RCMP move to ban semi-automatic rifles

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

None of which changes the fact that Russia and Germany signed a pact in 1939. The communists and fascists agreed to a deal that lasted until Germany invaded Russia in 1941.

That wouldn't be Munich Agreement? Oh, no, wait, that was Great Britain in 1935... Anyhow, what's your point? Communists didn't fight Nazi Germany?

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by ak-71

That wouldn't be Munich Agreement? Oh, no, wait, that was Great Britain in 1935... Anyhow, what's your point? Communists didn't fight Nazi Germany?

Google Molotov Ribbentrop pact. Moscow agreed to keep out of war with Germany and in exchange get a chunk of the British empire.

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Anti gun????? And the rape comment dressing ugly is fairly short sighted.

Don't need to dress ugly,

but

maybe don't walk alone at night in high crime areas, go to bars with friends, have a plan to get home, be confident in how you walk (head up, looking around)

If the best idea you can come up with is to dress ugly to avoid rape then I suggest you refraining from providing women with safety advice.

Projecting much??

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

Google Molotov Ribbentrop pact. Moscow agreed to keep out of war with Germany and in exchange get a chunk of the British empire.

Many wealthy Western businessmen had interests in the Nazis, the Bushes being one. Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's father, was a major financier, and there is some evidence that he was one of the founders of Auschwitz. World bankers financed both sides of the war. The Soviet Union was the only real threat to their financial empires.

[Pioneer2]

The Nazi's loved Henry Ford with his anti-Semitic book "The International Jew":The World's Foremost Problem.He was awarded the highest honor given to a foreigner...the Grand Cross of the German Eagle.Harold

[White Devil]

we need to stay on track gentlemen.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by BRU375

So, I almost threw up in my coffee this morning. CBC reports that the RCMP is moving agressively under the Criminal Code to ban semi-automatic firearms. They said that they requested the update to the criminal code under the Conservatives they were ignored but the Liberals have confirmed they will go ahead with the update immediately "while undergoing consultations" which means they will arrange to have at least some, (probably all) semi-automatic rifle owners turn in their rifles in or be found in contravention of the criminal code.

I dont think anyone on here will be surprised by this move. next they will probably go after hunting and fishing rights.

From the CBC this morning

The number of military-style firearms that can be temporarily jury-rigged to become automatic weapons has increased "dramatically" in Canada over the last decade — and so has the public-safety risk.

That's the stark conclusion of an internal RCMP laboratory report on improvised methods for upgrading semi-automatic weapons, and for illegally altering magazine clips to allow for rapid continuous fire.


The lab report notes that Criminal Code regulations designed to thwart makeshift upgrades may not apply to newer generations of weapons, creating a legal void.

"The restricted and prohibited firearm provisions of Criminal Code regulations were last updated in 1995, and there are presently numerous models of military and paramilitary firearms on the Canadian market which are outside the scope of the Criminal Code regulations, many being non-restricted in classification," says the 15-page report.

"The Canadian introduction of new types of military and paramilitary firearms not mentioned in the Criminal Code regulations, nearly all with large capacity magazines sizes, started circa 2005 and has accelerated since."

"The public safety threat posed by improvised conversion to full automatic fire has correspondingly increased."


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson alerted then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year to potential legislative gaps in Criminal Code gun provisions. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

A heavily censored version of the internal report, dated November 2014, was obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

CBC News has previously reported on the RCMP's concerns about improvised assault-weapon upgrades, an issue raised by RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson directly with then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year. But the detailed Mountie lab work documenting the issue was released only in the last week.

Last summer, Blaney rejected legislative changes to close any regulatory gap, saying the current law was sufficient. The Conservative government also passed Bill C-42 giving cabinet — not the RCMP — the final say about which weapons to restrict or ban, after the Mounties were slapped down for trying to get a popular semi-automatic withdrawn from Canada.

Some rifles could be banned

But the new Liberal government has promised to "put decision-making about weapons restrictions back into the hands of police, not politicians," raising the possibility the RCMP may yet be able to get some semi-automatics taken off the market.

A Mountie spokesman, Sgt. Harold Pfleiderer, would not say whether the RCMP is pressing the new Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale to act on the issue. "The RCMP does not comment on the advice it provides to the minister," he said in an email.

A spokesman for Goodale reiterated the Liberal government's commitment to get "assault weapons off our streets," but said consultations are needed first.

'We will work ... to move forward on this commitment.'
–Spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale
"We will work with all levels of government, our stakeholders and the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to move forward on this commitment," said Scott Bardsley.

Among the Liberals' election commitments is to broaden membership of the firearms committee to include representatives of women's groups and public-health advocates. Critics have said the committee is stacked with gun proponents.

The RCMP lab tested 11 models of rifles and one pistol, including the weapon used by Marc Lepine in the 1989 Montreal massacre and the semi-automatic used by Justin Bourque in the 2014 Mountie shootings in Moncton, N.B.

The testing was prompted by Bourque's statement to police that he had considered using an improvised technique to turn his rifle into an automatic weapon.

The report says more than 1,200 test shots were fired between July and November 2014, using a technique that is "widely reported on the internet complete with installation and fitting instructions." The name of the technique is blacked out in the documents, but has been known in gun circles for decades, and information about at least one other technique also circulates.

New firearms on market

The Criminal Code regulations in the 1990s effectively protected against any upgrades "by taking the firearms most practical for conversion to full automatic fire off the civilian market," says the document, authored by Murray A. Smith, manager with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

"Thus, the public safety risk posed by improvised conversion techniques was largely negated and rendered moot, and not requiring much police attention."

But the proliferation of new firearms since 2005 has increased the risk to the public, augmented by the availability of new magazines.

Ralph Goodale
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale will be reviewing Canada's gun legislation to restore decision-making about restricted weapons to the RCMP rather than leaving it to cabinet. (CBC)

"Large capacity magazines are widely available for the military and paramilitary firearms, and although limited in capacity by law and generally reduced to five shots by a pin or similar modification, the original capacity is typically readily restorable."

"The materials required for improvised full automatic fire are ordinary everyday products."

Upgrading any weapon to fully automatic status is clearly prohibited by Section 102(1) of the Criminal Code, with prison terms of up to 10 years. But Smith's report raises questions about the current effectiveness of 20-year-old Criminal Code regulations as they apply to newer weapons shown in lab tests to be "amenable to the improvised full automatic fire technique."

I troll.

This thread serves no purpose, the first post was the bait, and we all have contributed to a fairly good discussion.

I know I am not the problem, but what I participate in is an easy target.


And I will never be the advocate because I like camp fires.

[Unregistered user]

This video is most pertinent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOCBTfGCPrk

[purgatory.sv]

No easy answer, I know several individuals who are intelligent, and they also question the agenda.

[hogie]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Though these events which you have now mentioned several times are disturbing and avoidable, I highly doubt that criminals are focusing their efforts to obtain firearms from police inventories.

But if you would used tax payer dollars and provide education to the 4-5 involved Members then that is your PLAN! What effect that may have on the overall criminal use of firearms might be questionable, but so be it.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...338970592.html

Another example.

Probably happens a lot more than what we are told.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by hogie

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...338970592.html

Another example.

Probably happens a lot more than what we are told.

Exactly, some people are so worried about firearms being stolen from citizens, yet firearms are being stolen from the police. The big difference seems to be that the police are willing to spare no expense to find their stolen firearms.

[brendan's dad]

I already agreed that the incidents involving police were disturbing.

But compared to this report and the 2013 Alberta Stats, is it really where the major enforcement efforts should be made? And no one is blaming the victims of these theft unless improper storage was an issue. But like they say "a pound of prevention...."

Even the Calgary Shooting Center employee agrees that people should take extra precautions to make themselves less of a target, it's not rocket science.

CALGARY METRO

Gun thefts in Alberta have jumped by more than 1,400% in five years: ALERT

Law-enforcement officials say they've seen a dramatic spike in the number of gun thefts across the province.


The Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT) recorded a total of 154 "incidents of break and enter to steal a firearm" in 2013, according to data provided to Metro, compared to only 10 such cases in 2008.


“That number has steadily climbed every single year,” said Mike Tucker, a spokesman with ALERT.


He said every break and enter on record might not have been primarily aimed at stealing a firearm, but there are instances where guns were specifically targeted.


The fact these firearms are ending up in the hands of criminals is problematic, Tucker said.


“Who knows the mindset of the person who has those,” he said. “Whether or not they intend to use it to commit additional offences, or whether or not it was sold … with that weapon in the hands of a criminal element, it is a significant concern to law enforcement.”


The trend is highlighted just days after Calgary police Chief Rick Hanson said illegal firearms and handguns are one of the biggest challenges facing law-enforcement agencies in Canada.


Tucker explained law enforcement in Alberta are putting an extra focus on firearms, noting ALERT is working with agencies like the Calgary Police Service and the RCMP — including its National Weapons Enforcement Support Team — to try and determine where guns seized during drug busts or other crimes are coming from.



Theft victim advises other gun owners to be cautious



Brandon MacQueen, who had four firearms and 30 to 40 replica guns stolen from his home in November 2014, believes he was targeted specifically by thieves looking for weapons.


Now, he’s advising other gun enthusiasts to be cautious about what kind of information they release to their friends and the general public.


“A lot of it is just: Be careful,” he said. “Be careful who you tell that you have firearms ... it could be as easy as the wrong person sees you walking in and out of your house, two or three times, with a gun case.”


MacQueen is an employee at the Calgary Shooting Centre, which itself was targeted in October 2012 by thieves who made of with dozens of firearms.


The number of guns seized by ALERT has also increased, Tucker said, with 150 guns being taken during the past nine months on record, compared to 149 in the entire previous year.


Norman Hamilton, manager of the Calgary Shooting Centre, said while the average gun owner may not be aware of the trend, he thinks it could cause people to think harder about how they store their firearms.


“Once those types of information gets to the general community, I would assume that they’re going to take … extra precautions with how they’re transporting them (and) how they’re storing them,” he said.


“Because no one wants to be in that situation.”


However, he added, most gun owners go “above and beyond” to ensure their firearms are stored securely.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

I already agreed that the incidents involving police were disturbing.

But compared to this report and the 2013 Alberta Stats, is it really where the major enforcement efforts should be made? And no one is blaming the victims of these theft unless improper storage was an issue. But like they say "a pound of prevention...."

Even the Calgary Shooting Center employee agrees that people should take extra precautions to make themselves less of a target, it's not rocket science.

CALGARY METRO

Gun thefts in Alberta have jumped by more than 1,400% in five years: ALERT

Law-enforcement officials say they've seen a dramatic spike in the number of gun thefts across the province.


The Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT) recorded a total of 154 "incidents of break and enter to steal a firearm" in 2013, according to data provided to Metro, compared to only 10 such cases in 2008.


“That number has steadily climbed every single year,” said Mike Tucker, a spokesman with ALERT.


He said every break and enter on record might not have been primarily aimed at stealing a firearm, but there are instances where guns were specifically targeted.


The fact these firearms are ending up in the hands of criminals is problematic, Tucker said.


“Who knows the mindset of the person who has those,” he said. “Whether or not they intend to use it to commit additional offences, or whether or not it was sold … with that weapon in the hands of a criminal element, it is a significant concern to law enforcement.”


The trend is highlighted just days after Calgary police Chief Rick Hanson said illegal firearms and handguns are one of the biggest challenges facing law-enforcement agencies in Canada.


Tucker explained law enforcement in Alberta are putting an extra focus on firearms, noting ALERT is working with agencies like the Calgary Police Service and the RCMP — including its National Weapons Enforcement Support Team — to try and determine where guns seized during drug busts or other crimes are coming from.



Theft victim advises other gun owners to be cautious



Brandon MacQueen, who had four firearms and 30 to 40 replica guns stolen from his home in November 2014, believes he was targeted specifically by thieves looking for weapons.


Now, he’s advising other gun enthusiasts to be cautious about what kind of information they release to their friends and the general public.


“A lot of it is just: Be careful,” he said. “Be careful who you tell that you have firearms ... it could be as easy as the wrong person sees you walking in and out of your house, two or three times, with a gun case.”


MacQueen is an employee at the Calgary Shooting Centre, which itself was targeted in October 2012 by thieves who made of with dozens of firearms.


The number of guns seized by ALERT has also increased, Tucker said, with 150 guns being taken during the past nine months on record, compared to 149 in the entire previous year.


Norman Hamilton, manager of the Calgary Shooting Centre, said while the average gun owner may not be aware of the trend, he thinks it could cause people to think harder about how they store their firearms.


“Once those types of information gets to the general community, I would assume that they’re going to take … extra precautions with how they’re transporting them (and) how they’re storing them,” he said.


“Because no one wants to be in that situation.”


However, he added, most gun owners go “above and beyond” to ensure their firearms are stored securely.

If you want to talk stats, compare the numer of firearm thefts from citizens in Calgary to the number of people in Calgary. Then compare the number of thefts of firearms from police officers in Calgary, to the number of police officers in Calgary. The stats may be interesting.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Law-enforcement officials say they've seen a dramatic spike in the number of gun thefts across the province.


The Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT) recorded a total of 154 "incidents of break and enter to steal a firearm" in 2013, according to data provided to Metro, compared to only 10 such cases in 2008.

It would be interesting to see how guns were stolen at each incident - Weren't there a fair amount of guns stolen from sporting goods stores a few years back?

One sizable store theft could make a huge increase in the numbers of guns stolen - which would account for a "spike".

[BigRedJeep]

What happens when the good law abiding citizens are stripped of all rifles. Only guns around are owned by criminals, gangs, RCMP, and the CAF?

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

It would be interesting to see how guns were stolen at each incident - Weren't there a fair amount of guns stolen from sporting goods stores a few years back?

One sizable store theft could make a huge increase in the numbers of guns stolen - which would account for a "spike".

The number guns stolen was not published. The comparison was for break and enters

10 reported in 2008

Vs

154 reported in 2013

Crazy part is, in 2008 the LGR was in effect so not reporting a lost/stolen non restricted firearm could have caused an owner a lot of grief.

In 2013 if an owner opted not to call in theft for fear of storage charges, there would be no paper trail linking the firearm back to the owner. So the likely that b&e's went unreported in 2013 would be higher than in 2008.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

The number guns stolen was not published. The comparison was for break and enters

10 reported in 2008

Vs

154 reported in 2013

Crazy part is, in 2008 the LGR was in effect so not reporting a lost/stolen non restricted firearm could have caused an owner a lot of grief.

In 2013 if an owner opted not to call in theft for fear of storage charges, there would be no paper trail linking the firearm back to the owner. So the likely that b&e's went unreported in 2013 would be higher than in 2008.

Another possibility is that some firearms were not registered in 2008, so the owners were afraid to report them as being stolen. A person would have to be pretty naive to believe that all firearms were legally registered.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Another possibility is that some firearms were not registered in 2008, so the owners were afraid to report them as being stolen. A person would have to be pretty naive to believe that all firearms were legally registered.

Definitely a possibility.

[Bushleague]

Originally Posted by Kim473

Registry is gone but do you really think that all the information it had was distroyed ? I don't think so.

Lotta guns changed hands since the registry... I know I sold all of mine.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by Bushleague

Lotta guns changed hands since the registry... I know I sold all of mine.

Can't blame you. Especially if you still had some that were going to become restricted. They'd be worthless because if you get caught using it, you stand a good chance of loosing all your firearms. No use hanging on to something that's possibly going to become useless and worthless.

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by raab

I've been in the middle of a pack of wolves. They didn't bother with me. For backcountry I'd feel a hell of a lot safer with a Shotgun that holds 5 rounds then a rifle holding 15-30. Id also like to see an open carry pemit available for those in the back country.

Until someone figures that 5 is too many. 4 is enough for a mass shooting. So what? Down to double barrel or single shot? Now consider that in high stress shootings the number of rounds that you need for stoppage or misses.

Would someone's elderly grandmother be able to handle your shotgun? Or would something with lighter recoil and the ability to shoot quickly fit the bill?

Originally Posted by raab

That's why you count, you know when he has to reload. Also how many mags is the perp gonna be able to buy? And carry? Let's say he buys 4 normal mags that gives him 20 shots. Buy 4 high capacity mags and he has 60-120.

How many times in a mass shooting has an unarmed citizen stopped the shooter?? Heck in Montreal the scum bag told all the guys to leave, and they filed right past him and did nothing.

Originally Posted by raab

I agree to an extent that guns aren't the issue. Mental health is the biggest issue surrounding gun violence. I think we should be focusing more on that aspect and getting people the help they need. But in saying that there are some things the average citizen shouldn't have. IMO if you want to shoot prohibited weapons join the CAF or your local reserves.

Originally Posted by raab

Where did I say people can't have guns. I'm sorry but I see no reason for people to have fully automatic weapons in this country. The whole your either for or against guns argument is stupid. I don't think people need fully automatic weapons so they can play commando on the weekends. You want to do that then join the reserves and have the fully automatic rifles stored at a facility some ******* perp can't break into.

Yeah, store them at a central location. That always works out well. Other than defeating the purpose of law abiding citizens having access.

Originally Posted by raab

I haven't decided about open carry in the city. Simply because I've seen way to many stabbings and there are a ton of resources so response times usually aren't an issue.

I do support the open carry in rural communities and the wilderness and would like to see that at some point.

Really? When's the last time you've seen a knife fight ended with a cell phone?

**Hands wife cell phone as deranged man with machete approaches in underground parking. "Take him out, Babe."**

Originally Posted by raab

I understand the laws, which is why I don't mind them looking at guns that might be made fully automatic that have magazines that can be easily modified to hold more rounds. I'm not fully in support of this, just think some people are jumping to conclusions as usual on this board. We have no facts to go on right now, besides that they may make some guns prohibited. Does anyone have a list of the guns they're even looking at?

You think that guns are easily modified to auto, yet the same guy can't manufacture a few magazines?? Holy fark! You need electro-shock therapy!

Craa-azzyyy!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Until someone figures that 5 is too many. 4 is enough for a mass shooting. So what? Down to double barrel or single shot? Now consider that in high stress shootings the number of rounds that you need for stoppage or misses.

Would someone's elderly grandmother be able to handle your shotgun? Or would something with lighter recoil and the ability to shoot quickly fit the bill?



How many times in a mass shooting has an unarmed citizen stopped the shooter?? Heck in Montreal the scum bag told all the guys to leave, and they filed right past him and did nothing.







Yeah, store them at a central location. That always works out well. Other than defeating the purpose of law abiding citizens having access.



Really? When's the last time you've seen a knife fight ended with a cell phone?

**Hands wife cell phone as deranged man with machete approaches in underground parking. "Take him out, Babe."**



You think that guns are easily modified to auto, yet the same guy can't manufacture a few magazines?? Holy fark! You need electro-shock therapy!

Craa-azzyyy!

Don't waste your time trying to have a common sense debate, a common sense debate just isn't possible unless both parties have some common sense.

Many of us have wasted a great deal of time responding, but we have come to the realization, that it is just a waste of our time.

[bat119]

Thanks to Hollywood fully automatics are highly overrated, if you actually fired one you would find a semi was much easier to control. Converting a semi to full auto is not as easy as putting a paper clip in the trigger as CBC would lead you to believe.
Anybody that has the required skills for such a conversion would be able to make a functioning gun from materials available.

I really believe the registry was not for public safety, just a tool used to inventory citizens guns then come up with a reason they shouldn't be allowed to own them one by one.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by BRU375

So, I almost threw up in my coffee this morning. CBC reports that the RCMP is moving agressively under the Criminal Code to ban semi-automatic firearms. They said that they requested the update to the criminal code under the Conservatives they were ignored but the Liberals have confirmed they will go ahead with the update immediately "while undergoing consultations" which means they will arrange to have at least some, (probably all) semi-automatic rifle owners turn in their rifles in or be found in contravention of the criminal code.
I dont think anyone on here will be surprised by this move. next they will probably go after hunting and fishing rights.

From the CBC this morning

The number of military-style firearms that can be temporarily jury-rigged to become automatic weapons has increased "dramatically" in Canada over the last decade — and so has the public-safety risk.

That's the stark conclusion of an internal RCMP laboratory report on improvised methods for upgrading semi-automatic weapons, and for illegally altering magazine clips to allow for rapid continuous fire.


The lab report notes that Criminal Code regulations designed to thwart makeshift upgrades may not apply to newer generations of weapons, creating a legal void.

"The restricted and prohibited firearm provisions of Criminal Code regulations were last updated in 1995, and there are presently numerous models of military and paramilitary firearms on the Canadian market which are outside the scope of the Criminal Code regulations, many being non-restricted in classification," says the 15-page report.

"The Canadian introduction of new types of military and paramilitary firearms not mentioned in the Criminal Code regulations, nearly all with large capacity magazines sizes, started circa 2005 and has accelerated since."

"The public safety threat posed by improvised conversion to full automatic fire has correspondingly increased."


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson alerted then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year to potential legislative gaps in Criminal Code gun provisions. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

A heavily censored version of the internal report, dated November 2014, was obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

CBC News has previously reported on the RCMP's concerns about improvised assault-weapon upgrades, an issue raised by RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson directly with then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year. But the detailed Mountie lab work documenting the issue was released only in the last week.

Last summer, Blaney rejected legislative changes to close any regulatory gap, saying the current law was sufficient. The Conservative government also passed Bill C-42 giving cabinet — not the RCMP — the final say about which weapons to restrict or ban, after the Mounties were slapped down for trying to get a popular semi-automatic withdrawn from Canada.

Some rifles could be banned

But the new Liberal government has promised to "put decision-making about weapons restrictions back into the hands of police, not politicians," raising the possibility the RCMP may yet be able to get some semi-automatics taken off the market.

A Mountie spokesman, Sgt. Harold Pfleiderer, would not say whether the RCMP is pressing the new Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale to act on the issue. "The RCMP does not comment on the advice it provides to the minister," he said in an email.

A spokesman for Goodale reiterated the Liberal government's commitment to get "assault weapons off our streets," but said consultations are needed first.

'We will work ... to move forward on this commitment.'
–Spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale
"We will work with all levels of government, our stakeholders and the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to move forward on this commitment," said Scott Bardsley.

Among the Liberals' election commitments is to broaden membership of the firearms committee to include representatives of women's groups and public-health advocates. Critics have said the committee is stacked with gun proponents.

The RCMP lab tested 11 models of rifles and one pistol, including the weapon used by Marc Lepine in the 1989 Montreal massacre and the semi-automatic used by Justin Bourque in the 2014 Mountie shootings in Moncton, N.B.

The testing was prompted by Bourque's statement to police that he had considered using an improvised technique to turn his rifle into an automatic weapon.

The report says more than 1,200 test shots were fired between July and November 2014, using a technique that is "widely reported on the internet complete with installation and fitting instructions." The name of the technique is blacked out in the documents, but has been known in gun circles for decades, and information about at least one other technique also circulates.

New firearms on market

The Criminal Code regulations in the 1990s effectively protected against any upgrades "by taking the firearms most practical for conversion to full automatic fire off the civilian market," says the document, authored by Murray A. Smith, manager with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

"Thus, the public safety risk posed by improvised conversion techniques was largely negated and rendered moot, and not requiring much police attention."

But the proliferation of new firearms since 2005 has increased the risk to the public, augmented by the availability of new magazines.

Ralph Goodale
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale will be reviewing Canada's gun legislation to restore decision-making about restricted weapons to the RCMP rather than leaving it to cabinet. (CBC)

"Large capacity magazines are widely available for the military and paramilitary firearms, and although limited in capacity by law and generally reduced to five shots by a pin or similar modification, the original capacity is typically readily restorable."

"The materials required for improvised full automatic fire are ordinary everyday products."

Upgrading any weapon to fully automatic status is clearly prohibited by Section 102(1) of the Criminal Code, with prison terms of up to 10 years. But Smith's report raises questions about the current effectiveness of 20-year-old Criminal Code regulations as they apply to newer weapons shown in lab tests to be "amenable to the improvised full automatic fire technique."

Lol troll much.
Well one thing is obvious sone of you guys REALLY like your guns. A lot. This looks like they're targeting guns that can be converted to full auto and have pinned clips. Fair enough.

The question is do you really need to have a semi auto to hunt?

The answer is no. Plain and simple.

[elkhunter11]

Well one thing is obvious sone of you guys REALLY like your guns. A lot. This looks like they're targeting guns that can be converted to full auto and have pinned clips. Fair enough.

Some very gullible people might actually believe this nonsense, but the truth is that many firearms that are already restricted can't be easily converted to full automatic. The AR-15 is a classic example, it looks like an M-16, but it would require a great deal of modifications, that are far beyond the average citizen, to convert them to full auto.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Some very gullible people might actually believe this nonsense, but the truth is that many firearms that are already restricted can't be easily converted to full automatic. The AR-15 is a classic example, it looks like an M-16, but it would require a great deal of modifications, that are far beyond the average citizen, to convert them to full auto.

Very true. There's also a guy on this forum that owns one lol

To be fair though he also has a 30-06 sniper rifle Parker Hale maybe? That he shoots like a wizard if he went postal that's the gun is be worried about.

[Unregistered user]

First, who the hell are you to tell us what we do or do not need for hunting or anything else for that matter? We don't just buy guns for hunting either not that it's any of your business.

[elkhunter11]

The question is do you really need to have a semi auto to hunt?

In the case of waterfowl shotguns, there is a very good reason to choose a semi auto, that being recoil. Now that we are stuck with non toxic shot, the shot size needs to be increased, so more shot is required to maintain the pattern density, and the velocity has been increased as well, to make the ammunition more effective on waterfowl. Most people are now shooting 3" steel loads, and some are shooting 3-1/2" loads. The result is that recoil has also increased , and a gas operated shotgun provides much less felt recoil than other actions. So there is a good justification for semi auto shotguns, even though we should not have to justify the firearms that we choose to hunt with.

[TiiwaboN8V]

I may want a semi auto one day, I use levers and bolts for hunting, but a semi auto on a trapline would be awesome, My hunting fishing, trapping and gathering rights are inherent, but in todays age, so are the tools used for those traditional practices, we don't use bows and arrows no more, we use fire arms, I don't think they can ake away our guns one day, without serious compensation and some pretty kick asz bows. I guess people just need to buy buy buy. Shoulda bought the SKS at 20% off when I had the chance lol.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

In the case of waterfowl shotguns, there is a very good reason to choose a semi auto, that being recoil. Now that we are stuck with non toxic shot, the shot size needs to be increased, so more shot is required to maintain the pattern density, and the velocity has been increased as well, to make the ammunition more effective on waterfowl. Most people are now shooting 3" steel loads, and some are shooting 3-1/2" loads. The result is that recoil has also increased , and a gas operated shotgun provides much less felt recoil than other actions. So there is a good justification for semi auto shotguns, even though we should not have to justify the firearms that we choose to hunt with.

This right here is a great point. A good semi auto shotgun is a joy to shoot. My father in law has a Bennelli and its a dream.