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09-24-2008, 10:37 AM
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Unreal, a poor unfortunate situation, and it gets twisted around to blame the youth!!
The only thing I can add to this, is that the report I heard, on ctv news the other day, is that a 24 year old Hinton resident is charged with 2 counts in this case of a hunter getting shot in the leg, near Robb. Perty far from a 12 year old. Please folks, stick to the facts rather then assuming the facts.
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09-24-2008, 11:20 AM
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I think the whole 12 yr old issue is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. Some folks saw the reference and decided to jump on it.
The age of the hunter is not relevant (nor is whether they are from "the big city" or not.
There will be details that will shed more light on exactly what happened (maybe). But, the fact remains that there is no excuse for "accidentally" shooting someone. None.
These sort of incidents do more to discredit hunters than 90% of the other garbage that is written about us. The image is that if a hunter isn't smart or careful enough to differentiate between a person and a deer then everyone is at risk. I hear stories about people shooting at movement or shapes in the bush and it makes me . As I mentioned earlier, even buddy who is packing an antlered head out of the bush strapped to his pack while wearing full camo should feel absolutely safe doing so.
If not, we have a real problem.
If this case turns out to be anywhere near as straight forward as it appears right now (and, granted, it likely won't) the guy should never be able to own a firearm or, buy a tag again.
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09-24-2008, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bang Drop
That's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this site.Until you know the facts how about you stop slandering the person and saying he or she intended to murder another person.
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and this is the most common thing posted on this site....everyone is entitled to their opinion...simple as that...cant we disagree without name calling??...i was under the impression we are still to act our age even when behind a keyboard
if it was a blood relative shot all you "learn the facts" guys would want the shooter crucified too...without a trial
if it was a stray bullet that missed its mark (animal) and hit another hunter that couldnt be seen due to camo, ill eat my hat....seems i have a better chance if winning the 649 then doubling it at the casino LOL
theres my rant for the year
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09-24-2008, 11:48 AM
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Hello all! I just joined this site and I'm just getting into Hunting. I am a personal friend of the fellow that was shot in the knee with a 325 short mag.It happened near Robb Alberta. I don't know the fellow who shot him personally but I'd love to get my hands on this *****!
Apparently,there were three of them out hunting and my buddy got shot from aprox 30 yards away. (shaking head now...) The ****** that shot him was one of the three out there and he said "I though he was a racoon"?????????? I also heard he said he thought my buddy was a wolf????????????????????? This idiot has already been caught poaching and from what people have said he's a real knob. Is now anyways!!
How do you mistake a person for a "racoon"?? Do we even have racoons around the Hinton/Robb area?
He may have to have his leg amputated now and I heard he nearly died from blood loss. I have not spoke to him personally but I did talk to my other friend who went out there to join the group and this is what he told me.
Unbelivable...I want to hunt but I'll be hunting in some far away places where no one else will be!
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09-24-2008, 11:55 AM
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I hope the list of charges is extensive and that the judge is relentless.
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09-24-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MADKAWI
Hello all! I just joined this site and I'm just getting into Hunting. I am a personal friend of the fellow that was shot in the knee with a 325 short mag.It happened near Robb Alberta. I don't know the fellow who shot him personally but I'd love to get my hands on this *****!
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Well, very sorry to hear about your friend. If your explanation is acurate we sure have a character that shouldn't be carrying firearms. The important thing is that he's been arrested. Do you know of any updated and verified news articles you could link?
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09-24-2008, 12:13 PM
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this story just plain SUCKS
im very sorry to hear your friend may lose his leg
this wasnt a hunting accident...it shouldnt even be considered an accident
what kind of person shoots at a racoon while hunting elk.....its not like there would have been anything left of it with that rifle
not a hunter in my books....just another idiot in the bush with a rifle...pathetic
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09-24-2008, 12:17 PM
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I've heard they may be able to save his leg. Man I hope everything works out for him...either way he'll never be the same. Like someone else said,this stuff should never happen!!!
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09-24-2008, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T
if it was a blood relative shot all you "learn the facts" guys would want the shooter crucified too...without a trial
if it was a stray bullet that missed its mark (animal) and hit another hunter that couldnt be seen due to camo, ill eat my hat....seems i have a better chance if winning the 649 then doubling it at the casino LOL
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I didn't act like that at all when it happened to me. I am a "learn the facts first" type of guy.
In my case, would you like ketchup with that hat or mustard?
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09-24-2008, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2430M
Sad event .
I was shot in the chest in '89 by a .270. Everyone back then wanted the poor fellow lynched on the spot. I really didn't feel the blame was solely on him. After I went back to the spot he was at and had my buddy at the spot where I was dug in ,sort of speak, there was no way this hunter would have seen any sight of me at all. In hind sight I should have let him know I was there. I was set up, he was walking in, I could have signaled him to let him know someone else was there.
More information is needed in this case.
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So did he shoot at something ,miss and the bullet hit you? Or did he shoot at you directly thinking you were an animal?
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09-24-2008, 01:15 PM
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In my case, would you like ketchup with that hat or mustard?
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you sir are very admirable and i would bet a 100% stand up guy
mustard please
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09-24-2008, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by duffy4
Does anyome have a link to any FACTS on this event? Or at least a news report from one of our fine papers who always report the truth?
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Duf, if we based everything here on facts we would have no fun at all!
Hard to be a blowhard in the face of solid evidence. I should know. Foils me all the time LOL
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09-24-2008, 08:01 PM
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great letters great responce but orange or not young or old you have to be 100% sure of what your going to pull the trigger on ,,,,nuff said......there is no excuse ....lets get real here ..its not rocket science animals move ...blinds dont
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09-24-2008, 08:06 PM
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Thats how i feel too Jamie...But if i say anything on here someone will start defending the loser with the .325wsm..Put him in jail and do the Canadian people a favor...
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Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T
this story just plain SUCKS
im very sorry to hear your friend may lose his leg
this wasnt a hunting accident...it shouldnt even be considered an accident
what kind of person shoots at a racoon while hunting elk.....its not like there would have been anything left of it with that rifle
not a hunter in my books....just another idiot in the bush with a rifle...pathetic
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09-24-2008, 08:19 PM
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welcome to the internet eh??
MADKAWI please keep us posted on what you hear throught the grapevine....im sure we are all rootin for you friend to recover fully and keep his leg!!
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09-24-2008, 08:56 PM
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Yes I'll let you know when I hear more. Hey Jamie.. are you the fellow that rented quads off me last summer on may long weekend. If it was you you know a fellow here in Hinton named Kelly W.
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09-24-2008, 09:29 PM
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Last edited by Albertadiver; 09-25-2008 at 08:08 AM.
Reason: comment was in poor taste
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09-25-2008, 05:36 AM
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As I mentioned earlier, even buddy who is packing an antlered head out of the bush strapped to his pack while wearing full camo should feel absolutely safe doing so.
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That is just twisted .I have always carried a big orange garbage bag in my pack for that reason.
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09-25-2008, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MADKAWI
So did he shoot at something ,miss and the bullet hit you? Or did he shoot at you directly thinking you were an animal?
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He shot high at a whitetail doe downhill into a slough bottom where I was. He could not see as I had said n my earlier post. When I went back to the spot I don't think there was anyway he would have seen me, I should have let him know as I was set up and he was walking in. Grandpa always told me to take a mirror with me as it is a good way to get someone's attention without making a racket, I did not listen to that advice though.
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09-25-2008, 08:12 AM
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I agree with River Runner. No matter where you are it can happen. Just cause Alberta doesn't have mandatory orange doesn't mean that accidents are higher here. They happen everywhere. I remember when I was a kid and we were deer hunting and after lunch we went into town to get some supplies and at the gas station was an ambulance. We found out a few days later that a guy was shot by his brother. It is proven though that most accidents happen with hunters with 5yrs of hunting experience or less. This guy near Hinton may the 1st this year...won't be the last. Just be careful out there.
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09-25-2008, 08:23 AM
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Hey Jamie.. are you the fellow that rented quads off me last summer on may long weekend
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wasnt me
Last edited by Jamie Black R/T; 09-25-2008 at 01:49 PM.
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09-25-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T
you sir are very admirable and i would bet a 100% stand up guy
mustard please
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I missed this post this am *cheers*
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09-25-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2430M
He shot high at a whitetail doe downhill into a slough bottom where I was. He could not see as I had said n my earlier post. When I went back to the spot I don't think there was anyway he would have seen me, I should have let him know as I was set up and he was walking in. Grandpa always told me to take a mirror with me as it is a good way to get someone's attention without making a racket, I did not listen to that advice though.
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Ok so it was a legitament accident. So,how does it feel to be hit in the chest with a bullet? Yikes!
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09-25-2008, 01:08 PM
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wow thats sad how can you mistake a human for an animal!?!?!?! can some post a story?
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09-25-2008, 02:45 PM
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i REALLY THINK PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SPEAK UP. Although he did shoot someone which was by accident by the way. i'm sure many of you have had something happen that was an accident. so really i guess all of you should be punished for your accidents. people get in car accidents all the time maybe they shouldn't be allowed to drive. really how do you not see another vehicle???? he should have known what he was shooting at but he didn't intentionally shoot him. really the hunter also shouldn't have been laying down either. i'm sure the shooter is pretty shook up from what happened. he also has to live with the fact of what he did. If you have ever been out hunting and never had an accident of some kind happen i guess your perfect but i would really call bull****. so maybe you shouldn't be hunting either
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09-25-2008, 02:56 PM
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i REALLY THINK PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SPEAK UP. ... he should have known what he was shooting at but he didn't intentionally shoot him. really the hunter also shouldn't have been laying down either.
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You mention a few things that I haven't read yet. Is there a news article that you are referring to, or did you have first hand knowledge of the situation?
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09-25-2008, 02:56 PM
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he should have known what he was shooting at but he didn't intentionally shoot him. really the hunter also shouldn't have been laying down either
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Not his fault by the sounds of it. It sounds like someone did not know what they were shooting at. Especially if he thought it was a raccoon. Maybe he should have read the regulations and saw what the population of raccoon was around here. Your right he has to live with his idiotic mistake, good. Maybe he will learn from this. Imagine if everyone just up and shot at something not knowing fully what it was? guess it would be an accident though right. This guy should be charged and have his hunting license revoked and guns taken away. Like I want to be hunting in the bush with fools like him. I might look like a bear out there, but if I get shot then it was an accident right?
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09-25-2008, 03:15 PM
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where are you getting your info hunter33??
seems we have someone on the other side of the story now??
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09-25-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Albertadiver
You mention a few things that I haven't read yet. Is there a news article that you are referring to, or did you have first hand knowledge of the situation?
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i have first hand knowledge of the situatuion
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09-25-2008, 03:16 PM
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For the record...
If I ever "accidentally" shoot another hunter (or anyone out in the field for that matter) under any circumstances, I hereby state that I give permission to whomever it may concern to immediately revoke my firearms privileges. Heck, I'll even give up the privilege of hunting and fishing. Forever.
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