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Read closely ....trained individual . Snap.
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A huge portion of hunters have never had to have any training to own or use firearms. The PAL system has only been in existence for a short period of time.
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04-06-2014, 06:34 PM
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A huge portion of hunters have never had to have any training to own or use firearms. The PAL system has only been in existence for a short period of time.
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before PAL there was CORE. and FAC
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A huge portion of hunters have never had to have any training to own or use firearms. The PAL system has only been in existence for a short period of time.
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As posted core and hunters ed has been in existance since iirc before 87 when i took it in high school. Both giveing certification in the use and handling of firearms now with pal and r pal maybe those in there 50's and older would not be trained but the common sense abounded something missing today.
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04-06-2014, 06:38 PM
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So I'm willing to bet that a bunch of you anti-gun folks are in favour of the Toronto police chiefs wanting to have all guns locked up in a central armoury where you have to come in and sign them out if they feel like letting you that day?
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04-06-2014, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild&Free
before PAL there was CORE. and FAC
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It wasn't until 1994 that you had to take training to get the FAC. Until then all you had to do was apply and you got one. I think you can still challenge the test to get a PAL without any training.
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04-06-2014, 06:49 PM
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Yes - I think
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Originally Posted by Matt L.
So I'm willing to bet that a bunch of you anti-gun folks are in favour of the Toronto police chiefs wanting to have all guns locked up in a central armoury where you have to come in and sign them out if they feel like letting you that day?
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that would make FG happy.
... unless your military or police alumni ! 
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I personally don't equate gun control with being anti gun.
I love guns, absolutely everything about them. However, I am also in favour of gun restrictions that control for example, education, usage, ownership, transport, etc. I prefer a cautious but rationale approach to who has them and how and when they may be used. For me there is no point in letting people carry guns unless you are prepared for them to use them and frankly, I can not think of any reasonable way of educating and testing the general population when it is appropriate to take a life.
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So true
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that would make FG happy.
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LOL gummer is quite the cat
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04-06-2014, 06:58 PM
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I personally don't equate gun control with being anti gun.
I love guns, absolutely everything about them. However, I am also in favour of gun restrictions that control for example, education, usage, ownership, transport, etc. I prefer a cautious but rationale approach to who has them and how and when they may be used. For me there is no point in letting people carry guns unless you are prepared for them to use them and frankly, I can not think of any reasonable way of educating and testing the general population when it is appropriate to take a life.
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I equate gun control with people control.
They train the police, which are part of the general population. Why couldn't you or I be trained the same.
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04-06-2014, 07:02 PM
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So sensible restrictions with appropriate training limiting ownership to those of good standing some how = anti. Ok. the fact that the system useing the non restrictive easy access to fire arms will have more gun shot deaths this month than canadas total homicides this year. mean nothing not a jota yet if we look to other nations like lsreal or the swiss with equally high ownership with a trained crtified poulace we see a similar muder rate to Canada's restrictive access hmmm well im lost. I guess americans just like shootn each other cause no amount of thinkin, evidence and experience makes any sense. Lol
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I equate gun control with people control.
They train the police, which are part of the general population. Why couldn't you or I be trained the same.
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Woohoo I have a giant win ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑  ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ ↑↑ ↑↑↑↑↑
My whole point for going on four yearz. Omg 
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04-06-2014, 07:23 PM
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Woohoo I have a giant win ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ ↑↑ ↑↑↑↑↑
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Both shootings at Fort Hood were perpetrated by highly trained military people.
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04-06-2014, 07:29 PM
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I equate gun control with people control.
They train the police, which are part of the general population. Why couldn't you or I be trained the same.
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Yes, I would agree it is about controlling people who can demonstrate the skill and acumen to have guns. I don't see any reason why that would be limited to police. If you had the same training I would feel comfortable.
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04-06-2014, 07:41 PM
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So we must control the people FG? Hmm, where have I heard that before?
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04-06-2014, 07:58 PM
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So we must control the people FG? Hmm, where have I heard that before?
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Everyone agrees on some control, the debate is how much. I personally like Canada's regulatory framework. I can honestly say I'm OK with about 80% of it but I originate from Europe where the gun and hunting regs are seriously restrictive. I couldn't believe my luck when I came to Canada. Take a simple, sensible test, buy a rifle and go hunt a colossal sized deer for the price of a tag. YAHOO! I now spend nine months a year dreaming about the other three.
However, when it comes to using guns for self defense I am cautious. One presumes that they would be used in self defence but when under that kind of duress it takes a certain type of individual and a high degree of skill to control the situation. Possible for sure, but not common IMO.
I don't like the idea of just the police being trained and armed. I do like the idea of some of that responsibility being shared with the public. That would be healthy for both the community and the police.
As to the idea any wing nut should carry at any location for any reason. That's a scary place I would not want to habit.
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So we must control the people FG? Hmm, where have I heard that before?
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No I was more on the training thing , no so big on control .
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So I'm willing to bet that a bunch of you anti-gun folks are in favour of the Toronto police chiefs wanting to have all guns locked up in a central armoury where you have to come in and sign them out if they feel like letting you that day?
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That seems to be working well for England. 
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04-06-2014, 08:11 PM
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As to the idea any wing nut should carry at any location for any reason. That's a scary place I would not want to habit.
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Criminals will carry at any location regardless of the law. You say you love the ability to acquire a gun here and hunt, yet there are others hunting at the same time as you carrying a firearm. Do they fall into the "wing nut" category that scares you so much?
I hope you never set foot in Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Utah or a whole other list of US states. You'd be scared out of your mind.
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04-06-2014, 08:20 PM
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Criminals will carry at any location regardless of the law. You say you love the ability to acquire a gun here and hunt, yet there are others hunting at the same time as you carrying a firearm. Do they fall into the "wing nut" category that scares you so much?
I hope you never set foot in Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Utah or a whole other list of US states. You'd be scared out of your mind.
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No doubt with nearly 50% of firearms owners holding criminal records . What are the protecting them selves from other wise ???? Roughly 25× more lightly to die from a gun shot in AZ than canada. How can that be ??? If what you say is correct
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04-06-2014, 08:54 PM
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No doubt with nearly 50% of firearms owners holding criminal records . What are the protecting them selves from other wise ???? Roughly 25× more lightly to die from a gun shot in AZ than canada. How can that be ??? If what you say is correct
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All I hear are crickets...
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All I hear are crickets...
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all I hear is somebody making up stats ...yet again.....
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No doubt with nearly 50% of firearms owners holding criminal records . What are the protecting them selves from other wise ???? Roughly 25× more lightly to die from a gun shot in AZ than canada. How can that be ??? If what you say is correct
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Got anything to back that up or are you just spewing crap out of thin air?
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I'll just not venture into the woods when I know that bears are at their orneriest nor will I take a short cut through a crack neighbourhood a week before welfare checks come out.
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Imo you'll pack a gun for wildlife protection where the chances are much slimmer of a animal attack then a crime committed against you or your loved ones.
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Lol
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Ha ha ha
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04-06-2014, 09:08 PM
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all I hear is somebody making up stats ...yet again.....
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I never said how many crickets I heard.
I just wrote that was all I could hear.
How about some common sense???
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04-06-2014, 09:08 PM
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No doubt with nearly 50% of firearms owners holding criminal records . What are the protecting them selves from other wise ???? Roughly 25× more lightly to die from a gun shot in AZ than canada. How can that be ??? If what you say is correct
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Here's some reading for you, BeeGuy and GUST. I hope you can comprehend it.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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Got anything to back that up or are you just spewing crap out of thin air?
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Ohhh the boring boring jumpers in find BB's link and G 's prior link five pages back or so . Then say sorry. 
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Fish fear you like you fear guns gummer
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Fish fear you like you fear guns gummer
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Such a profound statement.
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I never said how many crickets I heard.
I just wrote that was all I could hear.
How about some common sense???
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don't think I mentioned anything about what you could or could not hear...nice try though.....you are on a roll yet again, one that I will not participate in
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