Quality Trout Fisheries in Alberta

[Speckle55]

Sun ... i use all info to hone myfishing in any area.. when i go into a town close to lake, the first place i go is to the local sports store or gun shop and engage the locals.. who knows better .. then i ask if there is any more experince anglers and if they work close.. so i can ask questions .. some are like you but most are friendly and want to help if you are polite and ask engaging questions.. ps a picture books helps; it like breaks the ice..and a quick stop at the local F & W office will get you Freds name as a man to know and where he goes(lake) before you even ph him.. your learning curve was no lakes ,,down too two now,, then you phone a guide in area and ask him how much it cost for a day and what are the best lakes.. if you are a comfortable in your skill ..you go fishing if not use the most experince guide in area .. don,t get the kid(guide) thats new .. get the guide .. hope this helps other anglers reading this post not meant for

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

I personally Don,t like Triploids as they are man made and should be in differn,t class

Man made? Explain please as I was unaware man made these trout. I thought man just exposed the eggs to pressure and warmed up some water while the rest happened naturally. So how exactly does man make them?

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

Im no expert but Brian Chan speaks highly of Triploids.
He claims they live for up to 9 years...thats got to be a plus

hey i gave my opinion

i agree they live up to 9 years but they may live longer in right conditions
Brookies were 9 years... mine was 13 yrs old..new record for age

i do know how triploids are made by man
splake, Tiger trout,etc

Brian Chan fishes a area that has triploids and is a Master Angler teacher..even he will say they are not Pure..

the longer a fish lives the bigger it will get most times look at Lake Trout/Sturgen

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by Doc

Man made? Explain please as I was unaware man made these trout. I thought man just exposed the eggs to pressure and warmed up some water while the rest happened naturally. So how exactly does man make them?

did i just read that?

[gl2]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

hahahahhhhahahahahhhahhahh......only you would think that team put the nail in the coffin......hahahahaahha.......FAIL again

damn..... i am wrong again.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

did i just read that?

Please answer the question.

[chubbdarter]

It turns out there is a way, but the process is a complex one. When trout spawn, the female’s eggs possess two sets of chromosomes and the male’s sperm possess one set. After the eggs are fertilized, the chromosomes recombine and each egg inherits one set of chromosomes from the female and another set from the male — similar to humans. The third set is then kicked out of the egg. Rarely in the wild, an egg will “forget” to kick out the third set and the fish becomes what is known as a triploid (possessing three sets of chromosomes). Triploid fish look, swim, jump, and taste like normal fish, except for one important difference—they never develop normal eggs or sperm and are unable to reproduce (i.e., they are sterile).

Through experimentation with this natural process, researchers found that they could create triploid trout both by exposing trout eggs to pressure and by placing trout eggs in a warm water bath shortly after fertilization. Both processes inhibit a trout egg’s ability to kick out that third set of chromosomes and voila, a triploid fish is born.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

OK Spec - I'll play
McQuillan Res, Cavan Lake, Keenex Coulee res, McVinnie Res, Michelle Res,
Reesor Lake,

Just a few for you Spec.

More available on request.

actually cavan and michelle have both produced 25 inch fish. i dont know if michelle will be able to again the way things are headed, but i bet cavan will within 3 years. i know nothing of the other 2 , but i dont believe it would be possible for reesor to ever produce one.

[Speckle55]

Thanks ..Ishootbambi thats two off my list .. some are dead lakes or winter kill every second year or wrong ph i bet i will find out

[Speckle55]

Thanks ..chubbdarter for explaining to him the Alberta record is thought to be a natural.. Quote David Donald Fishery Canada

[chubbdarter]

Kootenay lake gerrards are technically man made now also. Dams, mysis and fertilization have altered their quote natural or pure state

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Thanks ..chubbdarter for explaining to him the Alberta record is thought to be a natural.. Quote David Donald Fishery Canada

I posted a article from Idaho fisheries that agreed with Doc

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

LOL

Definitely gotta enforce this one... You are under arrest Gustav for perjury and making false statements under fishing oath.



I believe Tosh has at least a fair take on the 2 fish limit...but his total utter lack of agreement to even any percentage of quality lakes...means...compromise...nope... unless you clarify that with...compromise if it conforms with his personal opinion only...

HD...you are getting the slammer for that...unless you mean education in how to debate with absolutely no basis in fact and rather only pure self interest.

Holy fudgecicles Sun, do you see any other peoples view and consider them AT ALL,,,,,,,, and for crissakes this is all about self interest,, stop being a friggin oligarch/autocrat, consider others thoughts,, maybe not as articulate as you would like but consider them but they are opinions like yours,, you are not the $%^#@*ing gatekeeper. And as for the poll, it was never stated that P&T lakes were the issue, at least that's not what I thought (am I thinking wrong,, should I ask your permission on this, you write like we should qualify every statement through you,,, IT'S A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!)

Gone

It was going somewhere but kept getting back to two people

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

I posted a article from Idaho fisheries that agreed with Doc

is the Idaho article 1477 post ?

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

is the Idaho article 1477 post ?

yup and Docs post is 1472

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

Kootenay lake gerrards are technically man made now also. Dams, mysis and fertilization have altered their quote natural or pure state

Yes I agree but it was not done in a Lab or fish hatchery .. thus it was done by accident and the intent was not there .. but now the BC gov is doing that.. yes similar .. they are inhancing the food chain on purpose..

[Gust]

Originally Posted by sundancefisher

stocked rainbow trout still water fisheries are different options to a:

1) short term illegal release of private rainbow trout in glenmore...and the occasional brown from the river

2) the rainbows and browns and lakers from bow are bow river fish... The reservoir is huge and while provides an option to a put and take lake it is not one. Different fishing yes...but not a stocked put and take rainbow trout fishery.

3) k lakes...bull trout are a different fishery. The dog fight...not at all like a good quality rainbow fight. While i catch rainbows that are big in the lower lake...their numbers are very low and will not support any harvest. We are trying to improve fishing for albertans...not greedily hide a small and vulnerable fishery for our greedy selves. With better regulations...we can definitely improve the fishery.

4) spray lakes...lakers are totally different fishery...one small option in the area but not a significant fishery.

So did the oilers make the playoffs?

tosh..your turn.

now...you name all the nearby stocked rainbow put and take fisheries with trout over 20 inches..

lake x y & z

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

yup and Docs post is 1472

K what part about how its done is not man made .. you take eggs stripped from a female rainbow add stripped(milked) male sperm after they are fertilized .. add the pressure and warm water ,,,put in egg process and into hatchery system then plant..

like does the Fish/ female do this to 300 eggs and lay them .... then male sperms them.. and bingo you have triploids wtf

good thing other people read posts because i said triploids were man made when we were talking about stocking them... hhmmm

[chubbdarter]

i guess i have a problem with useing the pure or natural card in this debate....isnt there only one small strain of pure alberta RBT?

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

It turns out there is a way, but the process is a complex one. When trout spawn, the female’s eggs possess two sets of chromosomes and the male’s sperm possess one set. After the eggs are fertilized, the chromosomes recombine and each egg inherits one set of chromosomes from the female and another set from the male — similar to humans. The third set is then kicked out of the egg. Rarely in the wild, an egg will “forget” to kick out the third set and the fish becomes what is known as a triploid (possessing three sets of chromosomes). Triploid fish look, swim, jump, and taste like normal fish, except for one important difference—they never develop normal eggs or sperm and are unable to reproduce (i.e., they are sterile).

Through experimentation with this natural process, researchers found that they could create triploid trout both by exposing trout eggs to pressure and by placing trout eggs in a warm water bath shortly after fertilization. Both processes inhibit a trout egg’s ability to kick out that third set of chromosomes and voila, a triploid fish is born.

thats how we get triploids in our hatchery program (CREATE)

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

K what part about how its done is not man made .. you take eggs stripped from a female rainbow add stripped(milked) male sperm after they are fertilized .. add the pressure and warm water ,,,put in egg process and into hatchery system then plant..

like does the Fish/ female do this to 300 eggs and lay them .... then male sperms them.. and bingo you have triploids wtf

good thing other people read posts because i said triploids were man made when we were talking about stocking them... hhmmm

i never said man didnt have a part in the process.....i merely quoted the process which agreed with Doc's explaination of the process.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

did i just read that?

because of this post..i assumed you didnt believe he was correct in his explaination of the makings of a Triploid

[Speckle55]

Yes you are right on the Alberta Rainbow.. begin trying to get into system for the last 8 years.. now they have a recovery team.. may be we will get some action on this Athabasca Rainbows..and we will have some genetically strong Alberta rainbow in the hatchery system

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

lake x y & z

You've fished them too eh?

Lake X was good last spring but I think that it winter killed this year due to the low water level and SRD has stopped the stocking program to create a perch fishery. Lakes Y & Z will be good this spring and I'll be fishing them hard as soon as the ice comes off. Once SRD restocks there are more fish to catch but the smaller ones are more aggressive. If you want success troll softly and carry a big lure.

[chubbdarter]

would you be against a genetically modified scud......a super scud....bigger, more nutrious able to live in various water types, a super supper for trout?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

Don't take a crap in my backyard and tell me my house stinks. A good summation.

And Tosh like myself have no problem with catch limits being lowered,,, and I believe it should be a not below 14" and not above 15" slot size if it stays at 5.

This thread is a few pages short of Victor Hugos Les Miserables,,, so you could go to Toshs' profile and read back his posts on the subject for some clarity.

WE ARE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL BUT HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON ADDRESSING THE SUBJECT. Yes I agree
HD- education
Tosh- compromise
Spec- honing craft
Sundance- enforcement
Me- a combination of the above
Poodle-
Doc-
Hunts fur- wrench thrower
and so forth.....

If dave,tosh can dish it out Im sure they can take it.

As for your list there I have tried to reason with others and have also suggested all the above reasons. So get a grip dude.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

So Huntsfurfish do you belong to a Fish and Game Club? if so what club

Not currently a member but Lethbridge is ours.

Will have one this year though.

Ps check the names of the lakes I posted for you to check?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

OK Spec - I'll play
McQuillan Res, Cavan Lake, Keenex Coulee res, McVinnie Res, Michelle Res,
Reesor Lake,

Just a few for you Spec.

More available on request.

Spec. Here are the lakes

[michaelmicallef]

Time to read the origial post. Things seem to be getting a bit of topic. Yes the lakes are fish farms. Welcome to Canada close to urban centres. Is the the topic now "does man have right to play God" it's to late for that. Unless we totaly change our stocking policies. I thought we were on the topic of catching bigger trout versus more smaller trout.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by ishootbambi

actually cavan and michelle have both produced 25 inch fish. i dont know if michelle will be able to again the way things are headed, but i bet cavan will within 3 years. i know nothing of the other 2 , but i dont believe it would be possible for reesor to ever produce one.

Yes they have, I used to fish them from when I was a kid. The point of those in there was none likely in recent years.