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Old 11-06-2012, 02:52 PM
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My stepson, now 23, has moderate reactions to nuts. When he was in elementary school there was no such thing of nut-free policy so we taught him how to protect himself. He learned how to stay away from nuts and explain to his friends so they would understand. Most importantly he wouldn't touch any food offered to him. We never felt that we were treated unfairly simply because our child had allergies.

Now my own son's best friend is allergic to everything under the sun. The boy comes to our house to play but his parents always make him bring his own snacks and dinner (if he stays). Our house is full of nuts and my son loves nuts. But that doesn't stop them from playing with each other. In our case, parents from both sides have the same understanding and that we trust our children will not do anything stupid to put anyone in harm's way.

A lot of times it's about compromise. We all want our children to stay healthy and happy. If we can all take a step forward to find a common ground things don't need to be black and white. In fact, it's common sense.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:24 PM
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When I was in elementary we had lunch from 12-1. In junior high 12:20-1. In high school 12:37-1. I barely ate in high school cause I had no time. Now that I'm at sait, I have an hour again and it's awesome
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:27 PM
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The school and the parents association has decided before we ever went to this school that allergy kids must take personal responsibility for themselves.
They are in an allergy free lunch area. But otherwise the other kids can eat peanut butter all they like.

You can't tell someone what to pack in their lunch, or the airline not to serve peanuts or the bus driver to not let anyone eat a snickers or Oh Henry on the bus, or that Tim Horton's or Starbucks that they can't have peanut based products so on and so forth.

However you can teach an allergy prone person to be cautious and take the necessary measures. They also said they found some kids won't eat anything but PB&J sandwiches, so some kids were refusing to eat which causes more of an issue.

So if you want to say we non allergy parents are selfish and self centered go for it. But at the end of the day its personal responsibility.


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Ahhh but yes they can my sons k to 4 schools bans all nut products, and a few other food items as well, if im dropping my kid off at school, they should have all policys in effect to proctect our children.. same as the smoking issues try having a smoke in a bar these days..dosent bother me (smokers or non) as ive been a non smoker all my life, however there are people with health issues, so no smoking in anywhere(or so it seems)..So i guess you have no problem people smoking around your kid as an example..
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:52 PM
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When I went to school I had to go home for lunch, and we only had an hour and had to walk up hill both way and in the snow!!!

Sorry just couldn't resist.....the temptation is too much....sometimes.


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Old 11-06-2012, 04:25 PM
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Kida will do diff things when away from their parent. At home 20 mins for a sandwhich might be the norm, at school 7 is probably just fine. Kids know they don't have control at school, but rule the roost when they get home. I've seen my son take 45 mins to eat, very painful to watch. At school, same 7-10 mins. Never brought food back home. They eat and then they chat with friends and stuff. Kids behave so differently when away from their parents
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:01 PM
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I have been dealing with my son on the eating. But like the OP said....... NOT ENOUGH TIME for slow eaters.
maybe, maybe not, mom. But I wouldn't stop paying my fees and expect other parents to pick up the slack. There's still someone there supervising your child because you choose to (or have to) be at work instead, and they need to be paid. What if the school said they aren't going to supervise "stinky" if you don't pay your fees, and he wanders off the grounds and is injured? You cool with that? I suspect not and that you would be suing them. C'mon mom. Just tell the boy to eat. Not their job to wipe his bum.

Oh, and on a completely different note, thanks for the red tights. They're great to dance in.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:54 AM
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Thanks for the reply, even tho some were derailed. There are about 15 kids in each grade, they eat lunch in the classroom with their teacher. We will be investigating a little more on the exact times of the bells.
They give the kids only 7 or 10 mins to eat and yet send a letter home on how imprtant it is for proper nutrition and healthy snacks. The communication in this school is terrible and we will be participating in the next PAC meeting i am sure.
We have two examples of communtiction, maybe arent a huge deal but I think we had the right to hear about it, and not from the 4yr old or the 6 yr old.
One day our 4yr old came home with bad gravel rash on his forehead, a cut lip, and dried blood in his nose. Well apparently he got pushed down the slide and face planted and had bleeding nose and the works, he came home a beat up and not a note or anything. Then about a week ago our 6yr old told us he had to miss 2 recess's because he had to sit in the principal's office, now if we at least knew that and why he was in there we could contribute to a possible solution, or not solution but at least a talking to.
Another thing we find odd is that the principal pretty much heads the PAC meetings and she does not have any kids, and is not even on the commity, just feels that she needs to be there I guess, which in my opinion is a bit of conflict of interest.

But, who knows, maybe we are just gonna be the complaining parents at the school lol. Its a pretty small school so who knows, but hey its not on a colony tho.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:55 AM
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Sounds like things have changed since my son left grade 4. When he was in grade 4 two years ago, they always had their lunch first, about 25 minutes, then they got herded outside to play. He's in grade 6 now in a different school and it's the same, eat first then play.

I don't know about other kids but for my son he's a slow eater. If he was given only 7 minutes to eat I guarantee he would come home with his full lunch every day! Good thing he got out before the change. Phew!
So your sayin your kid goes to school on the colony then? Cuz that is ONLY colony practice. lol some people!
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:09 AM
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Children with food allergies should absolutely be taught from a young age what they can and can't eat but in an environment where they have little control, allowing peanut products into a school is a recipe for disaster. Some of these kids with peanut allergies are highly sensitive that all it takes is the essence of peanut and they react. So if a kid is eating a PB&J sandwich at lunch, doesn't wash his hands and touches a door handle, desk, pencil or other object that a kid with an allergy is also exposed to, they can react from that from coming into contact with that object and the peanut oil left behind.

If kids refuse to eat anything other than PB&J then it's up to the parents to start making them eat something else or go hungry for a few lunch hours, they'll start eating what they're given.

Amazing that little kids need to not only be responsible for their food allergies but for the bad eating habits of other children as well.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:26 AM
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Children with food allergies should absolutely be taught from a young age what they can and can't eat but in an environment where they have little control, allowing peanut products into a school is a recipe for disaster. Some of these kids with peanut allergies are highly sensitive that all it takes is the essence of peanut and they react. So if a kid is eating a PB&J sandwich at lunch, doesn't wash his hands and touches a door handle, desk, pencil or other object that a kid with an allergy is also exposed to, they can react from that from coming into contact with that object and the peanut oil left behind.

If kids refuse to eat anything other than PB&J then it's up to the parents to start making them eat something else or go hungry for a few lunch hours, they'll start eating what they're given.

Amazing that little kids need to not only be responsible for their food allergies but for the bad eating habits of other children as well.
My son is a big peanut butter eater, but the wife found a product that is peanut free, and he likes it just as much. Seems there is always an alternative. We put a note in his back pack saying it is peanut free if anyone questions him
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:31 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is. Hurry up eat your lunch, go outside.
Kid doesn't hurry, they go hungry. Or they weren't hungry enough. 10 minutes is more than enough time to eat a sandwich, have a juice and gobble some carrots. Perhaps less talking and more eating?
My kids were slow, now they eat fast when they have to.

I think teachers have bigger concerns to worry about.

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Old 11-07-2012, 10:53 AM
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Our school K-3 eat then play and 4-6 play then eat. They don't have room for all 150 kids in the lunch room at the same time. What I don't like is my kid is one of the few that dress for the weather so in winter he's eating in ski pants and a parka. He does not mind at all, he scarfs down his lunch but he's happy.

You could talk to your PAC or better yet join them!! Our principle is at every meeting so i get to talk to her every month.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:37 AM
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My son is a big peanut butter eater, but the wife found a product that is peanut free, and he likes it just as much. Seems there is always an alternative. We put a note in his back pack saying it is peanut free if anyone questions him
I have read in the paper where some school have banned that too. Don't think they were Alberta though
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:45 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is. Hurry up eat your lunch, go outside.
Kid doesn't hurry, they go hungry. Or they weren't hungry enough. 10 minutes is more than enough time to eat a sandwich, have a juice and gobble some carrots. Perhaps less talking and more eating?
My kids were slow, now they eat fast when they have to.

I think teachers have bigger concerns to worry about.Jamie
I think that is a big part of it. Stuff like this, people just have to adapt to what is best for everyone.

Especially with the really young grades (k-3) I think a lot of parents would do things differently if they spent a little time in the class during lunch. Watching these teachers deal with the little kids, it's unbelievably hectic. These kids need so much help, with such little things. I could never do it.

I thin a lot of parents just don't get that, and send Mr Noodle with their kids and expect the teacher to make it. This stuff just creates an animosity.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:48 AM
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This is going to be long winded so be ready as I do not post very often unless I feel strongly about something as you can see over the past 4 years.

This year I was concerned with a couple of things that were changed with the school so I went to the first Parent Council meeting and as I promised my wife I would not join as new job, 4 kids, already volunteer and just all around busy. Well you can get what happened, "President" (sucker). Now that I am part of the group and helping understand the challenges with the school I understand a lot more.

We went to "Peanut Free" a few years ago because we have 1 child that is allergic for the 375 kids that are in the school. I am right now challenging the decision as I do not think it is fair to the rest of the school. Now keep in mind this child has to ingest the food to become sick and is 7 years old, so not as sever as some other kids. The school has made the decision that unless the package says peanut free than it is sent home. Cannot be home made as your house is not a peanut free zone so all snacks are prepackaged. The problem I have with that is in our small community they are some less fortunate families that cannot afford a whole bunch so homemade saves them money or else the kid may not get a full lunch. Being a parent I understand protecting your child but they should also be taught to know what to do when in public. This child plays hockey, they eat out, go grocery shopping and none of these are peanut free facilities but they are somehow safer.

The first item OP talked about was the time to eat. The theory is that kids eat better after exercise but you have to remember that this study came from the USA where they do not have to deal with the winters that we have. As we get farther into winter the kids are dressed up more to stay warm which means it takes longer to get undressed, thus cutting into lunch. Only time will tell if this is right. One thing that we have done is tell the kids that what ever comes home in their lunch is their snack after school. A couple of times eating a 1/2 a sandwich for a "snack" changed their tune rather quickly.

Always remember that the "Parent Council" does not make policy or change policy for the school but bring up questions or concerns from the parents. Join the parent council to become involved but remember that the council cannot make any changes as it is up the the school and in come cases the division. Principles have to be at the meetings as they are the people you need to hear from with respect to upcoming changes and for general information. The problem may lye in that the President is not controlling the meeting, as the Principle should be asked for input on questions/concerns but not run the meeting. The Principle should be given a brief time to update the council on what is happening in the school, but that is it and very tough to change as they are used to controlling the meeting.

Get involved and get organized and things will work but it is not a fast process and complaining to us does not solve anything. Just like in elections if you didn't vote then you cannot complain after someone has been elected.
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Cannot be home made as your house is not a peanut free zone so all snacks are prepackaged.
So sandwichs are or but cookies made on the same counter is not? that's bs
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This is going to be long winded so be ready as I do not post very often unless I feel strongly about something as you can see over the past 4 years.

This year I was concerned with a couple of things that were changed with the school so I went to the first Parent Council meeting and as I promised my wife I would not join as new job, 4 kids, already volunteer and just all around busy. Well you can get what happened, "President" (sucker). Now that I am part of the group and helping understand the challenges with the school I understand a lot more.

We went to "Peanut Free" a few years ago because we have 1 child that is allergic for the 375 kids that are in the school. I am right now challenging the decision as I do not think it is fair to the rest of the school. Now keep in mind this child has to ingest the food to become sick and is 7 years old, so not as sever as some other kids. The school has made the decision that unless the package says peanut free than it is sent home. Cannot be home made as your house is not a peanut free zone so all snacks are prepackaged. The problem I have with that is in our small community they are some less fortunate families that cannot afford a whole bunch so homemade saves them money or else the kid may not get a full lunch. Being a parent I understand protecting your child but they should also be taught to know what to do when in public. This child plays hockey, they eat out, go grocery shopping and none of these are peanut free facilities but they are somehow safer.

The first item OP talked about was the time to eat. The theory is that kids eat better after exercise but you have to remember that this study came from the USA where they do not have to deal with the winters that we have. As we get farther into winter the kids are dressed up more to stay warm which means it takes longer to get undressed, thus cutting into lunch. Only time will tell if this is right. One thing that we have done is tell the kids that what ever comes home in their lunch is their snack after school. A couple of times eating a 1/2 a sandwich for a "snack" changed their tune rather quickly.

Always remember that the "Parent Council" does not make policy or change policy for the school but bring up questions or concerns from the parents. Join the parent council to become involved but remember that the council cannot make any changes as it is up the the school and in come cases the division. Principles have to be at the meetings as they are the people you need to hear from with respect to upcoming changes and for general information. The problem may lye in that the President is not controlling the meeting, as the Principle should be asked for input on questions/concerns but not run the meeting. The Principle should be given a brief time to update the council on what is happening in the school, but that is it and very tough to change as they are used to controlling the meeting.

Get involved and get organized and things will work but it is not a fast process and complaining to us does not solve anything. Just like in elections if you didn't vote then you cannot complain after someone has been elected.
FYI: there is a huge push by Albert Learning right now towards healthier schools. My school has won some money for moving in this direction, and as I understand it, it is required. Some parents don't like it, but it was explained to me that this isn't optional.

Your principal may have a hard time explaining how banning homemade snacks meets Alberta Learning's direction?
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:06 PM
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So your sayin your kid goes to school on the colony then? Cuz that is ONLY colony practice. lol some people!
I am not sure what I said that warrants your sarcasm. Having a bad hair day?
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I am not sure what I said that warrants your sarcasm. Having a bad hair day?
lol no i wasnt being sarcastic towards you, I was being sarcastic about omega's post that a schedule suach as eating then playing is only common on a colony. lol sorry, wasnt out to offend you.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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lol no i wasnt being sarcastic towards you, I was being sarcastic about omega's post that a schedule suach as eating then playing is only common on a colony. lol sorry, wasnt out to offend you.
Oh never mind then. Since you quoted me before making that comment I thought it was directed at me. Anyway, good luck with the lunch thing.
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