Is global warming all bad?

[nekred]

I have been thinking about his,

I know that global warming is the latest bogeyman and there is more and more discussion on whether the causation is anthropogenic or not

Lets just look at this for Canada.... would this be bad if say it meant that we had climates more like 1000 miles south....

Edmonton becomes Phoenix... would it be all bad?

I could think of more advantages than disadvantages... Heck maybe more superstar NHL'rs would move here FOR the weather not despite the weather!...

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by nekred

I have been thinking about his,

I know that global warming is the latest bogeyman and there is more and more discussion on whether the causation is anthropogenic or not

Lets just look at this for Canada.... would this be bad if say it meant that we had climates more like 1000 miles south....

Edmonton becomes Phoenix... would it be all bad?

I could think of more advantages than disadvantages... Heck maybe more superstar NHL'rs would move here FOR the weather not despite the weather!...

Phoenix has never gotten to the Cup final and I like lawn, so no. Anthopogenic. Like that. Gotta try to work that word into my next meeting.

[ice]

Originally Posted by nekred

I have been thinking about his,

I know that global warming is the latest bogeyman and there is more and more discussion on whether the causation is anthropogenic or not

Lets just look at this for Canada.... would this be bad if say it meant that we had climates more like 1000 miles south....

Edmonton becomes Phoenix... would it be all bad?

I could think of more advantages than disadvantages... Heck maybe more superstar NHL'rs would move here FOR the weather not despite the weather!...

It goes both ways sure our summers would be nice and really warm. But our winters would be blisteringly Antarctic cold

[Icatchfish]

most obvious problem would be the ice melt in the north pole and maybe some of the south pole. that will raise sea level lets say by 10 m which may sound insignificant but that would result in major losses in coastal cities.

human population is growing we need more farm land more resources and more habitat. so ya if you are willing to open up tho boarders and let in a half billion refugees then all should be okay.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by nekred

I have been thinking about his,

I know that global warming is the latest bogeyman and there is more and more discussion on whether the causation is anthropogenic or not

Lets just look at this for Canada.... would this be bad if say it meant that we had climates more like 1000 miles south....

Edmonton becomes Phoenix... would it be all bad?

I could think of more advantages than disadvantages... Heck maybe more superstar NHL'rs would move here FOR the weather not despite the weather!...

The cult of global warming is talking 1- 2 degrees. Unfortunately not Florida type weather for us.

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...ure-spm-5.html

What it would do is open our growing season on either end by potentially 2 weeks. 1 more month of growing would be huge.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Icatchfish

most obvious problem would be the ice melt in the north pole and maybe some of the south pole. that will raise sea level lets say by 10 m which may sound insignificant but that would result in major losses in coastal cities.

human population is growing we need more farm land more resources and more habitat. so ya if you are willing to open up tho boarders and let in a half billion refugees then all should be okay.

Arctic ocean ice has fluctuated greatly since explorers first hit the Arctic. We are on a low cycle now... and most likely swinging back now.

Antarctica on the other hand is interesting in it's own way. Ice has been growing since 1970.

A rise in 1 m to sea levels would have a big impact on some coastal cities and countries.

[sewerrat]

Originally Posted by Icatchfish

most obvious problem would be the ice melt in the north pole

How would Santa get here!!

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

How would Santa get here!!

Duh! His riendeer can fly ya know.LOL

[sewerrat]

Originally Posted by pseelk

Duh! His riendeer can fly ya know.LOL

Doesn't he need an icy runway to get going??

[tchammer]

Could we not look at it as some much needed population control?

[nekred]

Originally Posted by Icatchfish

most obvious problem would be the ice melt in the north pole and maybe some of the south pole. that will raise sea level lets say by 10 m which may sound insignificant but that would result in major losses in coastal cities.

human population is growing we need more farm land more resources and more habitat. so ya if you are willing to open up tho boarders and let in a half billion refugees then all should be okay.

MYTH... here is an experiment.... melt ice in a glass and let me know if the water level goes up, down or the same!....

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

Doesn't he need an icy runway to get going??

Oh ya,Forgot .Sorry.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by nekred

MYTH... here is an experiment.... melt ice in a glass and let me know if the water level goes up, down or the same!....

Nope.

Sit a chunk of ice on top of the rim of the glass of water, let it melt, and see if the water level in the glass rises. Remember, the vast majority of the ice at the south pole sits on land, above sea level, and the melt would run into the sea.

And calving glaciers in the north fall INTO the sea

And rivers and lakes are higher during spring run off (melting ice), no?

[nekred]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Nope.

Sit a chunk of ice on top of the rim of the glass of water, let it melt, and see if the water level in the glass rises. Remember, the vast majority of the ice at the south pole sits on land, above sea level, and the melt would run into the sea.

And calving glaciers in the north fall INTO the sea

And rivers and lakes are higher during spring run off (melting ice), no?

Yup...

.... north pole is not land, SOUTH POLe ice is actually increasing!.....

Now calving off of a floating glacier.... take an ice cube... cut the top half above the water off and dropp it in... does water level go up or down...

Net effect if all ice on earth instantly melted due to global warming also means the average air temperature increases... THUS increasing its capability to hold water vapour..... Where is majority of H20 on planet.... what phase... solid, liquid, or gas? .......

Overall net effect would be almost nil!.... contrary to what people think!....

where is most of the planets water? in the ocean which at its most is 4 miles deep or the 100 miles of atmosphere around the planet which in terms of volume is astronomical in comparison to the ocean...

[densa44]

Get enough warming, the prairies become a sea bed again, remember the oil is recycled sharks!

Guess what route the water used to fill up the prairie?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by nekred

Yup...

.... north pole is not land, SOUTH POLe ice is actually increasing!.....

Now calving off of a floating glacier.... take an ice cube... cut the top half above the water off and dropp it in... does water level go up or down...

Net effect if all ice on earth instantly melted due to global warming also means the average air temperature increases... THUS increasing its capability to hold water vapour..... Where is majority of H20 on planet.... what phase... solid, liquid, or gas? .......

Overall net effect would be almost nil!.... contrary to what people think!....

where is most of the planets water? in the ocean which at its most is 4 miles deep or the 100 miles of atmosphere around the planet which in terms of volume is astronomical in comparison to the ocean...

Just thinking out loud. Got to think on this one. If you do this experiment what happens. Take water... add to a 2 liter coke bottle and put it in the freezer. Does the water expand as it goes to ice or shrink.

Also warmer air does hold more water. Also what happens to water vapour in the air as it cools? Does it turn to snow and fall if cold enough. How did the last ice age happen.

Man... so many questions.

Your post will make people think.

[nekred]

ok here is how to look at it... water has qualities unlike other material where as it frezes it expands... thus taking up more volume....


Ice floating in water displaces the equal amount of water that it would if it was not frozen... however a little bit sticks above the surface due to it being less dense and having more volume but the weight of water displaced is the same whether it is a liquid or a solid many people don't get that....

Seal the glass.... heat it up and warm it and will the amount of water in the system change?, no but as water warms up it also expands it is most dense at 4 degrees C. So there is a syetm in a sealed glass... heat it up and while some water vaporizes thus lowing the level, the remaining water also expanded thus the level remains the same.... however the pressure increased and this pressure prevents more water from vaporizing.

Fundamental characteristics of water is what makes our planet so unique. There are many theories about global warming.... one is that the planet will become a desert, others it will become a tropical swamp....

Petrified forests above the arctic circle... is this evidence of past warming trends, or continental drift... both are based on theories.... There is evidence enough to make a theory but nothing to confirm the theory....

When reptiles were the dominant force on our planet...(also another theory) but lets just assume it is correct for a bit.... Would they survive in today's world around Drumheller, or Northern BC where the fossils were found.... I would think the climate had to be much warmer and the plants found along with these fossils indicate that the climate was much warmer... if not there then maybe somewhere else and the rocks have been relocated by continental drift!....

With the major cycles impacting life on earth... nitrogen cycle, water cycle, carbon cycle, oxygen cycle etc. they actually have built in checks and balances which are pretty amazing in their almost perfection and balance. Using the water cycle along with properties of water as earth heats up would there be more or less clouds or the same? If more cloud then the greenhouse effect could be argued... However less IR radiation from sun would reach ground but what IR is there could also not be lost to space due to cloud... again there is a balance....

The earth is such a complex system we cannot even predict tomorrows short term weather never mind being able to think of the ramifications of a longer term warming trend....

Even with multi-variable computer modeling you get such a variety of results upon the change of one assumption that it is hard to predict what the results would be...

Years ago people were concerned with methane production of cattle on the earth that it would create a runaway greenhouse effect....

Then when one releases ONE termite mound in Africa produces more methane than all the cattle in Alberta. Farting termites is actually a big deal...

In the end I will do my part to spur on global warming by burning as much charcoal as I can....

People worry about pollution, and all these things but it all is part of the earth and the earth will heal... even if our species is removed in the process. No matter how toxic we make the planet for ourselves... life will find a way to adapt... in comparison to insects we have only been on the planet for a blink in a millennium.

Another thing to think about is the fossil of the gigantic dragonfly about the size of a goose... That critter could not survive in todays world anywhere because there is not enough oxygen ratio to keep it alive.... How much oxygen do you think was produced by the forests/jungles that are now coal and bitumen?