There is gouging and then......

[cowmanbob]

A while back I had no interest @$1100 on a sake A7.

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by 270person

Worst auction site going imo. I'd like to know who some of the guys bidding are but they sure as heck don't frequent any of the popular gun sales sites. Or retail ones for that matter. Or they're all 500 miles from anything gun related in Nunavut.

$1425.00 + gst + $50 shipping if you aren't living in Saskatoon for a high miles Sako A7 25-06??

I agree; have no use for sites like that. Doesn't change the fact that people are gonna people. They've been randomly paying stupid prices at (farm, ranch, acreage, estate, vehicle, & gun) auctions for years.
If nobody buys it at the asking price, it will eventually self correct. Here's the thing, someone who needs it is going to buy it. Word will get around, and others will base their prices off the new value standard.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dick284

All things are progressing as expected.
The only thing is the depth and breadth of the shortages, they far exceed anything envisioned or previously encountered.

If you failed to heed the previous warnings about these times and happenings, guess what?
You get to pay the piper.

Things are even worse than expected, and with companies stating outright that certain products will not be sold to the public until at least late 2023, it's going to get even worse. Seeing how prices have climbed, I have liquidated bullets, powders and cases that I no longer use, for a little under what legitimate dealers are listing, if they had any to sell, but anything that I may potentially use myself, is not for sale. I listed over 2600 bullets yesterday, and they sold in 15 minutes.

[leeelmer]

Seen $1000 for a keg of Varget the other day.
$250 for 1000 Federal LRM primers
$800 for 5lbs of H1000

Crazy times, was at the Calgary gun show and 25 year old primers were listed for $15 per 100

Some of the guns for sale were of course at laughable rates.
One in particular was a plain jane Winchester 71(not a deluxe) $3000
Also a 71 Deluxe for $5800
Beat up old model 94's nothing special for $1800
A Remington 673 in 300SAUM with the rib cut off missing blueing where the rib was, stock reshaped and restained for $900
There was alot of Lapua brass and Berger bullets at one vendor, that were priced good, and I was surprised by that.
The show was way to small for the amount of people there, crazy busy. Was nice not to pay $20 for parking and $20 to get in like when it was at the Stampede grounds though.

[270person]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Sako isn’t taking orders this year. Apparently it’s going to take them that long to catch up on the orders they already have. So yep, if you want one, you are gonna pay

Its a standard A7. Now commonly referred to as a Tikka bla bla whatever they're calling them. You can buy that
current production Tikka model NEW for the same or less and they aren't backordered up the ying yang. A7's aren't super common but they arent exactly rare or highly sought after either. Wasnt a whole lot of them sold vs other Tikka and sako models. And they arent $1425.00 either. $1000 - 1100. Bump 100 - 250 for a Roughtech. With Zero gst on either.

I gave one example. Go on the website and check past auctions and tell me if you see one winning bid you'd say was a bargain. There just aren't any.

[270person]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

A while back I had no interest @$1100 on a sake A7.

I hear you Bob. I had zero bites on a next to cherry 80's production BDL 7RM at $750. One smart fella on this site snapped up my A7 Roughtech Pro 7RM with all the plastic changed out for metal, rings and bases, and an extra new in pkg mag I had posted at a nice price tho.

People can say items are worth what someone will pay but I'm more on the side of panicked first time buyers with no clue of a firearms worth driving up prices.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

It’s not a money grab. It’s called price elasticity of demand. Trying to control that is a socialist behaviour.

If this was a business I’d say price gouging. As it’s a private seller as far as I can tell I wouldn’t call it gouging I’d just say unrealistic. Otherwise everything I thought was over priced I could call gouging even if I had no clue what the going price was for an item. Truck house tv coffee steak etc…. To each their own I suppose. I’ve listed some items for relatively high prices just to see if someone would bite knowing I didn’t need to sell it. Some sold others didn’t.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

If this was a business I’d say price gouging. As it’s a private seller as far as I can tell I wouldn’t call it gouging I’d just say unrealistic. Otherwise everything I thought was over priced I could call gouging even if I had no clue what the going price was for an item. Truck house tv coffee steak etc…. To each their own I suppose. I’ve listed some items for relatively high prices just to see if someone would bite knowing I didn’t need to sell it. Some sold others didn’t.

Spot on!!!. Even with businesses, don't like the price don't buy. If others will pay it, why is that any of your business at all. It is their money.

The one story I will relate, A guy got hold of me a couple of weeks ago on CGN because I had sold some 218 Bee dies. He said he was really desperate and did I have any 218 Bee brass I would be willing to sell. I wasn't looking to sell the brass but given how hard up he made out to be I sold him 400 new, un-fired, weight sorted brass for $10/100 less than the current listed price ( and no one in Canada has any in stock). This buttwipe had the balls to pm me and tell me the count was short by 4 brass, what were my thoughts on this. I sent the ahoe an EMT for the 4 brass and told him to never contact me again. This is a guy with over 1250 trader ratings. Makes me think the jerk was buying them to resell at a profit now that I think about it. That I take offence to. Last time I help out anyone with reloading supplies that I don't know personally.

[Walking Bear]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I’ve listed some items for relatively high prices just to see if someone would bite knowing I didn’t need to sell it.

I totally agree with you on that strategy; He's just testing the waters, looking for suckers.

[MountainTi]

It's not gouging if you don't buy it.
Powder is not a necessity of life. Sell for whatever you think you can get

[freeride]

And someone just listed 2 lbs of varget and 1 h4350 for a whopping $60 each. Good on them.
Unfortunately it's a few provinces over and pick up only, but there are still good deals for those who look.

[CNP]

There is gouging and then......

By definition, gouging is swindling. That is taking advantage during a supply shortage, accumulating and selling at an exorbitant price. I've seen resellers selling at $100 a pound on the AO buy and sell. Just my opinion but I'll stay clear of anyone actively engaged in this practice. It's a slippery slope and condoning it is equal to being engaged in it. Buy all you want at market prices for personal use, I've got no problem with that, but swindling other sportsmen leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[waldedw]

If people are stupid enough or desperate enough to pay ridicules prices then it's not gouging, I can ask whatever I want for something and if someone will pay it then good for me, nobody forces anyone to buy something, it's been going on for years with scalpers and concert tickets etc. people pay stupid amounts of money for something they want ................ go figure

[russ]

Simplest way to launder money, over price it, sell it to yourself using a proxy.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

Maybe the government should take over the ammunition and components trade so the price is fair for everyone.

Reading thru the thread, I'm thinking some would be happy with that suggestion. Should do the same with farm land as well. Housing. Stock market. Stone sheep hunts. 60 year old scotch. Pre 64 wins. Throw 4440 John Deere's on that list as well. Worth more now than when they were new 40 years ago.

[YoteStopper]

The thing that gets me about gouging (but especially in the context of the thread) is that those who buy up supply and then relist it on the secondary market to make a few bucks will b**** about the same sort of thing when someone does the same thing on a different commodity they are looking for.

A good friend was selling a bike and got some total BS story from a buyer (typical example kids bike piled up and needs a new one for the moto event this weekend type of story) and gave him a bit of a break on a already fair price; the bike was reposted on Kijiji nearly instantly....

[Twisted Canuck]

Meanwhile, over on CGN, brand new member with no posts or feedback, posting in the wrong forum, but at least he seems nice. Takes some guts to make your first post an ad in the Sponsors forum, just co-op their threads!

[270person]

Just realized I have a Cooey. 22, no idea what model. Single shot. Mint condition other than a small 2' long patch of rust along the barrel, a cracked wrist and a missing trigger guard. I'm offering this beauty for $625.00 and I'll throw in a half box of Imperial shorts for a local buyer.

Lowballers will be ignored. I know what I have here.

[Twisted Canuck]

Pics?

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by 270person

Just realized I have a Cooey. 22, no idea what model. Single shot. Mint condition other than a small 2' long patch of rust along the barrel, a cracked wrist and a missing trigger guard. I'm offering this beauty for $625.00 and I'll throw in a half box of Imperial shorts for a local buyer.

Lowballers will be ignored. I know what I have here.

I've got 3 sheets of 3/4" plywood, good one side, if you're interested in a trade.
Mint condition (aside from some slight warping due to leaning against the tack shed the last 4 years. Last summer there wasn't a lot of rain so really only 3 years)

[kujoseto]

Originally Posted by 270person

Just realized I have a Cooey. 22, no idea what model. Single shot. Mint condition other than a small 2' long patch of rust along the barrel, a cracked wrist and a missing trigger guard. I'm offering this beauty for $625.00 and I'll throw in a half box of Imperial shorts for a local buyer.

Lowballers will be ignored. I know what I have here.

Minty

[270person]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Pics?

Soon as I find my Polaroid they're on the way.

[270person]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

I've got 3 sheets of 3/4" plywood, good one side, if you're interested in a trade.
Mint condition (aside from some slight warping due to leaning against the tack shed the last 4 years. Last summer there wasn't a lot of rain so really only 3 years)

Sounds like the stock on my Cooey was made from some of your plywood. It's kind of like a Euro hogback but instead of curving down it goes left. Nothing a little sandpaper can't fix. I'll knock $25 off and split shipping with you.

[270person]

Originally Posted by kujoseto

Minty

Which is fitting considering it's held together with gum.

[whitetail Junkie]

My dad had a WTB on gun nutz for RL25 powder...here a guy in BC had a pound and abit he didnt need and was in Alberta this easter weekend and gave it to my dad for free...he wouldnt take any $$$ for it,so he got a pound of our familys homemade maple fudge in return...

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

My dad had a WTB on gun nutz for RL25 powder...here a guy in BC had a pound and abit he didnt need and was in Alberta this easter weekend and gave it to my dad for free...he wouldnt take any $$$ for it,so he got a pound of our familys homemade maple fudge in return...

Now that is exactly how the shooting community should work and always has. Until the buttwad from Ontario, this type of thing has always been my experience with folks in the shooting sports. Good on u guys.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

My dad had a WTB on gun nutz for RL25 powder...here a guy in BC had a pound and abit he didnt need and was in Alberta this easter weekend and gave it to my dad for free...he wouldnt take any $$$ for it,so he got a pound of our familys homemade maple fudge in return...

Love it, that's the way things should be done. Shows there's still some very good people still around.

Cheers
JD

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

My dad had a WTB on gun nutz for RL25 powder...here a guy in BC had a pound and abit he didnt need and was in Alberta this easter weekend and gave it to my dad for free...he wouldnt take any $$$ for it,so he got a pound of our familys homemade maple fudge in return...

That’s a great story, and good on you guys for throwing some fudge his way. The world can be so rewarding without dollars and cents sometimes.

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by silver lab

There was someone on here or CGN that was asking $850 8lbs of IMR 4350…. That over a $100 per lb. The last time I bought IMR 4350 I think I paid less then half that and it wasn’t that long ago.
And I thought that was bad.. Maybe in a few months if the price keeps going up I will have a few pounds of Varget for sale! Lol.

That's on our very own guns and ammo buy and sell this evening. There's some serious irony if you look up the posting...

[brass410]

Maybe that I'm getting soft , but when I see a fellow shooter/hunter in need of something that I have, or have an extra of, I feel that the hobby/sport has brought so much enjoyment that I'm compelled to help them out with a trade,straight out sale,or just here, return some when it's available again. Have never felt the need to profiteer at someones time of need I dont think I could call myself a sportsman if I did.