Letter to the ministers to reduce draw wait times. - Page 15

bullgetter · #**421** 07-25-2014, 01:34 PM

As a resident Albertan you can not hire an outfitter and use one of their allocation tags. You can hire them but you must use a general tag or a tag you have been drawn for.

gopher · #**422** 07-25-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

I'm supposed to make sense of this? What in the world are you talking about?

Looking at the numbers like you suggested I do.

You mentioned mule deer I quoted you and responded talking about mule deer.
14% increase every year on mule deer draw applicants get it?

Make the 2 zones you hunt for mule deer more appealing to those applying for draws and you personally are back in the same place regardless if residents hold all the outfitter tags. You think no one looks at priority numbers needed before they draw?

dmcbride · #**423** 07-25-2014, 01:54 PM

If there is an increase in draws or tags it needs to go directly to more FW in the field and habitat. I honestly don't think to many people would have a problem with a small increase if it went to directly to habitat improvement and more FW officers in the field to help stop poaching and enforce regulations. The money to do those things needs to come from somewhere and this would be one way of doing it. I just don't think we should be raising the price too much as has been said it would exclude some people.

We all complain about not enough tags, draw wait time's, not enough enforcement and not enough habitat. This proposal could help with all of these problems.

residentguide · #**424** 07-25-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Look no further than your apparent occupation.

Just cause my handle says something does not mean I make a living at it.

Okotokian · #**425** 07-25-2014, 02:43 PM

OK Chuck, lick the envelope and send the letter. Nobody's mind is getting changed here.

residentguide · #**426** 07-25-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MathewsZ7

What about the tags that each year become impossible for new hunters to draw? or that are becoming once in a lifetime tags? Just wait in line?

Already stated this. After all the people at top priority draw put it on the same draw as Cadomin. As for poor Alberta's having to wait is only going to get worse. As per the estimates out population is suppose to double in the next 10 year. So even if you steal all tags from everybody it is going to get worse. Then we talk about jacking all app fees. People will only hunt animals with antlers and horns so wait time will increase again even worse.

Pathfinder76 · #**427** 07-25-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

OK Chuck, lick the envelope and send the letter. Nobody's mind is getting changed here.

Oh you would be surprised.

Okotokian · #**428** 07-25-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Oh you would be surprised.

What? You're reconsidering your position?????

residentguide · #**429** 07-25-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shooter

I actually 999 all my draws other than 438 sheep this year. I'm in the line but it's hard to see the finish with some draws. Tags that used to take 3-4 years now take 8 to 10 or more in some cases.

I have a priority 8 on Antlered mule deer and based on the 2014 draw summary report I may actually have a chance to draw it in 2015 if the numbers stayed the same.

Based on antlered moose in the area I prefer it's an average 9 years wait between draws. If I live to see 80 and am able to keep good health and fitness I am due to hunt moose 4 more times in life.... +/- It would be great for everyone's wait times to be reduced.

I'm not here looking out for my own interest, rather a way to reduce times for all hunters. If it came down to being required to pay higher fees for draw applications, licenses and I had to purchase any tag I drew immediately after the results came out, I would readily do so as long as it showed an improvement to the draw system.

well as stated already. Eventually there is going to be double the people. So if you take away all tags from everybody but residents it will change nothing as in 4 years we will be in the same spot. In 10 watch out. Nothing is going to change long wait times. The sheep tags are the only problems and I feel top priority guys should get there crack before it goes to a lotto.

waterninja · #**430** 07-25-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

OK Chuck, lick the envelope and send the letter. Nobody's mind is getting changed here.

x10

leeaspell · #**431** 07-25-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

well as stated already. Eventually there is going to be double the people. So if you take away all tags from everybody but residents it will change nothing as in 4 years we will be in the same spot. In 10 watch out. Nothing is going to change long wait times. The sheep tags are the only problems and I feel top priority guys should get there crack before it goes to a lotto.

Let's just ban all hunting, eliminates all wait times. Problem solved

leo · #**432** 07-25-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by leeaspell

Let's just ban all hunting, eliminates all wait times. Problem solved

This post should make people realize what the outcome of our division will lead to. We all have one shared past time, hunting! I don't have to agree with all of Chuck's points, but he is very passionate about hunting and it's future, that I can respect. To everyone else, type less and think more, we're in it together!
Leo M.

residentguide · #**433** 07-25-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by leeaspell

Let's just ban all hunting, eliminates all wait times. Problem solved

I never said ban anything. Learn to read or do I need to speak Newfie? I said all the crap people are complaining about and want to stop or ban and or raise prices does nothing cause our population is going to more then double in the next 10 years. Understand?

residentguide · #**434** 07-25-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by leo

This post should make people realize what the outcome of our division will lead to. We all have one shared past time, hunting! I don't have to agree with all of Chuck's points, but he is very passionate about hunting and it's future, that I can respect. To everyone else, type less and think more, we're in it together!
Leo M.

That is the problem almost every post in this thread shows greed and that is it. Not one idea has or will change anything in 5 plus years. Most are only looking at sheep while all draws will be affected even if they charge way more for app's and tags.

MathewsZ7 · #**435** 07-25-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

After all the people at top priority draw put it on the same draw as Cadomin.

Say what?????

MathewsZ7 · #**436** 07-25-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

That is the problem almost every post in this thread shows greed and that is it. Not one idea has or will change anything in 5 plus years. Most are only looking at sheep while all draws will be affected even if they charge way more for app's and tags.

Its far from sheep only!! With some moose and elk at 12+ years and increasing every year it wont be long before the new generation of hunters will never have a chance in drawing these tags as well. How do you think the sheep draws that are imposible started?? The exact same way these tags are going.
And now with the talk of a priority cap many draws will be next to impossible to draw.
Your fooling yourself if you think the only issue is sheep!!!

Pathfinder76 · #**437** 07-25-2014, 07:33 PM

My wife drew a bull Moose tag after 15 years of applying. That same tag was 7 or 8 years the last time around and it will be 30 years before it happens again.

They give 6 tags in that particular zone and last year we know of 2 of those tag holders that never hunted them after they realized it was a bit of work. Now tell me how we can weed that type of hunter out of the draw pool. It is doing absolutey nobody any favours. Unless of course you happened to be one of the other 4.

MathewsZ7 · #**438** 07-25-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

My wife drew a bull Moose tag after 15 years of applying. That same tag was 7 or 8 years the last time around and it will be 30 years before it happens again.

Yep mine was priority 11 this year from a priority 6 11yrs ago when I drew it last.

residentguide · #**439** 07-25-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MathewsZ7

Its far from sheep only!! With some moose and elk at 12+ years and increasing every year it wont be long before the new generation of hunters will never have a chance in drawing these tags as well. How do you thing the sheep draws that are imposible started?? The exact same way these tags are going.
And no with the talk of a priority cap many draws will be next to impossible to draw.
Your fooling yourself if you think the only issue is sheep!!!

I just said all draws. Never once said only sheep. Draws here are going to be just like Arizona. 30 years for a rifle tag and 15 for a bow permit. As for you last post why should people at the top on those get screwed cause you and I did not apply the first year. In 10 years all will be drawn and this new idea will be implemented. I am ok with that. But to put all tags on that I do not agree with.

Pathfinder76 · #**440** 07-25-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

I just said all draws. Never once said only sheep. Draws here are going to be just like Arizona. 30 years for a rifle tag and 15 for a bow permit. As for you last post why should people at the top on those get screwed cause you and I did not apply the first year. In 10 years all will be drawn and this new idea will be implemented. I am ok with that. But to put all tags on that I do not agree with.

Then what about the guys in the next priority pool after those 10 years?

residentguide · #**441** 07-25-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

My wife drew a bull Moose tag after 15 years of applying. That same tag was 7 or 8 years the last time around and it will be 30 years before it happens again.

They give 6 tags in that particular zone and last year we know of 2 of those tag holders that never hunted them after they realized it was a bit of work. Now tell me how we can weed that type of hunter out of the draw pool. It is doing absolutey nobody any favours. Unless of course you happened to be one of the other 4.

All draw tag numbers or based off success rates so it already is delt with. This is why we need mandatory harvest states from every hunter.

residentguide · #**442** 07-25-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Then what about the guys in the next priority pool after those 10 years?

They get to join the not happy group in the lotto draw with 20 entries.

Can't please every whiner in this world.

Pathfinder76 · #**443** 07-25-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

All draw tag numbers or based off success rates so it already is delt with. This is why we need mandatory harvest states from every hunter.

So this is already dealt with but we don't actually know the numbers so we need mandatory reporting of harvest?

Pathfinder76 · #**444** 07-25-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

They get to join the not happy group in the lotto draw with 20 entries.

So why not start the non happy now?

MathewsZ7 · #**445** 07-25-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

The sheep tags are the only problems and I feel top priority guys should get there crack before it goes to a lotto.

Um you actually did say sheep tags are the only problems!!!

residentguide · #**446** 07-25-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

So this is already dealt with but we don't actually know the numbers so we need mandatory reporting of harvest?

yes sir. Contact the biologist in that are and let him know about the people who wasted the tag. Way better ways to make things happening then sending a letter that will never get read or just ignored after it has been.

residentguide · #**447** 07-25-2014, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MathewsZ7

Um you actually did say sheep tags are the only problems!!!

yes I did. I said they were now and all will be in the next 5-10 years.

MathewsZ7 · #**448** 07-25-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

In 10 years all will be drawn and this new idea will be implemented.

So you think all the guys in the 10+yr priority pool in all draws will be draw over 10yrs? Then the new guy building up to 10yrs will start the priority cap lottery??

Pathfinder76 · #**449** 07-25-2014, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by residentguide

yes sir. Contact the biologist in that are and let him know about the people who wasted the tag. Way better ways to make things happening then sending a letter that will never get read or just ignored after it has been.

Your funny. I actually spoke to three biologists today with a message to one more. You think they will pass that concern on? Not bloomin likely. Oh there will be letters to biologists. CC'ed to MLA's and Ministers.

residentguide · #**450** 07-25-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MathewsZ7

So you think all the guys in the 10+yr priority pool in all draws will be draw over 10yrs? Then the new guy building up to 10yrs will start the priority cap lottery??

no. I think only sheep should be put on that cap lotto. I think people should quit complaining and deal with it cause if it goes the cap lotto you may never draw a tag as a kid.