Fentanyl

[Arachnodisiac]

Wha...?

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Or having a stroke over a big mac...
Oh wait, is that a feminist gender now?

As far as the drug use goes... so much of what leads to drug abuse are risk factors in children and youth. It's so sad.

For some crazy reason, I decided to go back to school to get my EMT to work ambulance in addition to fire. I did my work experience practicum on a reserve where the fentanyl problem was one of the first and worst locales. I saw a lot of drug abuse. A LOT. The poverty is crazy sad, and what some kids live with is even sadder. It's no wonder why so many turn to drugs when that's literally all there is all around them, from the time they are born.

However, I did see a lot of encouraging signs. A woman with a fracture that required surgery that refused meds entirely because of all the addiction she has seen. And I would say at least a third of the adults I treated that live on the reserve are employed full time either on or off the reserve. I guess my point is that it is getting better, and every year the graduation rate improves, and so do a lot of other indexes.

An ounce of prevention is truly worth a pound of cure, and you can see some of the programs working at the grassroots level, if you look for it. So, while it is disturbing and as a society we don't always know what the right answer is, sometimes solutions are a long-term mosaic.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Wha...?

Arach, you're back.

T'was a joke...

[Arachnodisiac]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Arach, you're back.

T'was a joke...

Probably not for long! It's hard to be a lesbian journalist with some centre-leaning principles around these parts without losing one's mind.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Probably not for long! It's hard to be a lesbian journalist with some centre-leaning principles around these parts without losing one's mind.

Well, if nothing else, you can get some content to write about

[Arachnodisiac]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Well, if nothing else, you can get some content to write about

TOTALLY.

Actually, most people are awesome. I've just been way busy lately. But I'm going to upload some snake pics soon!

[nekred]

fentanyl is a scourge and addiction is a plague.

I have seen people that would never be an addict become dependent on this chemical and it is horrible.

Many people go down the path of opiate addiction because of a pain-killer prescription that runs amok. many people addicted to fentanyl are not doing it to get high but to avoid the horrible withdrawal from opiates.

Humans are motivated by two things, pleasure and avoidance of pain.... opiates often provides both motivations. For some people nothing but opiates work.... thus why often methadone is required to aid in opiate dependency reduction because the withdrawal is so bad....

Today everything gets laced with fentanyl to create repeat customers...

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by nekred

fentanyl is a scourge and addiction is a plague.

I have seen people that would never be an addict become dependent on this chemical and it is horrible.

Many people go down the path of opiate addiction because of a pain-killer prescription that runs amok. many people addicted to fentanyl are not doing it to get high but to avoid the horrible withdrawal from opiates.

Humans are motivated by two things, pleasure and avoidance of pain.... opiates often provides both motivations. For some people nothing but opiates work.... thus why often methadone is required to aid in opiate dependency reduction because the withdrawal is so bad....

Today everything gets laced with fentanyl to create repeat customers...

For goodness sakes would people stop passing old wives tales and media BS around. Everything ISN'T laced with fentanyl. Outside of finding actual fentanyl, the contamination rate in other drugs in very, very, very low. You can't just walk into taking such an opiate. If a dealer was to "lace" his dope with fentanyl, the ambulances would go off the hook and they'd lose customers. Half the propaganda spouted is mystifying the actual truths about fentanyl which is damn scary.

Where are people getting told this stuff?!

The other stuff you said is right though. Carry on.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Probably not for long! It's hard to be a lesbian journalist with some centre-leaning principles around these parts without losing one's mind.

Center leaning would be nice. Most of the folk around here have become leftist pinkos that wouldn't know what a fact is if it sat on their nose.

The other half are so right, they forgot what their talking about.

Upload the herp pics......

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Center leaning would be nice. Most of the folk around here have become leftist pinkos that wouldn't know what a fact is if it sat on their nose.

The other half are so right, they forgot what their talking about.

Upload the herp pics......

The amount of gov propoganda about drug use only exceeds the amount of bull crap they roll out about speeding. The gov has a vested interest in demonizing all aspects of drugs, includings the unfortunate folks that use them.

You cannot believe even ten percent of what you read about drugs use, drug users and the world situation on drugs.

If the general public does not get wise to the lies all the governments and special interst groups are perpetuating then nothing will get better . Drug uusers need treatment and options, punishment will NEVER solve the problem.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Dean2

The amount of gov propoganda about drug use only exceeds the amount of bull crap they roll out about speeding. The gov has a vested interest in demonizing all aspects of drugs, includings the unfortunate folks that use them.

You cannot believe even ten percent of what you read about drugs use, drug users and the world situation on drugs.

If the general public does not get wise to the lies all the governments and special interst groups are perpetuating then nothing will get better . Drug uusers need treatment and options, punishment will NEVER solve the problem.

Drug users have lots of treatment and options in this country and this province. Watching them waste it is heart breaking and even more heart breaking is watching pandering fools chase them and beg them to try again the 4th and 5th time on tax payer dime when the user has flipped everyone off and made the choice already.

Yes their life sucks, no one wants to be an addict. But they do have options and when there are options then they CHOOSE to stay that way. I've been opiate sick, and it sucked balls, and I was on them as prescribed. Thing is, I knew the alternative of staying on them would be much, much worse.

In today's criminal system users hardly if ever get a penalty for using or possessing. They gets limp wristed penalty for the crime they commit to support their habit. That's a choice as well.

Compassion has its limits, because eventually it's not about helping them, but about how it makes YOU feel.

[barsik]

Originally Posted by Dean2

The amount of gov propoganda about drug use only exceeds the amount of bull crap they roll out about speeding. The gov has a vested interest in demonizing all aspects of drugs, includings the unfortunate folks that use them.

You cannot believe even ten percent of what you read about drugs use, drug users and the world situation on drugs.

If the general public does not get wise to the lies all the governments and special interst groups are perpetuating then nothing will get better . Drug uusers need treatment and options, punishment will NEVER solve the problem.

drugs are hard to resist for a certain percentage of the population which are susceptible to a wonder cure. most of them suffer from depression, and they cannot find a way out, because science and medicine cannot find a viable cure. fentanyl is replacing other drugs and alcohol, which was the drug of choice of previous generations. fentanyl self medication has an occasional unfortunate sudden fatal side effect which doesn't seem to deter the addict, unlike alcohol, which took a lifetime to kill its user.

[bonedogg]

Had an extended family member that was acting a bit strange, through some investigative techniques with friends of theirs it became evident that this was the drug of choice. With two children in the household my wife confronted her with tell me what is up and she said nothing. When child protective services were called and came by to do a welfare check, they too asked her if she was taking fentynaol and she said hell no I have two kids! When they asked for a hair sample five minutes later, she said I have a problem. She was taking 10 plus pills daily and now most of the family is upset with my wife cause they took the kids to grandma's house!!!!! What ever happened to giving out children a decent start in life? I believe detox included crapping themselves for days! They deserve it in my opinion, please think about the children! Crazy to see the medical world prescribe drugs like this on a regular basis.

[rem338win]

Your family needs to grow a set. The only really innocent victims in this life are children and those that are child like. They are entirely dependent on what is given to them and who is caring for them.

It's a good thing for them your wife was watching at all.

[nekred]

Originally Posted by rem338win

For goodness sakes would people stop passing old wives tales and media BS around. Everything ISN'T laced with fentanyl. Outside of finding actual fentanyl, the contamination rate in other drugs in very, very, very low. You can't just walk into taking such an opiate. If a dealer was to "lace" his dope with fentanyl, the ambulances would go off the hook and they'd lose customers. Half the propaganda spouted is mystifying the actual truths about fentanyl which is damn scary.

Where are people getting told this stuff?!

The other stuff you said is right though. Carry on.

other drugs are often laced with a trace of fentanyl to increase the addictive properties, this is not speculation but a fact....

[nekred]

The life of an addict while many can claim it is self inflicted and that is true but it is not like anyone sets out saying I am going to become a drug addict.

There are many debates how it starts whether it is doing milder drugs, or legal drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc....Or prescribed by a physician because of pain etc.....or a moment of stupidity etc.

Maybe even the same way people who should not marry each other end up getting married....

In the end, when they are an addict they need to hit a point where the choice to get better is more appealing than the status quo... But then they start the detox/withdrawal and it is really tough, actually it can even be deadly thus why other treatment options involving methadone are often used. or the pressure/pain/pleasure to get high or at least halt the withdrawal becomes more appealing than the tough road to recovery and then back to the first step.

Often it talks many courses of treatment for addicts to get better, just like how one dose of chemotherapy is often not enough for cancer. In fact many ways an addiction is like cancer, it can be put in remission but never actually goes away.

I am a hard person who does not accept excuses but one has to remember that no one sets out saying I am going to become a drug addict and totally screw up my life and the lives of others...Even if they choose to stay an addict one can be there to help them out of it but they have to grab on to the rope...and not be an enabler and be manipulated but be there to be helpful as long as they do their part.... and if they don't then you have to be willing to let go of the rope

[R3illy]

Ok rem we get you don't approve of drug treatment and drug users. You can move along now.... While your at it why don't you email your mla demanding all treatment centres close... And that money stop getting wasted.

You seem to have all the answers

[blacknorthernjk]

Originally Posted by nekred

other drugs are often laced with a trace of fentanyl to increase the addictive properties, this is not speculation but a fact....

I'm going to ask for a reference to this fact you speak of, any credible publicated sources?

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by blacknorthernjk

I'm going to ask for a reference to this fact you speak of, any credible publicated sources?

Call the local police stations and ask them, let them fill you in. This isn't a joke. It's not uncommon for weed to be laced with other drugs - meth is a another big one. All of a sudden, you have something harmless that can be turned into a life long addiction - dealers need clientèle.

i've known quite a few kids that were messed up for days after smoking a joint.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by blacknorthernjk

I'm going to ask for a reference to this fact you speak of, any credible publicated sources?

Lacing weed by spraying it with other drugs has been common for decades .
PCP used to be used quite s bit
Cat

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by nekred

other drugs are often laced with a trace of fentanyl to increase the addictive properties, this is not speculation but a fact....

Originally Posted by blacknorthernjk

I'm going to ask for a reference to this fact you speak of, any credible publicated sources?

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Call the local police stations and ask them, let them fill you in. This isn't a joke. It's not uncommon for weed to be laced with other drugs - meth is a another big one. All of a sudden, you have something harmless that can be turned into a life long addiction - dealers need clientèle.

i've known quite a few kids that were messed up for days after smoking a joint.

PCP, Molly and meth is a fact, but I happen to know quite a few policemen, and have even attended a professionals conference on fentanyl on its effects and concerns on a macro level.

No one is seeing weed being laced with fentanyl here, and it hasn't been an issue to date. Unlikely that it will be, same as there was no issue with heroin being used to lace weed. Weird hey?

nek, you might want to talk to a pro about addictive properties of drugs. If you want to hook someone, use meth. The gross majority of fentanyl users start out with other opiates and move up when they can't get the same effect anymore.

[R3illy]

Lacing any drug with anything is common. When I partied when I was younger we would test mdma that would come back with tons of other crap.

Just look to rave safe in bc who offers free drug testing on all drugs for large raves. Nothing they get is ever pure. Everything is laced and mixed with other stuff. I'll try and dig up some videos I've seen from the bc raves.

The raves even end up with drugs that they've never seen and don't know what they are. When that happens they confiscate them from the potential user.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by R3illy

Ok rem we get you don't approve of drug treatment and drug users. You can move along now.... While your at it why don't you email your mla demanding all treatment centres close... And that money stop getting wasted.

You seem to have all the answers

You're an ignorant peach who likes to put words in ones mouth. Never said any of that. You know how to get answers? Get involved and investigate. Instead of parroting out diatribe and misguided emotionalism.

I like treatment centers and support people using them. I support places like the Dream Center and Teen Challenge personally with time and money. I know people personally that have changed and overcome the addiction and learned how to battle it everyday and win.

What those people and the people who need change don't need is the public believing BS and what the public doesn't need to to be fed BS.

Feel free to move along if your looking for easy answers. There isn't one for this subject.

[R3illy]

A few posts up rem you said treatment centres are a waste of money and not needed... Now they are good? I'm confused.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by R3illy

Lacing any drug with anything is common. When I partied when I was younger we would test mdma that would come back with tons of other crap.

Just look to rave safe in bc who offers free drug testing on all drugs for large raves. Nothing they get is ever pure. Everything is laced and mixed with other stuff. I'll try and dig up some videos I've seen from the bc raves.

The raves even end up with drugs that they've never seen and don't know what they are. When that happens they confiscate them from the potential user.

Awesome, I am slow clapping for you. Did the rave pay for the drug testing? MDMA, Molly, ecstasy, whatever they call it where youre from has always been a dogs breakfast of what the hell is in it. No news there.

And you think opiates haven't been added to it before?

I'm talking about the idea of adding it to weed, and so were others.

People mix opiates with speed (cocaine, crack, meth, ritalin, etc) on the tail end to make it easier to come down. They are all dangerous.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by R3illy

A few posts up rem you said treatment centres are a waste of money and not needed... Now they are good? I'm confused.

I re-read what I wrote again and it still says what I meant. I said there is lots of treatment available already. And it is heartbreaking to watch people abuse it.

Where does that say I think its a waste of money? Oh, the part where we pay to beg people to not want to be drug addicts? If that confuses you, uh, well, sorry?

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Dean2

The amount of gov propoganda about drug use only exceeds the amount of bull crap they roll out about speeding. The gov has a vested interest in demonizing all aspects of drugs, includings the unfortunate folks that use them.

You cannot believe even ten percent of what you read about drugs use, drug users and the world situation on drugs.

If the general public does not get wise to the lies all the governments and special interst groups are perpetuating then nothing will get better . Drug uusers need treatment and options, punishment will NEVER solve the problem.

My drug experience has absolutely nothing to do with the Government, and many people I know are in the same boat.
Cat

[rem338win]

Um, I don't want to start any rumors, but can cowboys be drug dealers?

Originally Posted by catnthehat

My drug experience has absolutely nothing to do with the Government, and many people I know are in the same boat.
Cat

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Um, I don't want to start any rumors, but can cowboys be drug dealers?

Cat

[Deo101]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I re-read what I wrote again and it still says what I meant. I said there is lots of treatment available already. And it is heartbreaking to watch people abuse it.

Where does that say I think its a waste of money? Oh, the part where we pay to beg people to not want to be drug addicts? If that confuses you, uh, well, sorry?

Can you post some government funded treatment centers that you don't have to be admitted to by a doctor? Not trying to call BS but we're having a hell of a time finding somewhere for a loved one that isn't 30k.

[Clgy_Dave2.0]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

It's not uncommon for weed to be laced with other drugs - meth is a another big one. All of a sudden, you have something harmless that can be turned into a life long addiction - dealers need clientèle.

i've known quite a few kids that were messed up for days after smoking a joint.

Such a pile of crap. Yes, because every drug dealer wants to sell weed for $200 an ounce and spike with a product that costs $2400 an ounce.

Pure and utter Bullsh|t and urban lore. The only one's who've "tripped out" on weed are idiots that want to impress their friends with what a bad trip they went on and little rebel church boys who wanted to brag about their trip down the devil's path..."someone must've spiked it".

Years ago you could find angel dust in joints but you paid 10 times the price for it.

Since the early 70's I've been a user of weed and never, NEVER have I come across "spiked" weed. Yet every person I know who looks down their noses at pot smokers always has these grandiose stories about "spiked weed".