Flames 2017/18 season - Page 19

Twisted Canuck · #**541** 01-14-2018, 03:00 PM

What was Aho thinking going to the net like that? This is the NHL, not Bantam A......clean hit from Gio.

What?? They tossed Gio and gave him a major? That's crap!

kevinhits · #**542** 01-14-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

What was Aho thinking going to the net like that? This is the NHL, not Bantam A......clean hit from Gio.

What?? They tossed Gio and gave him a major? That's crap!

Hit to the head my ASS

Twisted Canuck · #**543** 01-14-2018, 03:06 PM

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Hit to the head my ASS

Geez...even Cassie must have said ten times it was a clean hit....shoulder to chest. BS call.

Twisted Canuck · #**544** 01-14-2018, 03:08 PM

Wow! Crazy goal by Dougie after the 'Almost' on the other end! Horn went off too early!

kevinhits · #**545** 01-14-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Geez...even Cassie must have said ten times it was a clean hit....shoulder to chest. BS call.

WOW....What an exicting turn of events

Twisted Canuck · #**546** 01-14-2018, 03:26 PM

Nice pp goal from Chuckie, to go with his assist...almost a Gordie Howe hat trick...

Jamie · #**547** 01-14-2018, 03:35 PM

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Nice pp goal from Chuckie, to go with his assist...almost a Gordie Howe hat trick...

He got a roughing call in the first, does that count now that hockey is more "Civilized"?

Twisted Canuck · #**548** 01-14-2018, 03:39 PM

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He got a roughing call in the first, does that count now that hockey is more "Civilized"?

No.

So that's seven in a row, nice way to go into the break. Flames are 50-0-2 over the last two seasons when leading after two periods! That's a crazy stat!

wwbirds · #**549** 01-14-2018, 07:16 PM

if there was accidental knee contact it was after he hit him in the chest cleanly. My boys knew better than cut across in front of net with head down at age 12.
Deked around Hamilton and almost skated into Giordana, I think he should claim self defence!! Now US media is calling for a suspension on gio, they should suspend Aho for distracted skating.

Twisted Canuck · #**550** 01-14-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wwbirds

if there was accidental knee contact it was after he hit him in the chest cleanly. My boys knew better than cut across in front of net with head down at age 12.
Deked around Hamilton and almost skated into Giordana, I think he should claim self defence!! Now US media is calling for a suspension on gio, they should suspend Aho for distracted skating.

Absolutely agree with you. Gio is not a dirty player, ever. Aho cut through with his head down, dangling Hamilton, and skated into a clean hit. I'd be surprised if Gio gets suspended. On a happier note, Flames all the way up to 8th over all with that win, second pacific. I know teams have games in hand, but they certainly have taken their destiny in their own hands!

HoytCRX32 · #**551** 01-14-2018, 07:33 PM

Seven in a row!!! Quality opponents all. Great run boys...a well deserved break!

Trochu · #**552** 01-14-2018, 08:02 PM

"With the Hurricanes thinking they had scored and looking toward the officials, the Flames collected the puck and rushed down the ice for a 3-on-2 break, which Hamilton finished on a one-timer for the second time."

TSN

Trochu · #**553** 01-14-2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

What was Aho thinking going to the net like that? This is the NHL, not Bantam A......clean hit from Gio.

What?? They tossed Gio and gave him a major? That's crap!

Wasn't even a penalty with the ref standing 10' away watching the play until Aho was hurt.

Going forward, I'd be disappointed in the league if they issue a suspension for a head shot. My reasoning is thus:

-Gio's elbow was tucked into his body and initial contact was made with the chest;
-Gio's skates did not leave the ice and there was no lunging to the head area;
-Gio did not hunt Aho out, did not charge, and in fact stopped skating altogether, and the force of the hit was entirely Aho's momentum;
-Aho put himself in a very vulnerable position, cutting through the slot with the puck with his head down; and,
-As stated above, they ref 10' away watching the play wasn't even going to call a penalty.

The knee on knee is a bit different and pretty tough to lay blame in that situation. I don't see Gio intending to take him out a the knee, just incidental contact. I actually think the knee on knee is the bigger issue here.

Duramaximos · #**554** 01-14-2018, 10:16 PM

The League will tag him with a suspension just because it's the Flames and we are flying a little too high for their liking.

TBark · #**555** 01-15-2018, 06:49 AM

Aho cut across like that because nobody is afraid to any longer.
Geo hit chest first but then he brushed his chin too afterwards, same motion.
Unfortunately the aftermath, penalty, fight, all comes from the result.
If he gets up and keeps playing, no penalty, no fight.
But because he was shook up somewhat, mayhem.
That’s just the way the game has gone in the past 8-10 years.

TBark

HoytCRX32 · #**556** 01-15-2018, 07:11 AM

Ridiculous penalty....Gio couldn't have gotten out of the way if he tried. Anyone who charges the net with their head down is likely to suffer the same fate...Regrettable, but Aho did this to himself.

brendan's dad · #**557** 01-15-2018, 12:55 PM

Tough call, Gio is not normally a dirty player but the replay looks bad with the head snapping back and the knee on knee.

I will say this, if the department of player safety is willing to suspend Cogliano on a 1st time offence and most likely cost him a hockey hall of fame induction, I think Gio may be a little worried at this point.

Twisted Canuck · #**558** 01-15-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Tough call, Gio is not normally a dirty player but the replay looks bad with the head snapping back and the knee on knee.

I will say this, if the department of player safety is willing to suspend Cogliano on a 1st time offence and most likely cost him a hockey hall of fame induction, I think Gio may be a little worried at this point.

You definitely see the force of the impact on the replays, but you have to look at the play action to make a fair call (and as mentioned, the referee who was ten feet away didn't indicate a penalty until gloves got dropped after the play, he made no initial call on the check)....anyway, as far as play action, Aho had his head down dangling Hamilton, cutting across in front of net, Gio stopped skating, his feet never left ground, and intitial contact was shoulder to chest.

If Aho hadn't had his head down there would have been zero contact with his chin, he really put himself in a stupid, rookie, vulnerable position. Yes, it was a devastating hit for sure, but I don't believe for a second it was dirty or targeted the head.

Now, if that had been Scott Stevenson delivering that hit in the old days....

If it had been Matt Cook's hit with his rep, or Raffe Torres (who always left his feet on hits like that)....suspend away.

Gio's hit was just hockey, a D man playing the puck carrier. It will really suck if they give him a suspension.

Jamie · #**559** 01-15-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Tough call, Gio is not normally a dirty player but the replay looks bad with the head snapping back and the knee on knee.

I will say this, if the department of player safety is willing to suspend Cogliano on a 1st time offence and most likely cost him a hockey hall of fame induction, I think Gio may be a little worried at this point.

NHL says no suspension, no hearing, no fine.. Clean hit.
It was a BAD call by the refs.

(Ok , my first line was actually from a news report that the NHL had sent out.. I can't find it now... Did I just imagine it??? Kinda like Edmonton imagined they had a good team.....)

Twisted Canuck · #**560** 01-15-2018, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

NHL says no suspension, no hearing, no fine.. Clean hit.
It was a BAD call by the refs.

(Ok , my first line was actually from a news report that the NHL had sent out.. I can't find it now... Did I just imagine it??? Kinda like Edmonton imagined they had a good team.....)

Yup, just reading about it. Can't find anything from the league on the review, but even the 'Canes coach thought it was not an intent to injure.

https://www.tsn.ca/peters-didn-t-see...s-hit-1.968348

https://flamesnation.ca/2018/01/14/w...sebastian-aho/

Jamie · #**561** 01-15-2018, 01:13 PM

Anyhow, clean hit. Keep your head up kids.

Twisted Canuck · #**562** 01-15-2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Anyhow, clean hit. Keep your head up kids.

Just watching it again. Giordano had stopped skating, and was pretty much stopped dead on the ice, Aho skated into him....of course you are going to drop your shoulder into the guy! Dang that was dumb, Aho!

Dave P · #**563** 01-15-2018, 01:54 PM

No additional discipline for Gio as per league.

Twisted Canuck · #**564** 01-15-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Tough call, Gio is not normally a dirty player but the replay looks bad with the head snapping back and the knee on knee.

I will say this, if the department of player safety is willing to suspend Cogliano on a 1st time offence and most likely cost him a hockey hall of fame induction, I think Gio may be a little worried at this point.

I just had a look at the Cogliano hit, it's apples and hubcaps comparison to Gio. Cogliano hit him way late, and right in the bean. Anyway, Gio looks like he is good to go, the right decision.

Do you really think that will have any bearing on Cogs and the Hall of Fame someday? Hard to imagine....

brendan's dad · #**565** 01-15-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I just had a look at the Cogliano hit, it's apples and hubcaps comparison to Gio. Cogliano hit him way late, and right in the bean. Anyway, Gio looks like he is good to go, the right decision.

Do you really think that will have any bearing on Cogs and the Hall of Fame someday? Hard to imagine....

He is about 80 games from the NHL iron man record which would be very difficult to beat. I think he would have made the hall based on that. Now the best he can do is 4th place all time which will get him nothing.

And I agree that Cog’s hit was much worst but the Hurricanes just announced that Aho is out indefinitely with a concussion and knee injury. Hard to get a concussion without some head contact and he did not hit his head on the ice when he went down.

Twisted Canuck · #**566** 01-15-2018, 06:32 PM

Yeah, there was some head contact on Aho, I don't disagree with that at all...I just think it was his own damn fault, ducking his head like that. Video shows Gio was stopped, Aho basically ran him with his head down. If you get a concussion for being stupid (like when my son road a dirt bike with no helmet), you don't suspend another player for it.

Your explanation on cogs was insightful, I hadn't considered that angle. It does make sense.

Trochu · #**567** 01-15-2018, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Hard to get a concussion without some head contact and he did not hit his head on the ice when he went down.

I don't think anyone is disputing that there was head contact. I think the point was that the initial contact was the chest and contact was made with the head in the follow through of the hit. If a suspendable "head shot" was the result of any contact being made with the head during a hit, I think the majority of the league would be suspended, or hitting would essentially be eliminated from the game.

kevinhits · #**568** 01-15-2018, 06:45 PM

Sorry but I watched the game and reviewed the play over and over...there was no head contact...believe what you want.

roughneckin · #**569** 01-15-2018, 06:55 PM

Just because someone gets hurt doesn’t mean someone deserves a lengthy suspension. It should be intent to injure and there was definitely very little chance of intent to injure as Giordano actually pulls his arm into his body to make sure his elbow is safely tucked in.
If your going to the net keep your head on a swivel. Aho forgot the basics and it bit him in the butt this time.

brendan's dad · #**570** 01-15-2018, 07:33 PM

Relax boys..... not saying your hero should have gotten a suspension. I said it looked bad and Gio was probably a little nervous today, take a look at what he was up against.....

1. Ref's called it a match penalty for hit to the head
2. Aho left the game and didn't return
3. Aho out indefinitely with concussion and knee injury

And with the department of player safety suspending more and more players, even 1st time offenders like Cogliano, I am sure Gio was a little nervous waiting for the call today.

Even though he is a Shamer, I like Gio as a player and the route he took to make the NHL shows his dedication and determination. He is a great example of the value and importance of late round or non-drafted surprises in your line-up.