Please don't glass with your scope.

[Matt L.]

You have a point Keg, just gotta give the Pitbulls a shot of mace and go on with your day.
And btw, gopher may have had a semi-valid point, but I don't kindly to be called a liar from behind a keyboard by a retard who doesn't know me.

[bessiedog]

I'll agree with Matt here Keg.

I apologize for coming off as Pittbull if I did.
But if you don't know me , don't know anyone who knows me, don't call me a liar. I did ask in my post if this was a troll.

I also teach alot of new hunters, as well as my 4 kids. If Gopher wants to make a point, how's about he not try insulting people by calling us liars. If that's his attitude, I hope he keeps his muzzle strapped tight this time.. Lol

I've never scoped anyone. Binos first and always. I've only started using a scope two years ago. Bambi is correct, it's a very good topic and should be discussed. I think alot of new hunters do a tonne of learning from posters here.

Again, sorry if I pit bulled , but I thought he bit first.

[chuck]

Gotta love the utility of these "we will change the world" threads.

I have more meaningful conversation with my three year old son.

[gopher]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

You have a point Keg, just gotta give the Pitbulls a shot of mace and go on with your day.
And btw, gopher may have had a semi-valid point, but I don't kindly to be called a liar from behind a keyboard by a retard who doesn't know me.

That's all most of you fourm clowns do is sit behind a computer...

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by gopher

That's all most of you fourm clowns do is sit behind a computer...

Uh, that's not painting with a wide briush, I think you threw the whole bucket at the forum, Gopher!!
Cat

[gopher]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I'll agree with Matt here Keg.

I apologize for coming off as Pittbull if I did.
But if you don't know me , don't know anyone who knows me, don't call me a liar. I did ask in my post if this was a troll.

I also teach alot of new hunters, as well as my 4 kids. If Gopher wants to make a point, how's about he not try insulting people by calling us liars. If that's his attitude, I hope he keeps his muzzle strapped tight this time.. Lol

I've never scoped anyone. Binos first and always. I've only started using a scope two years ago. Bambi is correct, it's a very good topic and should be discussed. I think alot of new hunters do a tonne of learning from posters here.

Again, sorry if I pit bulled , but I thought he bit first.

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LOL...why do you find it so hard to believe some folks have never glassed through their scope? Perhaps they had a good teacher off the bat. I can guarantee most if not all of the hunters I've mentored have never done it. No doubt lots of hunters have done it but to say everyone has is a bit naive on your part....xx xxx xxx xxxx xxxxxxxx.

Originally Posted by gopher

People are lazy even you...

I agree....not sure anyone is lazier than me. It's way easier for me to grab my binos and get a good look at something rather than shouldering my rifle. Perhaps you should keep your binos handy and you could break the habit. A good bino harness is the key....but even a strap around your neck would work.

[Hotwheels81]

My hunting rifle choices and optics would make "glassing" rather awkward
Besides... I have a nice little leupold green ring that has much better FOV and control then a rifle scope.

My uncle told me of an incident where he was being scoped by another hunter back in the early 80's around Adams lake BC... Apparently a blaze orange vest and toque whilst waving at the fellow from a few hundred yards did nothing to abate the situation but when he pointed his rifle at the gentlemen in return and worked the bolt... Well... Suddenly it musta dawned on the guy what he was doing was a baaad idea...

[Canuck Bob]

I'm sorry I brought this up. I feel strongly about talking gun and hunting safety as a legitimate activity for hunting and shooting forums. I'm not trying to change the world and am not a liar. However my desire to talk gun safety is an annoyance or causes much anger in many members. I have made the error of starting sensitive threads before and regretted it. I had no expectation of this one causing such an uproar and resulting in such nasty personal attacks. Posting here is becoming a minefield often resulting in this outcome.

[Robmcleod82]

I find the level of how delusional most of the people who posted in this thread are extremely concerning. I assume most of you always have your safety on as well.

[philthygeezer]

+1 to the stupidity explanation.

It is just plain stupid.

[gopher]

Originally Posted by philthygeezer

+1 to the stupidity explanation.

It is just plain stupid.

On TV a point is always made to show the safety being turned off. Most here appear to live in the reality of TV and internet forums with little actual outside experience.

The window lickers here may find it hard to believe I have firearms with the safety removed others that never came with one from the factory and one drilled with a screw so it can never be used.

[bessiedog]

Yup,

Your from under the bridge.

Big tough keyboard jockey. Probably got kicked out of cadets.
Camo, keyboard and moms basement.

Your a joke bud.

Done here.

It stuns me that some are trying to justify this illegal and stupid practice. Sure lots of people have done it in the past and hopefully have learned from their stupidity but to somehow try to justify it blows my mind. It might be safer to become a window licker

I'd have never guessed this was a sensitive thread Bob.....just seems like plain common sense to me.

[elnino54]

Originally Posted by gopher

Anyone that says they have nerer used there scope for glassing is a flat out liar.

Then I'm a liar too.....

[Ken T]

Having had many an opportunity to take x-ray pictures of those who have been on the receiving end of a firearm projectile....living and deceased.

I think that a couple of those were hunting "accidents" even.

It imparts a very healthy respect for what bullets and shot do to the person.

[Robmcleod82]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

It stuns me that some are trying to justify this illegal and stupid practice. Sure lots of people have done it in the past and hopefully have learned from their stupidity but to somehow try to justify it blows my mind. It might be safer to become a window licker

I'd have never guessed this was a sensitive thread Bob.....just seems like plain common sense to me.

Sheep hunter could you please show us in the criminal code of canada where it states that it is illegal to look through a rifle scope at a general area or object? I never read where gopher said he was pointing a rifle at people. You would think somebody who writes for a living would have good reading comprehension skills.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by Canuck Bob

I'm sorry I brought this up. I feel strongly about talking gun and hunting safety as a legitimate activity for hunting and shooting forums. I'm not trying to change the world and am not a liar. However my desire to talk gun safety is an annoyance or causes much anger in many members. I have made the error of starting sensitive threads before and regretted it. I had no expectation of this one causing such an uproar and resulting in such nasty personal attacks. Posting here is becoming a minefield often resulting in this outcome.

Don't be sorry. It's something that needs to be talked about. As for gopher, well, trolls will be trolls.

[Robmcleod82]

It sure is interesting how gopher gets suspended for speaking his mind yet others can threaten him on the thread and nothing happens. Threatening someone you dont know is one of the most stupid things you could do, didnt your dad tell you there will always be somebody bigger and tougher. I wish I lived in a world where my chit smelled like roses and I could beat up chuck norris

[missingtwo]

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

Sheep hunter could you please show us in the criminal code of canada where it states that it is illegal to look through a rifle scope at a general area or object? I never read where gopher said he was pointing a rifle at people. You would think somebody who writes for a living would have good reading comprehension skills.

I hafta agree with you Rob. I went back and read gophers posts, and nowhere did he say hpointed his gun at anyone.

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

It sure is interesting how gopher gets suspended for speaking his mind yet others can threaten him on the thread and nothing happens. Threatening someone you dont know is one of the most stupid things you could do, didnt your dad tell you there will always be somebody bigger and tougher. I wish I lived in a world where my chit smelled like roses and I could beat up chuck norris

Again, I agree. He was only stating his opinion, albeit disagreeable by most. It is still just an opinion. Oh yeah he called a few people liars , boo hoo.


Just to add. I may have scoped people in the past. But it would have been while looking/ aiming at game that happened to be in line with someone. If I noticed the person I lowered my gun right away. Since the red clothing rule changed it is much harder to see fellow hunters. I quit hunting that area for about 10 years as it was obviously overcrowded.

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

Sheep hunter could you please show us in the criminal code of canada where it states that it is illegal to look through a rifle scope at a general area or object? I never read where gopher said he was pointing a rifle at people. You would think somebody who writes for a living would have good reading comprehension skills.

Never said it was illegal to "look through a rifle scope at a general area or object" nor did I mention gopher's name in the post you quoted. And you want to talk about reading comprehension skills.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I'll agree with Matt here Keg.

I apologize for coming off as Pittbull if I did.
But if you don't know me , don't know anyone who knows me, don't call me a liar. I did ask in my post if this was a troll.

I also teach alot of new hunters, as well as my 4 kids. If Gopher wants to make a point, how's about he not try insulting people by calling us liars. If that's his attitude, I hope he keeps his muzzle strapped tight this time.. Lol

I've never scoped anyone. Binos first and always. I've only started using a scope two years ago. Bambi is correct, it's a very good topic and should be discussed. I think alot of new hunters do a tonne of learning from posters here.

Again, sorry if I pit bulled , but I thought he bit first.

Calling people a liar was not a good choice of words. And painting everyone with the same brush isn't wise either.

Even the PitBull comment was probably not the best choice of words, but a couple of posts did come on rather strong.

I am more concerned that name calling has become far too common.

Calling people who weren't blessed with the best mentors, cheap or idiots isn't a good way to get a good discussion going. And it's not going to win anyone over to the good side either.

But I do understand that for some people this subject brings up some very troubling memories. For those members it is understandable that they would not necessarily be in a diplomatic mood concerning the subject matter.

I wonder if perhaps it would be better if those people would be well advised to not respond until they can do so respectfully with regards to other members.

Keep in mind folks. Rule #1 still applies. and I quote.

Profanities, racism, flaming and other belittling remarks made towards other message board users will not be tolerated and will result in suspension of message board privileges.

If I were doing my job properly, I would have suspended a number of members, some of them long time members, in recent days.

Let's keep it civil folks.


And you are right bambi, it is a perfect time to discuss this subject. There is no better time in my opinion. And I also agree whole heartedly that it needs to be discussed. But in a civil manner.

Please keep in mind folks, even die hard poachers have changed their ways.
And often they are among the most adamant supporters of safe and ethical hunting.

Also remember that not everyone is a good communicator. Or a skilled debater.

Is there no room for them here?

[philthygeezer]

Talking about whether safeties are on or off or chambers are empty or not doesn't justify pointing a rifle at me to see whether I am a deer.

1. All guns are always loaded
2. Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

If you scope me, I will be more than livid. I will chew your ass out and may or may not report you to the RCMP for being criminally stupid.

[rem338win]

Now I do put this forward. I am hunting mule deer, and I see a buck moving between a stand of trees toward the coulee edge at say 300yds.
Well I am hunting the said sex and species so I drop and put the scope on the beasty. Notice he has it all, but is crabbed up on the fronts and is below the 165 mark I have set for myself. Pack up watch for any friends with my binos now and walk away.
Is that irresponsible use of a firearm and scope? Or prudent operation? I am in the later category.....

Originally Posted by rem338win

Now I do put this forward. I am hunting mule deer, and I see a buck moving between a stand of trees toward the coulee edge at say 300yds.
Well I am hunting the said sex and species so I drop and put the scope on the beasty. Notice he has it all, but is crabbed up on the fronts and is below the 165 mark I have set for myself. Pack up watch for any friends with my binos now and walk away.
Is that irresponsible use of a firearm and scope? Or prudent operation? I am in the later category.....

My rule of thumb is to never point a firearm and look through the scope at anything until I've indentified the target. In your scenario it sounds like you identified the target before pointing the firearm and just chose not to shoot.

The whole looking through a scope thing could be analyzed to death and thousands of scenarios offered up but at the end of the day, use common sense. Using a scope to glass areas or identify an unknown target is definitely not using common sense, IMHO...but sense doesn't seem to be as common as it once was.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Now I do put this forward. I am hunting mule deer, and I see a buck moving between a stand of trees toward the coulee edge at say 300yds.
Well I am hunting the said sex and species so I drop and put the scope on the beasty. Notice he has it all, but is crabbed up on the fronts and is below the 165 mark I have set for myself. Pack up watch for any friends with my binos now and walk away.
Is that irresponsible use of a firearm and scope? Or prudent operation? I am in the later category.....

I wouldn't be bothered by that. You are putting your scope on what you know to be a game animal that you are likely to shoot. The thread seems to be more about "glassing", which in this case I took to mean the general scanning we do to look for game, or checking something out, the identity of which we are not yet sure of. If the background is such that you can tell there isn't anyone in it, then I don't see the problem.

[philthygeezer]

3. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

You already knew it was a game animal.

This is basic stuff. People that point scoped rifles at things to identify them are breaking fundamental rules of safe firearms handling.

[Gman75]

Gotta love it when "young people" are pointed out first.

[score]

Yeah Gman75. MY 11 year old son sounds like me when I started with him when he was very young. It's getting on my nerves, him constantly reminding and asking me; safety on?, be careful, lets be safe, watch where we point these things, is your gun empty, etc.. No really it's a good thing and I'm a very proud. The unsafest guy I ever hunted with many years ago now was my age. After a few episodes and reminders, I have no idea if he is still even alive. Haven't seen him in years. He was a nice fella but scared the heck out of me. He did not grow up around guns and hunting. Sometimes we take stuff for granted and think gun safety is just an intelligent, common sense thing that's natural but it's not in many cases. It is something that is taught and drilled into you when young. Those that weren't taught sometimes struggle with it because it's not second nature to them no matter how old they are.