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04-12-2015, 11:27 AM
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Big Game Harvest survey
Does anybody know when the 2014 Harvest survey comes out? or is it?
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04-12-2015, 11:33 AM
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I was looking at that for the first time a couple weeks ago for elk, interesting, but accurate not so sure, I dont know what year it was from or when it comes out so im no help!
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06-08-2015, 02:35 PM
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When they decide what the numbers should be, to justify whatever tags they want to take away.
Or possibly it got shredded. To avoid revealing the above.
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06-08-2015, 05:06 PM
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2014 harvest
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06-08-2015, 05:34 PM
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That's the draw summary not the Hunter harvest😎
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06-08-2015, 05:36 PM
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Is there such a thing?
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06-08-2015, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Is there such a thing?
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X2 , never seen one published that I recall?????
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06-08-2015, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hal53
X2 , never seen one published that I recall?????
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Here are a few....
http://mywildalberta.com/Hunting/HuntersHarvest.aspx
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06-08-2015, 06:51 PM
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Oh good. Bad data for all to see.
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06-08-2015, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Oh good. Bad data for all to see.
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Did you lie?
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06-08-2015, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
Did you lie?
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No I did not. I had no idea it was there. But then again, why would it be. It's poor information.
Now, next time you call me a liar you had better have some good reason for it.
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06-08-2015, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
No I did not. I had no idea it was there. But then again, why would it be. It's poor information.
Now, next time you call me a liar you had better have some good reason for it.
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I believe walking buffalo was referring to the survey report fish and wildlife ask us to do. If everyone told the truth, the game harvest survey would be pretty useful and accurate
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06-08-2015, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbuck
I believe walking buffalo was referring to the survey report fish and wildlife ask us to do. If everyone told the truth, the game harvest survey would be pretty useful and accurate
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Welcome to reality. It isn't and in its current format never will be. I don't care how much we wish it so.
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06-08-2015, 07:35 PM
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The survey needs a comments section and a spot to collect data from hunters who pass on animals. We ca help be their eyes and ears, but the questions asked on the survey can give misleading results. I'm a fan of it btw. It just needs some adjusting
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06-08-2015, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
No I did not. I had no idea it was there. But then again, why would it be. It's poor information.
Now, next time you call me a liar you had better have some good reason for it.
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Want to try again Chuck? Lol....
Why is it poor info? Too many liars? Something else?
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06-08-2015, 08:35 PM
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Want to try again Chuck? Lol....
Why is it poor info? Too many liars? Something else? |
Let me ask you this. Would you base any business decision on data collected in like manner?
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06-08-2015, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Let me ask you this. Would you base any business decision on data collected in like manner?
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Exactly , when some one says your only getting half the story, when its the game harvest survey it's more like one quater of the story.
Do you lie on the survey? What kind if question is that ? If you choose to do the survey what do you have to gain by lying? The problem is it leaves out to much info, they will not/ do not tell us how the info on the survey is interpreted . It's is wishy washy info at best, at worst zones are heading to draw on little to no footing.
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06-09-2015, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Let me ask you this. Would you base any business decision on data collected in like manner?
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Well?
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06-09-2015, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Well?
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Your assumption is that a significant decision is made based on the results. Can you provide information that confirms this is the case? It is a data stream of information, not the complete answer.
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06-09-2015, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Morpheus32
Your assumption is that a significant decision is made based on the results. Can you provide information that confirms this is the case? It is a data stream of information, not the complete answer.
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I'm not assuming anything. I'm telling you that the data is questionable. I can tell you how to fix the problem but it would require effort. So out would come the claws and cartoons.
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06-09-2015, 12:57 PM
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I have no idea if the results obtained from the online surveys are accurate, but I took part in conducting surveys many years ago, when our club was paid for every survey that we completed. These were phone surveys, and I had to be very careful to ask if the person that I was talking to actually used his tag on an animal. Many people were quick to tell me that they got a moose or an elk, but a good percentage admitted that someone else had actually killed and tagged the animal, when I asked again if they had actually used their tag. When I compared my results to the results that other club members obtained, their results usually had much higher success rates, because they weren't as specific as to how they asked their questions.
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06-09-2015, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
I have no idea if the results obtained from the online surveys are accurate, but I took part in conducting surveys many years ago, when our club was paid for every survey that we completed. These were phone surveys, and I had to be very careful to ask if the person that I was talking to actually used his tag on an animal. Many people were quick to tell me that they got a moose or an elk, but a good percentage admitted that someone else had actually killed and tagged the animal, when I asked again if they had actually used their tag. When I compared my results to the results that other club members obtained, their results usually had much higher success rates, because they weren't as specific as to how they asked their questions.
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So what exactly are we trying to gather? From your post if the hunter wasn't the one that pulled the trigger then the animal didn't really die? That makes things a bit skewed right there no?
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06-09-2015, 01:30 PM
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So what exactly are we trying to gather? From your post if the hunter wasn't the one that pulled the trigger then the animal didn't really die? That makes things a bit skewed right there no?
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Judging by my experiences in conducting the phone surveys, it appeared that n some cases, multiple people were likely reporting a kill for the same animal. In other words, fewer animals were actually killed, than were reported. People seem to like to tell others that they got a moose, even if they were not the one that actually killed and tagged it.
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06-09-2015, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
Judging by my experiences in conducting the phone surveys, it appeared that n some cases, multiple people were likely reporting a kill for the same animal. In other words, fewer animals were actually killed, than were reported. People seem to like to tell others that they got a moose, even if they were not the one that actually killed and tagged it.
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Gotcha. Makes sense.
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06-09-2015, 01:59 PM
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Well?
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
Why is it poor info? Too many liars? Something else?
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Well?
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06-09-2015, 02:25 PM
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What is the purpose of the survey? I assume so we know what is dying. No? How is this survey conducted? Email. No? Now how many hunters do you know that don't communicate by email? I know several. Now, gather that information where less than 20 tags are issued and a 25% swing in tag numbers are possible. Two non participants can have an enormous affect on that information. No?
Now, would you base any business decision based on information gathered like the harvest survey is?
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