Quality Trout Fisheries in Alberta - Page 32

Doc · #**931** 03-22-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I guess that you missed the post with the trout of the year that was caught in the Glenmore Reservoir.....

Where in Alberta would you have to live to have to drive 10 hours to find decent trout fishing? I've heard the same song and dance throughout this thread.......Doc claims there are no good trout lakes up here but I know different because I live just north of Edmonton. Sunshine claims that there are no good trout lakes in the Calgary area yet the trout of the year was caught there. Just look at the lakes an hour or two west of Calgary.......c'mon, who are you trying to kid here?

Dave, there's lots of good fishing trout lakes in Alberta and there are a ton of really lame lakes too but how many GREAT stillwater trout fisheries are there? What we're looking for are a few lakes that are unbelievable.

Doc · #**932** 03-22-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

So now you're saying that you want to create tiger trout fisheries as well!

Why not?

And quit waffling, answer the original question.

Speckle55 · #**933** 03-22-2011, 12:24 AM

Doc where did you want the lake .. up here, down there.. right beside City .. in the middle .. up by Dave.. lower than Tosh.. at Goldscuds lake.. at the reg winners lake .. ? the one you have isn,t working yet?

HunterDave · #**934** 03-22-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by goldscud

I'm not interested in catching worn out, fin damaged old hatchery hens.

Okay, then we'll add pretty looking fish to the wish list as well.

Big, easy to catch, pretty looking trout in still water that you don't have to go too far to get to and not crowded with other anglers. Did I miss anything?

Well, that should pretty much wraps it up unless Doc's going to add tiger trout to it.

EDIT* He did.

michaelmicallef · #**935** 03-22-2011, 12:46 AM

Some of the lakes are capable of producing quality fish, But is the government capable of doing what it takes? Not yet I think. Not when they have a good thing going at Police Lake and are willing to throw it away for what? So a couple of guys can get their six pack of beer and their bag of worms and bring home some pan friers for supper. ( but they will leave the empty beer cans on the shore of the lake). These have to be the guys that want to revert to old regs. Come on, it is obvious that if SRD/ F & W has to take recommendations on what to do with this lake, what the hell chance is their for any real improvement in other lakes? They have their priorities, but the man made lakes are not. I am not saying all lakes have to be C and R. But we need more.

chubbdarter · #**936** 03-22-2011, 12:53 AM

hahahahahhahahaaha....lol....yup only worm fisherman drink beer and leave the cans on the shore.
Typical higher than mighty statement from the the wanna be river runs through it gang.

That kind of bullchit comment will draw the discussion furthur apart

HunterDave · #**937** 03-22-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelmicallef

Some of the lakes are capable of producing quality fish, But is the government capable of doing what it takes? Not yet I think. Not when they have a good thing going at Police Lake and are willing to throw it away for what? So a couple of guys can get their six pack of beer and their bag of worms and bring home some pan friers for supper. ( but they will leave the empty beer cans on the shore of the lake). These have to be the guys that want to revert to old regs. Come on, it is obvious that if SRD/ F & W has to take recommendations on what to do with this lake, what the hell chance is their for any real improvement in other lakes? They have their priorities, but the man made lakes are not. I am not saying all lakes have to be C and R. But we need more.

SRD policy for the creation of these "quality" lakes is to not change the regs on P&T lakes in order to create them. Instead, they have offered up dead lakes (ie Muir) and newly formed bodies of water (ie Coal mines). This doesn't appear to be enough for the "quality" proponents and they seem intent on taking P&T lakes away because they are closer and easier to get to.

Whatever you "quality" fellas want to do with the water bodies that the SRD gives you is entirely up to you. Make them all C&R for what anyone cares, no one is losing anything by you creating them.

I don't think that SRD wants to go through another Police Outpost Lake bondoogle so, yeah, you're probably right.

michaelmicallef · #**938** 03-22-2011, 03:00 AM

I might of come across as "The River Runs through it" kind of guy. Believe me I'm not. Just I can't see the harm a few more C&R lakes if that if the key to a "Quality Lake". Why should I go to B.C. (The land of many "a river runs through it" people) if Alberta lakes are capable of producing big fish?. As for the comment on the bait guys leaving garbage behind. Most of the time I see people leaving garbage it's because they are garbage. Many are the type of people that are too lazy to try and pick up their crap let alone try and learn how to fish with anything other than bait because that's easy. And I think most of guys know what I was trying to get at with that comment. I am probably wrong in my assumption that these are the people so apposed to C&R. But that's a whole different topic. And I am not saying that all lakes should be C&R. I would prefer not take my kids fishing to bait ban /C&R lake. Hunterdave, your right I am forgetting the fact that most of the lakes/sloughs in Alberta would have nothing in them if not for the efforts of SRD.When you think about it ,they have done some amazing things in this province. But what's so Wrong with putting in some effort and C&R regs. if that's what it takes to catch some 5 to 10 lb fish in Alberta? What the big deal Everybody likes to catch big fish?

goldscud · #**939** 03-22-2011, 06:28 AM

Fish of the Year....an escaped triploid from a fish farm...boy the government is doing a great job managing the Glenmore reservoir as an excellent fishery

HunterDave · #**940** 03-22-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by goldscud

Fish of the Year....an escaped triploid from a fish farm...boy the government is doing a great job managing the Glenmore reservoir as an excellent fishery

Too funny. You are all for creating fish farms but the purist in you is against fishing for genetically enhanced fish.

Doc · #**941** 03-22-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Doc where did you want the lake .. up here, down there.. right beside City .. in the middle .. up by Dave.. lower than Tosh.. at Goldscuds lake.. at the reg winners lake .. ? the one you have isn,t working yet?

Yes.

As far as Muir, it works great but it's too popular, having another will share some of the pressure and we won't have to fight for a parking spot. Also Muir is a very shallow lake, just because it's aerated doesn't mean it can't winterkill. If it does winterkill, another quality lake close by will give other opportunities while the trout grow again.

goldscud · #**942** 03-22-2011, 07:46 AM

I think triploids are a great idea. My point is the big fish in the reservoir are from an accident, not from sound management practices. Triploids are already stocked at Bullshead and Police Outpost. No spawning behavior by the females in the spring will make them less susceptible to angling...harder to catch....I think it is great.

Sundancefisher · #**943** 03-22-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

SRD planted 8 hens(retired) from hatchery 2 weeks before fish caught..we have lots caught here .. they put 8 browns in Wildhorse lake,, 1 was 7#10 last year.. ask your local fishery person if they did release(freedom to info) .. i am not saying you can,t .. lots of variables .. they put big Rainbows every year in lakes around province .. not common knowledge!! we have lake up here that grew 20# fish in 5 years .. very uncommon.. you have too have that mix

A lot of people make the wrong assumption that a big trout in their lake was grown from a small fish when in fact most are brood stock.

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Apparently only in the lakes that I fish in.

So you let the cat out of the bag. You and Specs see the occasional release of brood stock as your monster trout you rave about so much. So you are fighting to protect a few easy to catch large recently released pigs from a hatchery...whereas some of us are asking for mother nature to grow them...let them get educated and be a great exciting challenge to catch when they reach the same size. If you like brood stock so much...I am sure their will still be some around. Don't fret Daveyboy. They will continue to be easy to catch for you also. But wait...if they stop putting brood stock in your favorite lake that you own cause you fish it and live nearby...are you going to protest by putting perch in it?

As for Glenmore...an illegal release of triploids for Allens Trout Farm is unfortunate for nature but a luck would have it a boon for a few lucky fishermen. This is neither sustained nor intended so in a year or two they will all be gone. Plus...how many do you think will be left after this years fishing? If you think this fishery is such a great thing...why are you and Tosh not compaigning to have more triploids released into the Glenmore Reservoir?

Gezz if the fishing is so good outside of the stocked put and take lakes...why are you fighting so hard to not share in the lesser put and take lakes Davey

. Cause you are greedy and misinformed is why

and it keeps on showing through the more you post.

Sundancefisher · #**944** 03-22-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Doc where did you want the lake .. up here, down there.. right beside City .. in the middle .. up by Dave.. lower than Tosh.. at Goldscuds lake.. at the reg winners lake .. ? the one you have isn,t working yet?

Problem Specs is you have no clue as to why those big fish are there in Glenmore Res. and how long they will last. Rather than try and follow Daveyboy's wisdom

please read the posts. Those triploids are not a fishery...but an accident soon to be gone forever. What we are looking for is a long term sustained quality put and take fishery. Simple...

How about you move Kootenay Lake and Deif into Alberta. You keep preaching how many better fisheries are outside of Alberta is defeatist to your argument if you are trying to make one.

Cheers

Sun

Sundancefisher · #**945** 03-22-2011, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Too funny. You are all for creating fish farms but the purist in you is against fishing for genetically enhanced fish.

What is this genetically enhanced fish you are commenting on Davey? You are lamenting that the triploids illegally released and soon to be gone from Glenmore Reservoir is a fishery that is to be loved...yet you have no clue. Pretty much all stocked put and take lakes in Alberta have gone or are going Triploid. Are you going to put perch in them to protest the changes? You don't like triploids now? What is your beef with them?

A fish farm Daveyboy is when you put 9 inch rainbows and some slow moving heart attack wanna be brood stock into a lake and you yard them out right after.

When you put small rainbows in a lake and fish for them till they are 20 inch or bigger...they are wise and educated and not the simpletons that you catch so happily.

Keep up the great posts... You apologizing for the perch comment yet?

Bigtoad · #**946** 03-22-2011, 08:19 AM

I've finally found the results for the online poll that SRD created back in 2008. Click here http://www.srd.alberta.ca/ManagingPr...t/Default.aspx and then scroll down to October 2008 and Quality Stocked Fishery Survey results.

HunterDave et al, you can say that my questions on this poll are leading and that this is not a fair representation of what "real" Alberta anglers want (which I disagree with) but now here is another piece of evidence that more quality fisheries are wanted in the province.

What evidence have you shown me for what Albertan's want in a fishery; anecdotal dribble about you and your buddies who love the mediocre fishery we have. That's it. No other proof.

Have a look at the results. There were a few surprises in there for me as well (like many people wanted ice fishing still allowed at quality fisheries) but for the most part, the results coincide very closely to the discussion we have been having here. The summary of additional comments on the back page is also very interesting.

Discuss...

Cheers.

Bigtoad · #**947** 03-22-2011, 08:21 AM

Oh, and HunterDave, the Information about the Management of Unwanted Yellow Perch in Stocked Trout Ponds on the SRD site should be of special interest to you as well.

Sundancefisher · #**948** 03-22-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigtoad

I've finally found the results for the online poll that SRD created back in 2008. Click here http://www.srd.alberta.ca/ManagingPr...t/Default.aspx and then scroll down to October 2008 and Quality Stocked Fishery Survey results.

HunterDave et al, you can say that my questions on this poll are leading and that this is not a fair representation of what "real" Alberta anglers want (which I disagree with) but now here is another piece of evidence that more quality fisheries are wanted in the province.

What evidence have you shown me for what Albertan's want in a fishery; anecdotal dribble about you and your buddies who love the mediocre fishery we have. That's it. No other proof.

Have a look at the results. There were a few surprises in there for me as well (like many people wanted ice fishing still allowed at quality fisheries) but for the most part, the results coincide very closely to the discussion we have been having here. The summary of additional comments on the back page is also very interesting.

Discuss...

Cheers.

Bigtoad

Dave never provides back up and facts to his arguments. Stop doing providing facts immediately...you are only going to make him feel bad and hurt his baseless arguments.

michaelmicallef · #**949** 03-22-2011, 08:45 AM

The whole province is pretty much a fish farm in one way or another. Might as well make it a good one. Maybe let the cattle ranchers manage the fish farms?We'll get some big trout then. And the truth of it all is that nothing worth having comes without some kind of sacrifice.

Speckle55 · #**950** 03-22-2011, 08:55 AM

ahhh sundance .. if you read post earlier by myself i have tryed to say my opinion on how to get what u want .. but it takes money and work.. if u stock bigger fish your growth rate is enhanced and that 10% survial is increased thus more bigger fish in the end in lake.. and if you don,t exced the lake productivity then you may have a chance but that can all change with pressure etc is it a good idea to aerate, yes , did i mention triploids yes i did.. are Tiger Trout a spawner not thought to be.. thus same as a triploid growth increased ..if you look at studys around the world on how to improve growth rates.. right under that productitiy post i ask u to read it shows how adding certain things in to your lakes add to productivity.. in the Northern Basin River study they had a experiment right at the mill showing that adding effulent(town and Mill mixed) added to the rate of plant,s plankton etc .. as part of my Water treatment job i had to moniter..

Now i tryed to say that when i was at Miskiki Lake last year for 5 days its a quality lake with a 40 cm ,no bait , cutthroat and brookie .. about 30 people came to lake and some camped fished .. of them 3 people caught legal fish so about 10 %.. of those people my opinion 10 % really where seasoned anglers.. Miskiki is a remote lake with not a lot of pressure.. we have those pit lakes in my area too they have a 50 cm size limit no bait same for them except in the first couple of years they will fish great(dumb fish sorry) u do a catch and release on a fish with 20 % mortality .. its like you going into the hospital for 1 day ,small operation u lose 10 # and takes you month's to recover .. if you add 200 anglers do you get what i mean

madatter · #**951** 03-22-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goldscud

Fish of the Year....an escaped triploid from a fish farm...boy the government is doing a great job managing the Glenmore reservoir as an excellent fishery

Um since we are talking about put n take lakes why are we talking about Glenmore Res?
As far as I know it is not stocked so size of fish there is sort of irrelevant.
Yes it has trout and is close so I guess Hunter Dave thinks it's relevant.
It's not relevant to someone who lives say in Oyen,who has to drive close to 3 hours in any direction to get quality trout....Blood Indian is ok at best but fished very hard.
Even Medicine Hat guys,if you took out Bullshead....just where exactly would they have to drive to get quality trout?
Bullshead has been an amazing success,anybody who has fished it knows it and appreciates it....and ultimately wants more of these lakes.
The thousands of anglers that go there are are testament to that.
So why not?

SNAPFisher · #**952** 03-22-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

So now you're saying that you want to create tiger trout fisheries as well!

Dave, you make a lot of people laugh. You decide if that is good or bad

Just chiming in that not too long ago, tiger trout were still on private fish licenses. I still have the license to prove it. Doubt one could have gotten any from farms but still...

BTW, I think Doc's latest comments are best summed up as "Winning!"

Sundancefisher · #**953** 03-22-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Too funny. You are all for creating fish farms but the purist in you is against fishing for genetically enhanced fish.

Are illegally introduced perch genetically enhanced?

Illegal Stocking of Fish
Alberta regulations prohibit the transfer of live game fish or live bait fish or crayfish from one water body to another. The placing of any live fish or fish eggs into any waters of the province other than those from which they were taken is also prohibited. Report anyone you observe relocating live fish or using live fish for bait to the nearest Fish and Wildlife Division office, or call Report A Poacher toll-free, 1-800-642-3800. The fishery resource that you are protecting is your own.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fishingregs/

Davey...here are some triploid facts to ease your fears...

Triploid Trout FaQ Sheet

What is a triploid trout?
When fish spawn, the female eggs possess two sets of chromosomes, and the male sperm possess one set. After the eggs are fertilized, the chromosomes recombine, and each egg inherits one set of chromosomes from the female and another set from the male – similar to humans. The third set is then kicked out of the egg. By exposing trout eggs to pressure or by placing eggs in a warm water bath shortly after fertilization, the ability to kick out that third set of chromosomes is inhibited and the third set of chromosomes is retained, creating a triploid trout.

What are the advantages of triploid trout over diploid trout?

Triploid fish look, swim, jump and taste like normal fish, except they never develop normal eggs or sperm and are unable to reproduce.

Researchers have also found that while triploid fish have a slightly slower growth rate than normal trout, they can reach a larger size. This can be explained by the fact that triploid trout do not develop sex organs and continue to grow at the same rate while normal trout spend a lot of their energy in the production of eggs and sperm. In many Salmonids, sterility means that fish will live longer, resulting in some trophy individuals.
Do triploid trout develop sexual characteristics?
Yes. Males may have reduced gonadal growth and go through colour changes, develop hooked jaws and may try to spawn with female trout during the spawning season even though they are infertile. Triploid female trout do not develop any secondary sexual characteristics and do not participate in spawning.

Do triploid trout survive better than normal trout?
Fish culturists have observed a slight increase in mortality of triploid trout during incubation and early life stages. However, anecdotal evidence suggests that the survival of stocked triploid trout may be higher than stocked diploid trout due to the fact that they are not exposed to the stressors associated with spawning activity.

Why stock triploid trout in Alberta?
Triploid fish are stocked in Alberta for:
Conservation Stockings in areas where there is a probability of stocked fish escapement and the risk of negative impact on native fish populations is anticipated. Many of Alberta’s native fish populations are considered to be “Sensitive” and populations are managed using restrictive regulations. Stocking diploids can result in unwanted hybridization, predation, or competition with native species. Triploid stockings eliminate the potential for hybridization and by stopping stockings, other concerns can be eliminated within one life cycle.

“Quality Fisheries” or stocked fisheries whose main objective is to have the capability to produce 50 cm plus trout within a minimum of four years of stocking.

“Put-Grow-Take” fisheries generally involve stocking small fish, which need to grow in the wild before they are ready to be harvested. Typically these are productive waters that can sustain fish populations throughout the year, but have limited or no spawning habitat for the stocked fish.

Are triploid fish safe to eat?
Yes. Triploid fish are not considered genetically modified organisms because there is no introduction of genetic material from other organisms. Triploid fish have been produced for sport fishing and commercial use for over 20 years. Triploid production is common not only in fish, but also many other foods such as bananas and seedless watermelon.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fishingregs/

Heron · #**954** 03-22-2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speckle55

ahhh sundance .. if you read post earlier by myself i have tryed to say my opinion on how to get what u want .. but it takes money and work.. if u stock bigger fish your growth rate is enhanced and that 10% survial is increased thus more bigger fish in the end in lake.. and if you don,t exced the lake productivity then you may have a chance but that can all change with pressure etc is it a good idea to aerate, yes , did i mention triploids yes i did.. are Tiger Trout a spawner not thought to be.. thus same as a triploid growth increased ..if you look at studys around the world on how to improve growth rates.. right under that productitiy post i ask u to read it shows how adding certain things in to your lakes add to productivity.. in the Northern Basin River study they had a experiment right at the mill showing that adding effulent(town and Mill mixed) added to the rate of plant,s plankton etc .. as part of my Water treatment job i had to moniter..

Now i tryed to say that when i was at Miskiki Lake last year for 5 days its a quality lake with a 40 cm ,no bait , cutthroat and brookie .. about 30 people came to lake and some camped fished .. of them 3 people caught legal fish so about 10 %.. of those people my opinion 10 % really where seasoned anglers.. Miskiki is a remote lake with not a lot of pressure.. we have those pit lakes in my area too they have a 50 cm size limit no bait same for them except in the first couple of years they will fish great(dumb fish sorry) u do a catch and release on a fish with 20 % mortality .. its like you going into the hospital for 1 day ,small operation u lose 10 # and takes you month's to recover .. if you add 200 anglers do you get what i mean

There do not have to be studies or things added to the bodies of water we are talking about. It is not rocket science and I for one could care less about trophies or record fish. Simply change the regulations so the fish are allowed to naturally grow bigger. It costs nothing.

Speckle55 · #**955** 03-22-2011, 01:01 PM

Heron have you fished the Bow by Calgary..

Miskiki was a Brook Trout lake 10 years ago took my kids there got there at 2.30 pm set up camp went fishing caught 23 fish to 2lbs .. next day fish in close shore caught 41 to 2 1/2 then went out into deeper water but kids wanted action.. next morning went out till noon caught 19 to 2 lbs ...

Now its a Quality fishery and i caught 5 legal fish in 5 days.. good luck to the average Quality angler!!!

HunterDave · #**956** 03-22-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtoad

I've finally found the results for the online poll that SRD created back in 2008. Click here http://www.srd.alberta.ca/ManagingPr...t/Default.aspx and then scroll down to October 2008 and Quality Stocked Fishery Survey results.

HunterDave et al, you can say that my questions on this poll are leading and that this is not a fair representation of what "real" Alberta anglers want (which I disagree with) but now here is another piece of evidence that more quality fisheries are wanted in the province.

What evidence have you shown me for what Albertan's want in a fishery; anecdotal dribble about you and your buddies who love the mediocre fishery we have. That's it. No other proof.

Have a look at the results. There were a few surprises in there for me as well (like many people wanted ice fishing still allowed at quality fisheries) but for the most part, the results coincide very closely to the discussion we have been having here. The summary of additional comments on the back page is also very interesting.

Discuss...

Cheers.

Bigtoad, If I had of known that you were looking for that poll I could have posted it for you a long time ago. It was discussed in the thread that Sunshine started calling on people to support turning Upper Kan Lake into a "quality" fishery.

This is the only part of that paper that you need to read in order to determine the value of it:

"This draft paper was made available, on the My Wild Alberta website for public comment through the month of September 2008.
A total of 376 individual responses to the survey were received."

SRD quietly posted the poll on their site and a bunch of elitists found it and decided to skew the poll by contacting all of their elitist buddies to vote on it. Similarly, the same thing is happening to the proposal for Police Outpost Lake. If it took you so long to find it now, how many people do you think would have found it then, without a little help?

What the SRD poll and the attached poll reveals to me is that the idea of creating more "quality" fisheries is spearheaded by a very, very small number of individuals within the entire number of all Alberta anglers. They couldn't even drum up enough votes to crack 400.

If you believe that the 94% of Alberta anglers wanting more "quality" fisheries in the SRD poll and the 44.75% that want C&R in this poll is a true representation of what all Alberta anglers want, then you are away out of touch and dreaming in technicolour.

madatter · #**957** 03-22-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Bigtoad, If I had of known that you were looking for that poll I could have posted it for you a long time ago. It was discussed in the thread that Sunshine started calling on people to support turning Upper Kan Lake into a "quality" fishery.

This is the only part of that paper that you need to read in order to determine the value of it:

"This draft paper was made available, on the My Wild Alberta website for public comment through the month of September 2008.
A total of 376 individual responses to the survey were received."

SRD quietly posted the poll on their site and a bunch of elitists found it and decided to skew the poll by contacting all of their elitist buddies to vote on it. Similarly, the same thing is happening to the proposal for Police Outpost Lake. If it took you so long to find it now, how many people do you think would have found it then, without a little help?

What the SRD poll and the attached poll reveals to me is that the idea of creating more "quality" fisheries is spearheaded by a very, very small number of individuals within the entire number of all Alberta anglers. They couldn't even drum up enough votes to crack 400.

If you believe that the 94% of Alberta anglers wanting more "quality" fisheries in the SRD poll and the 44.75% that want C&R in this poll is a true representation of what all Alberta anglers want, then you are away out of touch and dreaming in technicolour.

Big Dave I can honestly say that where this type of thing has worked...ie Bullshead,I can guarantee that the majority would love to have more lakes just like it!
Guaranteed....
Maybe a new poll should go up asking:

Would those that have fished Bullshead want to see more "Special Restriction/Size Limit lakes just like Bullshead throughout the province?

How the heck do you do a poll....

Bigtoad · #**958** 03-22-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Bigtoad, If I had of known that you were looking for that poll I could have posted it for you a long time ago. It was discussed in the thread that Sunshine started calling on people to support turning Upper Kan Lake into a "quality" fishery.

This is the only part of that paper that you need to read in order to determine the value of it:

"This draft paper was made available, on the My Wild Alberta website for public comment through the month of September 2008.
A total of 376 individual responses to the survey were received."

SRD quietly posted the poll on their site and a bunch of elitists found it and decided to skew the poll by contacting all of their elitist buddies to vote on it. Similarly, the same thing is happening to the proposal for Police Outpost Lake. If it took you so long to find it now, how many people do you think would have found it then, without a little help?

What the SRD poll and the attached poll reveals to me is that the idea of creating more "quality" fisheries is spearheaded by a very, very small number of individuals within the entire number of all Alberta anglers. They couldn't even drum up enough votes to crack 400.

If you believe that the 94% of Alberta anglers wanting more "quality" fisheries in the SRD poll and the 44.75% that want C&R in this poll is a true representation of what all Alberta anglers want, then you are away out of touch and dreaming in technicolour.

Show me the Money Dave! Show me ONE piece of evidence that the majority of Albertans are not for quality fisheries. Do that, and you can say whatever you want. Until you show me ONE freaking fact, you're just blowing sunshine.

It's like you're saying, the Marijuana party has the majority of support in B.C. , but they lack the motivation to vote and can't find the polling station

so they don't vote. The other parties win all of the time because they have the majority of the votes, but not the majority of the entire B.C. voting population.

To which I would say, "who cares dude, it's the votes that count."

Show me the evidence Dave, not just a tailgate party with your friends discussing who has the biggest fish bonker.

Cheers.

Heron · #**959** 03-22-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Heron have you fished the Bow by Calgary..

Miskiki was a Brook Trout lake 10 years ago took my kids there got there at 2.30 pm set up camp went fishing caught 23 fish to 2lbs .. next day fish in close shore caught 41 to 2 1/2 then went out into deeper water but kids wanted action.. next morning went out till noon caught 19 to 2 lbs ...

Now its a Quality fishery and i caught 5 legal fish in 5 days.. good luck to the average Quality angler!!!

Of course I have fished the Bow and am aware it benefits from the nutrients of a million peoples waste. I don't see how that relates to the ponds, duggouts, makeshift dams and pothole lakes that this debate seems to be focused on. Yes I know the title of the thread does not indicate that, but that is where I think we need the most attention on some more imaginative regulations. Sounds like you and your kids had a blast at Miskiki 10 years ago. How long has it been designated "quality"? Loved your Maligne pictures by the way.

HunterDave · #**960** 03-22-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by madatter

Big Dave I can honestly say that where this type of thing has worked...ie Bullshead,I can guarantee that the majority would love to have more lakes just like it!
Guaranteed....

If so, how do you explain the proposal to revert back to a regularly stocked lake at Police after 3 years?