Overkill vs. underkill

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Ken3134

Someone posted a thread about Grouse with a 30-06, that’s overkill…..

Isn’t overkill just a bigger gun than what is needed? I’ll just leave that wide open to interpret that however you see fit.

Ken

I have a load for the '06 that uses the light Speer plinker loads, works like a charm with the same short range POI as the 165 grain full power loads inside 40 yards. Lots of fun!
I used to shoot partridge with my .58 Hawken as well, with a light charge.
of course , one runs the risk of jumping a big ol' white tail while loaded with light loads for chickens! LOL
Cat

[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I have a load for the '06 that uses the light Speer plinker loads, works like a charm with the same short range POI as the 165 grain full power loads inside 40 yards. Lots of fun!
I used to shoot partridge with my .58 Hawken as well, with a light charge.
of course , one runs the risk of jumping a big ol' white tail while loaded with light loads for chickens! LOL
Cat

Isn't that the truth hey?

Over the past 30 years I could have killed countless Ruffed Grouse, the premier eats of game birds and my personal favorite diner. But I did not want to wake up Mr. Moose or Mr./Ms. Elk or Mr./Ms. Deer.

Stealth is a better policy, unless you just want to go for a stroll in the woods lol

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by 270person

I'll be 100 in 2025. Beats being 115 now....and wearing a Fudd hat/suspenders.

Dang, got to admire that.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by North40Rules

Originally Posted by chuck View Post
I aim for shoulder. A lost animal is a waste of a lot more meat than the handful of meat you lose off the shoulder.



Mark in your case hunting trophy sheep I would agree. I saw your sheep FANTASTIC, congratulations and phenomenal job!

In my case, I am a meat hunter, so I do not and can't remember losing an animal. If they don't drop on the spot they rarely make it more than 40 yards.

oldgutpile congratulations on that spectacular bull!

Cheers N40

Beside the sheep
I’ve been lucky and killed 3 trophy bears this year as well

7 foot plus black bear
300 win mag shooting 200gr aframes
Shot him right in the front shoulder lungs
Ran 50 yards ish
1 shot

7 foot grizzly
6.5x284 first shot 156gr berger after was 140 gr a frames
First shot through the lungs 300 yards
Second and third shot through both shoulders
Started to run
Hit him in the rear
Started to spin
Hit him again in the shoulders
Bear sat down, was looking straight at us and I him him again in the middle of the chest dead on
Total distance ran 50 yard
6 shots
Would have probably died from any of the first 3
But I wasn’t going to watch it walk into the bush and have to follow after it

10 foot polar bear
338 Sherman short mag 225 gr a frames
60 yard shot dead on
Hit him again when he was running away
Ran 50-70 yards total
Dead bear

All of bears ended up dead
2 were shot with calibers that were adequate for the task
The 6.5 for a grizzly was undergunned

[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Beside the sheep
I’ve been lucky and killed 3 trophy bears this year as well

7 foot plus black bear
300 win mag shooting 200gr aframes
Shot him right in the front shoulder lungs
Ran 50 yards ish
1 shot

7 foot grizzly
6.5x284 first shot 156gr berger after was 140 gr a frames
First shot through the lungs 300 yards
Second and third shot through both shoulders
Started to run
Hit him in the rear
Started to spin
Hit him again in the shoulders
Bear sat down, was looking straight at us and I him him again in the middle of the chest dead on
Total distance ran 50 yard
6 shots
Would have probably died from any of the first 3
But I wasn’t going to watch it walk into the bush and have to follow after it

10 foot polar bear
338 Sherman short mag 225 gr a frames
60 yard shot dead on
Hit him again when he was running away
Ran 50-70 yards total
Dead bear

All of bears ended up dead
2 were shot with calibers that were adequate for the task
The 6.5 for a grizzly was undergunned

AWESOME MAN!!!!

The biggest bear I have killed was a black bear 22 1/2" skull, 756 lbs. Killed it with my 12 gauge shotgun with a 3" Magnum Federal Express Slug at 13 yards, he made it about 30 yards, his lungs were gelified.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Here are your pics, Partner!


Cat

Dang! Is that a Barnes TSX bullet? Lookslike 100% mass retention.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Dang! Is that a Barnes TSX bullet? Lookslike 100% mass retention.

Nope, 260 grain Seirra Game King
Cat

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Beside the sheep
I’ve been lucky and killed 3 trophy bears this year as well

7 foot plus black bear
300 win mag shooting 200gr aframes
Shot him right in the front shoulder lungs
Ran 50 yards ish
1 shot

7 foot grizzly
6.5x284 first shot 156gr berger after was 140 gr a frames
First shot through the lungs 300 yards
Second and third shot through both shoulders
Started to run
Hit him in the rear
Started to spin
Hit him again in the shoulders
Bear sat down, was looking straight at us and I him him again in the middle of the chest dead on
Total distance ran 50 yard
6 shots
Would have probably died from any of the first 3
But I wasn’t going to watch it walk into the bush and have to follow after it

10 foot polar bear
338 Sherman short mag 225 gr a frames
60 yard shot dead on
Hit him again when he was running away
Ran 50-70 yards total
Dead bear

All of bears ended up dead
2 were shot with calibers that were adequate for the task
The 6.5 for a grizzly was undergunned

I would not jump to conclusions too quickly about what you experienced with your grizzly

Personally I have lost track of how many bear kills I have been in on. Mostly black bear but also over 15 grizzly. I have seen a real mix of results using different calibers and I am not sold on bigger being better. I have also experienced bears that are unexplainably tough well others drop like nothing from similar situations

I have watched a big black bear take 3 rounds to the chest with one taking out a leg and still make it 175yards. I thought for sure that it must have been poor shot placement but not the case

The fastest I have ever seen a grizzly drop was from a 270wsm. He shot the bear at roughly 150yards frontal shot right at the base of the neck. Bear dropped without even a twitch

I don’t have a problem with any caliber a hunter shoots well and believe dead is dead no matter how big the boom is

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I would not jump to conclusions too quickly about what you experienced with your grizzly

Personally I have lost track of how many bear kills I have been in on. Mostly black bear but also over 15 grizzly. I have seen a real mix of results using different calibers and I am not sold on bigger being better. I have also experienced bears that are unexplainably tough well others drop like nothing from similar situations

I have watched a big black bear take 3 rounds to the chest with one taking out a leg and still make it 175yards. I thought for sure that it must have been poor shot placement but not the case

The fastest I have ever seen a grizzly drop was from a 270wsm. He shot the bear at roughly 150yards frontal shot right at the base of the neck. Bear dropped without even a twitch

I don’t have a problem with any caliber a hunter shoots well and believe dead is dead no matter how big the boom is

The other grizzly I shot was right through the shoulders at 250 yards with a 338 rum and 250 gr accubonds. It dropped like a sack of hammers and tumbled down the mountain.
Ya this other one had a string will to live
Would I use a 6.5x284 again on a grizzly if it was a second or third animal on a hunt? 100%. But if I was specifically targeting them, I would use something bigger.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

The other grizzly I shot was right through the shoulders at 250 yards with a 338 run and 250 gr accubonds. I dropped like a sac of hammers and tumbled down the mountains.
Ya this other one had a string will to live
Would I use a 6.5x284 again on a grizzly if it was a second or third animal on a hunt? 100%. But if I was specifically targeting them, I would use something bigger.

Understandable and really a guy has to go with what he is confident in

I have just seen such mixed results some explainable and others not so I don’t overthink calibers too much. As long as a guy shoots his rifle well I don’t dwell on his caliber choices within reason of course

By the way still jealous of your polar bear you have had some awesome experiences this season

Good luck out there

[270person]

Originally Posted by chuck

I could go out and shoot four deer tomorrow with tags I’m able to acquire in this part of the province.

All antlered whitetails? I dont think so.

[270person]

Originally Posted by sns2

Pretty damn close

Your observations are not required so Shaddap please.

[270person]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Understandable and really a guy has to go with what he is confident in

I have just seen such mixed results some explainable and others not so I don’t overthink calibers too much. As long as a guy shoots his rifle well I don’t dwell on his caliber choices within reason of course

By the way still jealous of your polar bear you have had some awesome experiences this season

Good luck out there

Friend of mine has shot 7 Yukon grizzly over the years
All with .270 150gr pt's? You are 100% correct in saying its the shot vs what you're shooting.

I still wouldn't advocate for the .270 being anyone's ideal
grizz rifle. It might be "capable" in the right hands but it's certainly not ideal. We could say same about the big boomers in the hands of the inexperienced. Lots of gun - Lack of gunner.

[270person]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Dang, got to admire that.

Feel free to call me Methuselah.

[oldgutpile]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Dang! Is that a Barnes TSX bullet? Lookslike 100% mass retention.

Actually a 250 gr. Game king. Retention was 240 gr’s. 96%

[58thecat]

the 30-06...bar none for all critters that walk this earth...from the wee little pills to the heavy ones...shootable...accurate....doable.

oh and depending on how you load it and intended game it can qualify as both over and under kill...see its the one...but why just one

now lets get back to the squabble

[no-regard]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Beside the sheep
I’ve been lucky and killed 3 trophy bears this year as well


7 foot grizzly
6.5x284 first shot 156gr berger after was 140 gr a frames

I'm curious why the change in bullets after the first shot?
I have some of the 156 Bergers to try in my 6.5-284, from what I've read they seem like a great round.

Congrats on the great success as well!

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by no-regard

I'm curious why the change in bullets after the first shot?
I have some of the 156 Bergers to try in my 6.5-284, from what I've read they seem like a great round.

Congrats on the great success as well!

First one was to intended to be as accurate as possible
Which it was
A frames were planned to smash bones
Which they did

I’ve shot quite a few animals with the 156’s and they will break bones as well

Both bullets have the same point of impact out of my rifle

I think what I experienced was a worst case scenario. All the bullets performed like they should have. But it just didn’t want to die