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Old 11-01-2013, 10:30 PM
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does anybody know anything about a major enviromental issue happening right now at obed mines near hinton not saying just asking
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:34 PM
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Berm on a tailings pond failed. Released a load of tailings into Apetowun Creek and the Athabasca River.
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Old 11-02-2013, 06:28 AM
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Great. These mines are terrible polluters. If it's not something like this it's their junk equipment continually blowing hydraulic lines and rad hoses and leaking thousands and thousands of liters of hydraulic oil or coolant into waterways.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:52 AM
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Doesn't involve oil, so it's not a big deal.

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Old 11-02-2013, 08:20 AM
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Apetown Creek.

Those poor little Athabows.

I hope they are laying low in the big river for the winter.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:56 AM
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I'll be surprised if this mess even makes the news. Even more surprised if charges are laid. Maybe Trout Unlimited should raise a stink.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:00 AM
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I think a phone call to the regional fisheries biologist in Edson is required.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:01 AM
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or Fisheries and Oceans

or The RCMP

or Dept of Environment

or ......


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Old 11-02-2013, 10:54 AM
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Alberta Energy Regulator responding to Obed Mountain Coal Mine Process Water Containment Failure
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Calgary, Alberta (Nov 01, 2013)…

The Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) has been notified by Obed Mountain Coal Ltd. that a pit containing coal process and surface water failed at approximately 6:30 PM on October 31, releasing a large quantity of the process water into the Athabasca River via two tributaries. The mine is located approximately 30 kilometres east of Hinton, Alberta.

There were no injuries as a result of this incident. All other appropriate agencies have been notified, including Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development. The AER is investigating this incident to determine if the company was in compliance with AER requirements.

The AER ensures the safe, efficient, orderly, and environmentally responsible development of hydrocarbon resources over their entire life cycle. This will include allocating and conserving water resources, managing public lands, and protecting the environment while providing economic benefits for all Albertans.






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The Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) is responding to a pit containment failure at the Obed Mountain Coal Mine, 30 km east of Hinton. The AER is investigating this incident to determine if the company was in compliance with AER requirements.
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For more information, please contact:

Darin Barter
Phone: 403-681-0946
E-mail: darin.barter@aer.ca
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:19 AM
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i knew something was up where there is smoke there usually is fire i m so much more excited about the proposed new coalspurmine just south of hinton deemed to be northamericas largest but don't worry they are so safe and environmentally consciencious
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:23 AM
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Yeah, instead of going after pipelines, the enviro's should take a look at the mines.
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:21 PM
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We drove over Plante creek yesterday afternoon. It was running at spring runoff levels and was so dark you couldn't see through the water for millimeter it was so thick with contamination, and had a definite odour to it. We carried on to the Athabasca and it was like chocolate milk, couldn't see through that water as well. Looked pretty bad to me.
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:47 PM
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And Plante Creek is toast too?
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:39 PM
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maybe this could serve as a wake up call.... there are more than a few 600 hectare ponds near the athabasca and its tributaries that are alot more toxic than coal process water.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:43 PM
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maybe this could serve as a wake up call.... there are more than a few 600 hectare ponds near the athabasca and its tributaries that are alot more toxic than coal process water.
Why don't you tell us where they are before making accusations.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:57 PM
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We drove over Plante creek yesterday afternoon. It was running at spring runoff levels and was so dark you couldn't see through the water for millimeter it was so thick with contamination, and had a definite odour to it. We carried on to the Athabasca and it was like chocolate milk, couldn't see through that water as well. Looked pretty bad to me.
any pictures?
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:43 PM
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any pictures?
I took one picture of the creek, should have taken a few more. Not sure if you can really get a good idea from the picture or not.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:56 AM
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I took one picture of the creek, should have taken a few more. Not sure if you can really get a good idea from the picture or not.
thanks i will try and go out today to see how it loos like ,now that snow probably prettied everything up
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:24 PM
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Any update on this from any local members?

Media is reporting this could be the second largest spill ever in North America. Company seems awful quiet about it. Where are the aerial pictures?
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:34 AM
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I work for a pulp mill that draws mill water from the Athabasca. All the company has said is it will stop putting out potable water until the mass moves past the mill. I guess there is some heavy sediment that won't separate out of the water, even with the heavy filtration the mill has. There was talk about maybe having to shut the mill down for a couple days, but that died quickly. I know of at least one other mill on the Athabasca that had to shut down from fear of plugging their intakes up.
There was a note that went out to the town of Athabasca that says don't drink the water for a couple days, and it's been all over the radio. People know about it up here, nobody seems to think it is dangerous.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:00 AM
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I think there's some pretty trusting people on here. 2 weeks in, and Environment hasn't released any data and the company hasn't even bothered to put out a press release.

Edmonton Journal seems to be the only outlet still tracking this:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Simon...015/story.html

EDMONTON - Mercury levels nine times higher than normal.

Levels of cancer-causing polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons four times the allowed standard for Canadian drinking water.

Those are the kinds of disturbing test results Dr. James Talbot, Alberta’s chief medical officer of health, is seeing as he monitors a huge plume of coal mine waste water currently oozing down the Athabasca River.

“Our overriding concern is the safety of the drinking water,” says Talbot. “We’re advising people, ‘Don’t draw water as the plume is going by.’ ”

On Oct. 31, an estimated one billion litres of waste water leaked out of a containment pit at the old Obed Mountain coal mine, some 30 kilometres east of Hinton. The mine, owned by Sherritt International, has been non-operational since 2012.

The sediment suspension is now more than 100 km long, and moving at a pace of just under five kilometres per hour. By Wednesday, it was 10 km past the town of Athabasca, on its inexorable way toward Wood Buffalo National Park. Alberta Environment says nothing can be done to clean it up, or stop its progress.

Environment Minister Diana McQueen says her department has been conducting regular tests of the water. But McQueen says the ministry intends to keep all the results confidential, at least for now.

“They will be made public after the investigation is over.”

Still, McQueen insists people shouldn’t worry.

“There are no public health concerns with the water,” says McQueen. “Albertans can feel very confident that we are on top of this situation. We have very strict environmental standards in this province, and they’re all being followed.”

Talbot, thank goodness, is less coy about the data.

The province’s chief public health official was notified of the spill on the afternoon of Friday, Nov 1.

While about the 30 per cent of the plume is made up of relatively inert solids, including coal particulates, and clay, shale and sandstone deposits, Talbot also asked Alberta Environment to test the waste water for heavy metals, including mercury, lead and selenium, as well as potential carcinogens, including benzene and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.

Talbot says water in the immediate vicinity of the plume had high levels of some of those pollutants.

The Canadian drinking water standard for benzo (a) pyrene, a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon and suspected carcinogen, which has been linked to elevated rates of skin cancers and reproductive disorders, is 0.01 micrograms per litre.

According to Talbot’s data, at peak, the river water near the plume had levels of benzo (a) pyrene that were approximately four times that of the allowable drinking water standard.

Mercury levels in the water near the plume, according to the data, were nine times higher than baseline measures for the river. However, Talbot stresses that as high as the mercury levels were, they were still within allowable limits for human consumption.

The good news, he says, is that water treatment plants were given enough notice by Alberta Health Services that none actually drew any of the polluted water from the river. As well, he says, as the mass of waste flows down river, the water behind has largely returned to normal.

For example, Talbot’s test results show that levels of benzo (a) pyrene in the water behind the plume are now at or below the Canadian drinking water standard.

Over the winter, Talbot says, the hydrocarbons in the river should dissipate or be broken down naturally by bacteria. He is more concerned about the long-term effects of heavy metals, such as mercury, which stay in the environment.

In the spring, Talbot says the province will need to test the mercury levels of fish in the Athabasca, to determine a safe level of human consumption.

Talbot’s straightforward analysis is both refreshing and reassuring. And it just underlines how clumsily the Environment Department, with its secrecy and evasion, has handled this file.

Alberta desperately needs to burnish its environmental reputation on the international stage. So why does our government persist in handling environmental accidents in this amateurish, defensive way?

If we want a social licence to develop our carbon resources, from coal to oilsands, we have to start managing environmental crises professionally and transparently, giving the public and the world accurate information, instead of offering empty, even false, assurances that everything is just fine.

With luck, the Athabasca River ecosystem will eventually recover from this murky mess. Alberta’s reputation for environmental stewardship? That may be a different story.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:02 AM
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This is going on in BC at the moment .....anti mining will be all over
Our dilemma ....


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Old 11-15-2013, 11:24 AM
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Question Obed Mine update

http://ecowatch.com/2013/11/08/canad...-slurry-spill/

Currently workers are working to "repair the breach" with heavy equipment. Hope the workers are being careful. Toxicity from Arsenic - Mercury - Chromium are within the mix. Have the workers been advised as to what it is they are actually working on and with?? Occupational Health and Safety may or may not be watching and testing.

Seems like another "shoot - shovel - shut-up" event that is effecting fish, wildlife - plants on its way to the Arctic Ocean.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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It's a good thing the provincial government hold both private citizens and big business to the same level of responsibility.
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:35 PM
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Red face Obed Mine spill has people asking questions.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/healt...034/story.html

Who is telling the Moose - Fish - Deer - Coyotes - Wolves - Otters - Beavers not to drink the water - also contained arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead and manganese and other flavoring.



https://www.facebook.com/KeepersOfTheAthabasca

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Old 11-23-2013, 11:45 AM
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25 responses? To one of the largest spills?? In a river that so many outdoors people use in some capacity?? Sad state of affairs AO forum.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:04 PM
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25 responses? To one of the largest spills?? In a river that so many outdoors people use in some capacity?? Sad state of affairs AO forum.
It's the same bunch who think it's no big deal that toxic lakes will be all over NE Alberta for oilsands trailing use.

Just yet and bring a conservation issue up and the same bunch will jump all over you.

Sad is right.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:47 PM
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Hey don't worry. They threw a few dozen straw bales in the creek to suck up all they contamination. Everything will be fine, just fine.

Sadly probably not a hell of a lot that can be done now other than hopefully prevent a similar incident in the future.
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It's the same bunch who think it's no big deal that toxic lakes will be all over NE Alberta for oilsands trailing use.

Just yet and bring a conservation issue up and the same bunch will jump all over you.

Sad is right.
As a direct result of capitalistic greed, Northern Alberta has become a “sacrifice zone”.

Alberta will soon join the ranks of places like Camden, New Jersey; Immokalee, Florida; and parts of West Virginia that still suffer while the corporations that plundered them thrive.

Come on boys, lets take it all before somebody else does - the new motto for the Alberta Conservationist

Sad and pathetic bunch of whining creeps we really are.
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As a direct result of capitalistic greed, Northern Alberta has become a “sacrifice zone”.

Alberta will soon join the ranks of places like Camden, New Jersey; Immokalee, Florida; and parts of West Virginia that still suffer while the corporations that plundered them thrive.

Come on boys, lets take it all before somebody else does - the new motto for the Alberta Conservationist

Sad and pathetic bunch of whining creeps we really are.
Nobody wants to look at anything that affects our good time, our grandkids can clean it up, pathetic bunch is right.
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