Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Fishing Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-10-2017, 11:46 AM
Garlicmarshmellow's Avatar
Garlicmarshmellow Garlicmarshmellow is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57
Default 2 stroke vs 4 stroke

I was at the sportsman show last night look to see if there were any deals on aluminum tiller boats, seems no one is interested in selling tiller models there anyways, but I was talking to a sales man and asked about what he thought about evinrude etecs vs Merc engines. He started talking about how 2 strokes are going to outlawed in AB and BC soon and some lakes in ab, in Kananaskis, don't allow them right now. Checked with fish and wildlife and they didn't know anything about that either. I know the etecs run as clean or cleaner than some 4 strokes, but I'm in the market to get a new boat/tiller and the evinrude was going to be my first choice. Anyone heard of this or have knowledge that 2 strokes are on the ban list. It's been a rumor for many years.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-10-2017, 01:40 PM
lds lds is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 315
Default

I don't know much about outboard but what's the benefit to going 2 stroke over four. I have a 2.5 hp four stroke and it's sure nice not mixing oil and gas
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-10-2017, 01:51 PM
linger linger is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: edmonton
Posts: 287
Default 2 stroke vs 4 stroke

I know they have or will stop makeing 2 stroke motors. but i haven,t heard about them banning them.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-10-2017, 01:53 PM
Walleyedude Walleyedude is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Calgary
Posts: 801
Default

Which dealer was telling you that? Total B.S. I'd be buying somewhere else...

2 strokes aren't going anywhere any time soon. They're as clean or cleaner than 4 strokes these days.

Both the ETECs and Merc's are great outboards. Personally I'm a 4 stroke guy when it comes to outboards. I LOVE my Verado. I don't think you can go wrong with either though.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-10-2017, 02:23 PM
husky hunter husky hunter is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 199
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lds View Post
I don't know much about outboard but what's the benefit to going 2 stroke over four. I have a 2.5 hp four stroke and it's sure nice not mixing oil and gas
The big thing on boats is weight. I have a jet 2 stroke and at 85hp the 4 stroke is 100 pounds heavier. Huge difference if you are in shallow water. If Notley gets wind of it they will be banned for sure since she specializes in things that make no sense at all...lol
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-10-2017, 03:43 PM
PerchBuster PerchBuster is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 438
Default

Some lakes may not allow the use of any gas motors, only electric or muscle power but I haven't heard of any 2 stroke bans before. That would be awfully tuff to implement unless grandfathered in. I mean let's say you have an old sweet looking antique boat with the old original 2 stroke on it, can't use it anymore? I don't think they could do that. They would have to start banning chainsaws, weed eaters, mowers, quads, sleds and everything else too and that won't happen.......I don't think anyways!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-10-2017, 04:35 PM
Landlocked_Newfie's Avatar
Landlocked_Newfie Landlocked_Newfie is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 65
Default 2 Stroke Ban

I use a 1946 Champion 4.2 hp and a 30# electric on my "Port-a-Bote" a fold up boat. It would be a shame to not be able to use that feather light old rotary motor...
The 30# electric still pushes her along but the 4.2 gets me on or off way rougher water way quicker. Its feather light and perfect for that type boat. It leaks no more oil or gas than a 4 stroke so why ban them? Maybe they smoke a little more but that's all I see in difference. My 2c's worth
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-10-2017, 04:45 PM
JohninAB's Avatar
JohninAB JohninAB is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: West Central Alberta
Posts: 5,977
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lds View Post
I don't know much about outboard but what's the benefit to going 2 stroke over four. I have a 2.5 hp four stroke and it's sure nice not mixing oil and gas
Weight, torque and a lot of time better fuel economy with the 2 stroke.
__________________
“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching- even when doing the wrong thing is legal.”

“We abuse land because we see it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.”

Aldo Leopold
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-10-2017, 04:56 PM
chris1985 chris1985 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
Posts: 21
Default

Sounds like you were talking to someone who is selling merc's.i had that issue when i was shopping. Most mnufacturers sell merc and their boats together since brunswick bought up everybody. I have a lund ssv with a 30 etec and had to buy them seperately.dealers everywhere were really pushy trying to sell me a merc. The etec IN MY PERSONAL OPINION is an amazing motor. I go fishing 10-12times an season and burn 1.5 quarts of oil. I hunt with my boat in late fall and winterize/dewinterize everytime. 2 min job. And id put my 30hp up against any four stroke brand for performance.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-11-2017, 10:06 AM
Dean2's Avatar
Dean2 Dean2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,654
Default

Have a buddy who had an Etec 115 HP for 4 years. He puts A LOT of hours on a boat as he lives on an island in Lake of the Woods. After 4 years the Etec was completely worn out and he had to do a couple of fairly expensive repairs over the four years he had it. Said it got great gas mileage, performed well and burned very little oil, but ownership costs were quite high due to repairs and short life span.

He went with a 4 stroke when he replaced it.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-20-2017, 12:22 PM
lmtada's Avatar
lmtada lmtada is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,607
Default

I have115, Mercury 4 Stroke. Along 9 hp Tiller 4 Stroke. Super Quiet, super fuel efficient. I use one tank all weekend. Whereas my old 90 Mercury 2 stroke, loud, thirsty. I estimate the 4 Stroke is 80% more efficient than my two stroke. The two stroke was faster on the plane. However the four stroke is no slouch.
Boat 18.5' Hewescraft -1100lbs, motor 115 hp merc 450lbs. Troller 9.9 80lbs.
Nice to have conversation doing 45 mph on lake.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-20-2017, 12:53 PM
Walleyedude Walleyedude is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Calgary
Posts: 801
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean2 View Post
Have a buddy who had an Etec 115 HP for 4 years. He puts A LOT of hours on a boat as he lives on an island in Lake of the Woods. After 4 years the Etec was completely worn out and he had to do a couple of fairly expensive repairs over the four years he had it. Said it got great gas mileage, performed well and burned very little oil, but ownership costs were quite high due to repairs and short life span.

He went with a 4 stroke when he replaced it.
What year was it?

ETECs have had a 5 year warranty for a long time now. None of the issues were covered under warranty?

The new ETECs have a 10 year warranty and no scheduled dealer service for 5 years.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-20-2017, 01:07 PM
Dean2's Avatar
Dean2 Dean2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,654
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walleyedude View Post
What year was it?

ETECs have had a 5 year warranty for a long time now. None of the issues were covered under warranty?

The new ETECs have a 10 year warranty and no scheduled dealer service for 5 years.

If I remember right it was a 2008. I know Johnson covered some of the costs but a bunch of others came out of pocket. The 5 year no dealer service was true of the model he had but that didn't stop it from needing a bunch of dealer repairs. Most aggravating part was having to come home on the kicker 3 or 4 times from 40 to 50 miles away. At 3-4 mph that makes for a REALLY long boat ride.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-20-2017, 01:08 PM
ROA ROA is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Under your stairs
Posts: 483
Default

First thing evenrude does is look at all the sensor data and try to get out of warranty. My buddy with a 115 had a piston let go on a brand new one (i think it was the skirt at any rate it was a known problem for that year) and evenrude tried to get out of warranty claiming the engine was not ran hard enough.

Evenrude warranty is't worth ****.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-20-2017, 01:31 PM
dodgeboy1979's Avatar
dodgeboy1979 dodgeboy1979 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Lloydminster Alberta
Posts: 839
Default

ive got a 75 hp merc optimax on my boat. Love the motor, quiet, reliable and real good on fuel.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-20-2017, 02:50 PM
fitzy fitzy is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,536
Default

I work with a guy who has had a lot of problems with his etec on his pontoon boat. Great motor when it works expensive to fix is what he says. I own an mid 90s 20hp 2stroke merc it's rock solid I love it. The only upside to a 4 stoke on a small boat is the noise level is nill in a 4 stroke but you're dealing with a lot of weight.
__________________
Take a kid fishing, kids that fish don't grow up to be A-holes.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-20-2017, 03:03 PM
ericlin0122 ericlin0122 is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 492
Default

2 stroke is lighter. 4 stroke is easier to use. I have both.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-20-2017, 03:09 PM
THERICARDO THERICARDO is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 314
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fitzy View Post
I work with a guy who has had a lot of problems with his etec on his pontoon boat. Great motor when it works expensive to fix is what he says. I own an mid 90s 20hp 2stroke merc it's rock solid I love it. The only upside to a 4 stoke on a small boat is the noise level is nill in a 4 stroke but you're dealing with a lot of weight.


I also have buddy with Manitou Pontoon new last year and nothing but issues with his ETec so far. Sucks bc he was so excited for it and did tons of research and went with the Etec instead of the Merc.. Cpl times he had it out with no issues I was impressed its a beast for a 115
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-20-2017, 11:19 PM
Willowtrail's Avatar
Willowtrail Willowtrail is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,230
Default

Not sure how a 4 stroke is easier to use?

I have an ETEC 135HO and all I have to do is keep oil in a reservoir. The computer puts in the needed oil and no mixing fuel.

I don't need to do any oil changes and the motor fogs itself in the fall in less than 2 minutes.

Lighter than the 4 strokes and faster hole shot. cleanest burning motor right now so I can't see them outlawing 2 strokes. If they were it would likely be very old 2 strokes.

I've been an OMC and now BRP person all my life and won't be switching any rime soon.

I also have a 10 year warranty
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.