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Old 02-28-2014, 03:42 PM
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Default CZ 858 now on prohibited list

Just read on another forum that post 2007 CZ 858s are the next one to be seized. Have not yet seen a screen shot of the FRT yet but this is huge. Their are thousands of 858s out there. Now quit sitting in front of your computer and get on the phone and writing letters.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:48 PM
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do not turn anything in. laws only work if the public complies
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:52 PM
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http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...=210750&page=4


It's actually already posted here by me........thanks though.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:55 PM
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It's actually already posted here by me........thanks though.
Thought the 858 deserved it own thread as it probably outsold the SA 500 to 1. And this is too super important to be buried on page 4. But if you want to take credit go ahead,
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:03 PM
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where would the proof stamp be located?
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:23 PM
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Non-restricted/Restricted... FRT 146385

- "CZ858 TACTICAL-2 P" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "P" denotes a factory installed composition wood buttstock.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" with a proof date of 2005 or 2006 is a semi-automatic version of the "VZ58".
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006 (see image # 3), OR
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006 (see image # 7).
- NOTE: Any "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" family of firearms externally resemble the Kalashnikov model AK47 assault rifle; however, these firearms are not a member of the Kalashnikov family of firearms nor a Kalashnikov variant.
- "VZ58" or "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) was developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the Czech army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety/selector lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composition wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, pistol grip, and fixed buttstock; blued metal finish.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" has a barrel length of 483mm, and a fixed buttstock.


MY NOTE, THE TACTICAL-2 2005/2006 are also Non-restricted or Restricted.


Newly Prohibited... FRT142363

- "CZ858 TACTICAL- 2 V" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "V" denotes a factory installed folding metal buttstock, the stock folds to the right.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm is derived from a full automatic firearm, the CZ VZ58, which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger and has had the original markings altered or obliterated and has been remarked as a "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- NOTE: There are semi-automatic versions of the CZ858 Tactical-2 V. This semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006, or
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" proofed 2007 or later can be converted to a full automatic firearm in a relatively short period of time with relative ease.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" family of firearms externally resemble the Kalashnikov model AK47 assault rifle; however, these firearms are not a member of the Kalashnikov family of firearms nor a Kalashnikov variant.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" is a variant or modified version of the CZ VZ58 or "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the Czech army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety/selector lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composite wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, and pistol grip; right side folding metal buttstock; sling swivels; blued metal finish.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" is available in numerous variations: a solid non-folding buttstock, and a folding buttstock with several differing barrel lengths.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" has a barrel length of 483mm and a side folding buttstock.



Also Non-Restricted/Restricted FRT128405

- "CZ858 TACTICAL-4 V" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "V" denotes a factory installed metal folding buttstock - stock folds to the right.
- "CZ858 Tactical-4 V" externally resembles the Kalishnikov model AK47 assault rifle, but is not a member of the Kalishnikov family of firearms.
- "CZ858 Tactical-4 V", with a proof date of 2005 or 2006 is a semi-automatic version of the "VZ58". This semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006, or
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006.
- NOTE: Any "CZ858 Tactical-4 V" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) was developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composite wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, and pistol grip; right side folding metal buttstock; sling swivels; blued metal finish.
- overall length with a 394mm barrel and the folding stock (folded) is 611mm.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:28 PM
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next is the sks cause its scary because it has a attached bayonet
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CZ-858 PROHIBITED

Confirmed CZ858 has been reclassified as Prohibited see FRT tables for details. There are 9394 imported at 700 dollars per unit that would be 6.5 million dollars of hard earned law abiding money.








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Old 02-28-2014, 05:02 PM
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What is going on with the RCMP? Do they not have PR people anymore?

I just sent off a letter to MP Blaney and PM Harper.
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Old 02-28-2014, 05:12 PM
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Jan 2012

There are no plans to broadly reclassify firearms and there are no plans to alter the process in which firearms are classified,” Toews’ spokesperson Julie Carmichael said in an email.



How quick things change
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Old 02-28-2014, 05:22 PM
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...uses-c-68.html

This adds another 9500 to the personally affected list, everyone needs to make their voices heard.
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do not turn anything in. laws only work if the public complies
exactly.
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Old 02-28-2014, 06:02 PM
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I can no longer procrastinate on renewing my NFA membership.
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kinda reminds of the nazi's
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They will come for your hunting rifles next, when they figure out how to make a case. I was irritated, now I am pizzed. Just joined the NFA and will contribute to any legal fund. The RCMP should not be allowed to dictate laws and change on a whim. Canadians need to stand up for whatever rights we still have.
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So does this mean only certain models of the CZ858 are now prohib? Or are they all going to be on the list?
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So does this mean only certain models of the CZ858 are now prohib? Or are they all going to be on the list?
so far but we know the rcmp are going to go after more semi rifles yours could be next
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This. Punk bastards.

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So does this mean only certain models of the CZ858 are now prohib? Or are they all going to be on the list?
Translation: Am I screwed or JUST the next guy?!


Reality check, screw one of us today.....we're all screwed tomorrow.
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so far but we know the rcmp are going to go after more semi rifles yours could be next
That's what I'm afraid of. I have a number of them.

And will they be sending out letters to those affected, or will they just come knock on my door with heavy boots?
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quote attributed to Adolf Hitler states: "To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens
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That's what I'm afraid of. I have a number of them.

And will they be sending out letters to those affected, or will they just come knock on my door with heavy boots?
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All while being dressed in brown shirts with arm bands.
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This might be a stupid question but are these firearms that the rcmp just switched to prohib easily converted to full-auto. Could that be their reasoning for this. & no I'm not sticking up for the rcmp. Just asking!
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Petition signed, letter to MP written and just about to join the NFA.

This is very troubling.

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This might be a stupid question but are these firearms that the rcmp just switched to prohib easily converted to full-auto. Could that be their reasoning for this. & no I'm not sticking up for the rcmp. Just asking!
I read that the early ones were just modified with a different bolt from the full auto versions. But I am not sure how one would be able to modify it to full auto without lots of machining or a new bolt assy. But then with some machining and know how, one could make anything do something it was not designed initially to do.
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