World War 3

[KGB]

I would go with the USA any given day before I would go with Russia. Just my opinion. None of them are ideal but I choose lesser evil. There is still a huge difference in understanding the democracy between two countries. HUGE.....

[bison]

Never mind Russia, there might be bigger troubles on the horizon,... that is if you believe this?

long read

https://boudicabpi.files.wordpress.c...ace-part-i.pdf

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by KGB

I would go with the USA any given day before I would go with Russia. Just my opinion. None of them are ideal but I choose lesser evil. There is still a huge difference in understanding the democracy between two countries. HUGE.....

I agree, with the oil, agriculture, water, etc we have and the limited military, without the US support we would be "challenged" by every other major power in the world. So would many other countries, if they new the US would not support them.

The US may be far from perfect, but if you believe we, and many other countries would enjoy the freedoms we/they have without them, you are delirious.

[thunderheart]

Originally Posted by bobalong

The US may be far from perfect, but if you believe we, and many other countries would enjoy the freedoms we/they have without them, you are delirious.

slow clap ... very well put friend .. who could argue with that !!!

[KGB]

You know the saying:" there is no smoke without a fire".... How much of it is truth I dont know, but some of it makes sense.
But at the same time there are so many conspiracy theories out there....and most of them not worth the paper it is written on. We shall see.....

[thunderheart]

Originally Posted by bison

Never mind Russia, there might be bigger troubles on the horizon,... that is if you believe this?

long read

https://boudicabpi.files.wordpress.c...ace-part-i.pdf

would be a liar to say i read it all ...but went thru it ..some interesting stuff .. i wonder who has the time and motivation to write this just for fun ... not sure what to believe anymore ...one thing is times are changing

[Jimboy]

Actually most of you misunderstand the situation with Russia and the Ukraine
Russia is not the villain here , the Ukraine President is the problem , in fact most of the Ukraine people are fleeing to Russia for a more democratic life.
What is happening is that the Ukraine President is a capitalist dictator and the US is taking his side , its a situation the same as The US has with Israel , and the surrounding countrys don't like it .
What Russia is doing was requested by the Ukraine people to actually free them from the capitalistic ideas that this dictator is trying to enforce on the people , which is a country for the Wealthy like Israel .
America of course is in bed with Israel , have been for many years , and anyone or any country that threatens their way of the Elite life for the rich will cause a war.
All Russia wants , is to give the people a democratic life for all.
So no , the leader is not the villain.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by bobalong

I agree, with the oil, agriculture, water, etc we have and the limited military, without the US support we would be "challenged" by every other major power in the world. So would many other countries, if they new the US would not support them.

The US may be far from perfect, but if you believe we, and many other countries would enjoy the freedoms we/they have without them, you are delirious.

And if not for US, half of the Europe would've been living behind the Iron Curtain still... And commies would've been ruling half of the Europe or may be even more....

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by KGB

I would go with the USA any given day before I would go with Russia. Just my opinion. None of them are ideal but I choose lesser evil. There is still a huge difference in understanding the democracy between two countries. HUGE.....

I agree with you. We just need to get past this mentality that the Americans are the good and the Russians are the bad guys because it's total horse****.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Jimboy

Actually most of you misunderstand the situation with Russia and the Ukraine
Russia is not the villain here , the Ukraine President is the problem , in fact most of the Ukraine people are fleeing to Russia for a more democratic life.
What is happening is that the Ukraine President is a capitalist dictator and the US is taking his side , its a situation the same as The US has with Israel , and the surrounding countrys don't like it .
What Russia is doing was requested by the Ukraine people to actually free them from the capitalistic ideas that this dictator is trying to enforce on the people , which is a country for the Wealthy like Israel .
America of course is in bed with Israel , have been for many years , and anyone or any country that threatens their way of the Elite life for the rich will cause a war.
All Russia wants , is to give the people a democratic life for all.
So no , the leader is not the villain.

The relationship between Russia and Ukraine aren't that simple. The are so many variables there that it looks like a snake pit - no matter whos tail you yank you gonna end up bitten... And America of cause in bed with Israel cause it is THE ONLY TRUE DEMOCRACY in a middle east.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

I agree with you. We just need to get past this mentality that the Americans are the good and the Russians are the bad guys because it's total horse****.

Thank you. Remember, not all Russians hate the US. Most Russian people even during the communist regime were looking towards the west as a light at the end of the tunnel. It is the ruling party people who were propaganding the hate towards anything western trying to hold on to the power.

[Jimboy]

Originally Posted by KGB

The relationship between Russia and Ukraine aren't that simple. The are so many variables there that it looks like a snake pit - no matter whos tail you yank you gonna end up bitten... And America of cause in bed with Israel cause it is THE ONLY TRUE DEMOCRACY in a middle east.

Sure , if you call all for the rich and nothing for the poor Democracy , l don't.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Jimboy

Sure , if you call all for the rich and nothing for the poor Democracy , l don't.

de·moc·ra·cy
/dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"
synonyms: representative government, elective government; self-government, government by the people; republic, commonwealth

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Jimboy

Sure , if you call all for the rich and nothing for the poor Democracy , l don't.

Ok mr. Robin Hood!...
Let's take it from the reach and give all to the poor! I think we went thru this once already, it was called the Great October Socialist Revolution and we all know well what it lead to... History always repeat itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuC_0-d-9Y
And this is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1IQYD4Uew

[Coho911]

Originally Posted by KGB

Ok mr. Robin Hood!...
Let's take it from the reach and give all to the poor! I think we went thru this once already, it was called the Great October Socialist Revolution and we all know well what it lead to... History always repeat itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuC_0-d-9Y
And this is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1IQYD4Uew

F*&^ the poor video was AWESOME ! Shows how when its a 'Free b!tc# Session' people will show how empowered they are, but when it comes to put up or shut up.... note the silence.

[Coho911]

Interesting video by the 5th Estate this month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAMPiF_BSg

[silverdoctor]

Funny people are preparing to hear about WW3. It's an economic war folks and Vladimir Putin ain't no fool. Just a few examples...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-Ukraine.html


http://rt.com/business/222175-russia...rating-agency/


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...swap-agreement

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Coho911

POST WWII they started getting rich and got the taste for other people's money with the German war reparations, .

WWII German war reparations? Do tell. First I've ever heard of them. Link and explanation please. Have you heard of the Marshall Plan?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

WWII German war reparations? Do tell. First I've ever heard of them. Link and explanation please. Have you heard of the Marshall Plan?

Ummm, the Marshall plan doesn't really follow the meme of evil America. Please delete your post.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Ummm, the Marshall plan doesn't really follow the meme of evil America. Please delete your post.

Ok, i'll bite... They just gave away billions of dollars with no expectation in return eh? How nice of the Americans. Undamaged at home, but so willing to help. Help they did. Look at the bail outs countries are facing today, want the money - here's some expectations, restrictions - you play the game.

Wasn't it in the 40's that the US moved away from isolationism and turned to interventionism? It was the start for much of the crap that's going on today.

More and more, we hear "protecting US interests" as a reason for intervention or incursion.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Wasn't it in the 40's that the US moved away from isolationism and turned to interventionism? .

yeah, getting bombed without warning will do that.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

yeah, getting bombed without warning will do that.

Really, that will do it. Pearl is 2500 miles off the coast of the US. Some say while Hawaii was surprised by the bombing of pearl - FDR was not. He tried his damnest to get the US into the war - tried unsuccessfully to get Germany to declare war - but Hitler wasn't that dumb after the results of WW1. Hawaii is still a grey area of ownership.

Remember, the US wasn't allowed into the war unless provoked.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Really, that will do it. Pearl is 2500 miles off the coast of the US. Some say while Hawaii was surprised by the bombing of pearl - FDR was not. He tried his damnest to get the US into the war - tried unsuccessfully to get Germany to declare war - but Hitler wasn't that dumb after the results of WW1. Hawaii is still a grey area of ownership.

Remember, the US wasn't allowed into the war unless provoked.

Soooo... what you are saying is that the US didn't get into WWII until they were attacked. That sounds amazingly like what I said.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Soooo... what you are saying is that the US didn't get into WWII until they were attacked. That sounds amazingly like what I said.

You said "bombed without warning" Oki, changes the game. FDR knew it was coming.


Ok, why did they get attacked? Most of the world is at war, and one of the largest - if not the largest - US navy base gets attacked. Zero defences set up - doesn't that strike you funny? FDR ordered many of the ships to pearl, no reconnaissance, no defense plan. Japan shows up out of the blue after travelling over 4000 miles across the pacific and blows the heck out of Pearl.

Riiiiiggghhhttt...

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Ok, i'll bite... They just gave away billions of dollars with no expectation in return eh? How nice of the Americans. Undamaged at home, but so willing to help. Help they did. Look at the bail outs countries are facing today, want the money - here's some expectations, restrictions - you play the game.

Wasn't it in the 40's that the US moved away from isolationism and turned to interventionism? It was the start for much of the crap that's going on today.

More and more, we hear "protecting US interests" as a reason for intervention or incursion.

"to the shores of Tripoli." The USA has been fighting evil all over the world for a couple hundred years.

If you can't learn not to poke a bear with a stick...you are gonna git et.

Never fear though, this too will come to pass, and with any luck we will live to see another super power rise in our life time. I'll probably be heard to say something like "I told you so."

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

You said "bombed without warning" Oki, changes the game. FDR knew it was coming.


Ok, why did they get attacked? Most of the world is at war, and one of the largest - if not the largest - US navy base gets attacked. Zero defences set up - doesn't that strike you funny? FDR ordered many of the ships to pearl, no reconnaissance, no defense plan. Japan shows up out of the blue after travelling over 4000 miles across the pacific and blows the heck out of Pearl.

Riiiiiggghhhttt...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_H...spiracy_theory

the Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory is rejected by most mainstream historians.[


Also....see Hanlon's razor.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

The USA has been fighting evil all over the world for a couple hundred years.

Yeap, and they've been creating evil since the 40's - hence what we have today.


And what happens when the US is no longer the world superpower?

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Yeap, and they've been creating evil since the 40's - hence what we have today.


And what happens when the US is no longer the world superpower?

Then all the unhappy with the defunct US of A ,,,,

, can go live in Russia, with Boris Poutine ! The Humanitarian ,,,,

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Yeap, and they've been creating evil since the 40's - hence what we have today.


And what happens when the US is no longer the world superpower?

Ummm, someone else becomes the world superpower. Probably not gonna be Canada, Switzerland, Norway or some other similarly benign country.

[fish_e_o]

i highly doubt russia is going to cut off natural gas.

but... if you place sanctions on a country that you depend on you're going to have a bad time. they'll just turn the pipes to china.