NDP are going to spend us into prosperity

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Yup, it's ok to steal from someone just because they work harder than you. Typical.

exactly.

GF's dad barely graduated high school, worked dead end jobs for a while, and now he is doing really well for himself as a branch manager at a dealership

edit: and i should add he works nearly 10 hrs a day and even sometimes on the weekends

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

You remind me of a buddy of mine. When we were kids he refused to believe that the fence wire was hot. He had to **** on it to find out.

Nope not that guy, I have seen that in the past too, had a good laugh as well. But voting conservative and WRP is the definition of insanity, constantly beating your head against the wall waiting for change but never having the balls to make the change, so you just keep beating your head against the wall.

Originally Posted by rugatika

Yes, the government needs to diversify under the NDP. They will take over the oil and gas companies, start up a government refinery...under the auspices of funding a privately owned one which will tank and the government will take it over because nobody else will. The NDP are good at running lots of things....into the ground.

I didn't see any mention of Notley supporting the potato industry. How does she feel about that? Maybe she could re-start Spudco. Lorne Calvert and Peter Prebble could be advisors....(for a fee of course)

Where does it say that under the NDP they will build a refinery! Where does it say they will take over the oil and gas companies. The NDP are listening to what Albertan's want, not telling us what they are going to give us, like the conservatives and the wrp.

Are you really that afraid of diversification in our handling of raw materials?

Really you Conservatives and WRP are running scared. You're crazy talk is getting to be worrisome for your own well-being. Take a breath and step away from the Conservative ideals and embrace something new and refreshing for a change.

BW

[raab]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

It's scare tactics and name calling - plain and simple. Just as last time when the PC's felt threatened they started to use the old scare em into voting for the PC's, and the WRP started this a week ago.

We've had enough of the PC and the recycled conservatives. It's time to rid government of these type of politicians. Time to make to get our province back to doing things for the electorate not the corporations and the oil companies.

As for your analogy, I'd take a different room with that advice and check out the bed myself.

BW

Here, Here!! Let's hope for change on May 5th!

[Okotokian]

While I won't be voting NDP, I've put forward one question a couple times and had no Wildroser give me a reasoned answer... Most Wildrosers are also Harper supporters. Yet in the largest economic recession we have had, Harper did not cut jobs and raise corporate taxes. He did quite the opposite, embarking on his "Economic Action Plan" to stimulate the economy. Yet on the jobs front, Jean only proposes to cause more government workers to be unemployed and to raise corporate taxes on the oil and gas companies that are the heart of our economy. Why isn't Jean following Harper's proven methods? How is raising the minimum wage a job killer but raising taxes on their employers not a job killer?

[JohninAB]

I have lived under PC and NDP rule. Not sure which is the lesser of two evils sometimes.

A honest question here. When Stelmach raised the royalty rate, did it make the royalties here higher than BC and Saskatchewan?

[obsessed1]

Holy smokes does any one else here see a trend? the younger Generation( of which shamefully I belong too) has fallen hook line and sinker for this NDP Garbage.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by raab

The existing wells will need to be serviced here, and the drilling up around Ft. Mac will continue undoubtedly. Hows the drilling business in Alberta right now with the PC's at the helm?

just went back and read this.

the drilling activity has NOTHiNG to do with the PC's. global oil prices are down. dunno how the PC's are involved in that but im sure you will come up with a reason

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

Haha stealing, sure if you say so. And are you saying that the people at Tim hortons don't work hard? The fact is most people who make that in a year were born into a good situation that gave them the opportunity to advance to that level. Whether that was through education (Dr's, Lawyers, etc...), or through networking(ei who you know), or family wealth. It's a disgrace that'd you'd consider that someone makes less then you based solely on how hard they work. If you were born in the Philippines do you think you'd have the things you have now? You should be grateful you were born into this great country and given the opportunities to succeed that some others don't get. You should also help this country continue to provide good education opportunities and healthcare so that like you, others may continue to become high earners and help Canada continue to prosper.

Hilarious....typical commie drivel. I'm not trying to put people that work at Timmy's down but, No...people at a Tim Horton's don't work as hard as I do, and they don't work the hours I do or have the stress that I do either. They work their 8 hour shift and are at home tucked into their comfy bed every night. The most responsible thing they have to worry about is getting someone's double double wrong. When I started in the patch as an entry level position my hands would be cracked and bleeding all the time, I'd spend nights working on trucks to be ready for the morning in 30 below weather, I could hardly make a fist in the mornings when I got up, and I loved every minute of it. I grew up shovelling bins, picking rocks and working for fun and put myself through University. AND, just so you know, I'm not unique at all. I've seen hundreds of other kids come from nothing and make something of themselves from nothing but hard work. Sorry to burst your bubble comrade.

Like an old Econ prof once told us..."Life is cruel." You can do something about it yourself, or vote for someone that will promise to steal it for you I guess.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by JohninAB

I have lived under PC and NDP rule. Not sure which is the lesser of two evils sometimes.

Really... you can't tell the difference? You haven't noticed you have been living in a province with BY FAR the highest standard of living in the country, with the lowest taxes. A Province rated as one of, if not the best, jurisdiction in North America in which to do business. To you it feels just like Manitoba or Nova Scotia, eh? Man, if you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere.

[raab]

I'd vote conservative if I could see a difference between the WR and the PC's. Both cut from the same cloth IMO. I know this after seeing who's running for the WR in my riding.

[raab]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

just went back and read this.

the drilling activity has NOTHiNG to do with the PC's. global oil prices are down. dunno how the PC's are involved in that but im sure you will come up with a reason

Exactly!!! Taxes are one of the things that companies look at, but there are far more that are out of governmental control which will stipulate whether a company will do business in Alberta or not.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by raab

Exactly!!! Taxes are one of the things that companies look at, but there are far more that are out of governmental control which will stipulate whether a company will do business in Alberta or not.

so why would you want to push companies away from alberta?

[raab]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

so why would you want to push companies away from alberta?

Going to the average tax rate will push companies from AB? As I said we could raise it to 11% and still have the lowest in the country.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by raab

Going to the average tax rate will push companies from AB? As I said we could raise it to 11% and still have the lowest in the country.

BC is 11%. so we would be tied for lowest, not the lowest

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Holy smokes does any one else here see a trend? the younger Generation( of which shamefully I belong too) has fallen hook line and sinker for this NDP Garbage.

Winston S. Churchill supposedly once observed that anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head. If there’s any truth to the observation, one wonders what to make of today’s college students.

Evolution of the mind. Even I will admit that liberal/socialist policies sounded good when I was a teenager, but as I aged, I understood more how the world works.

Maybe one day I will fully understand.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by raab

I'd vote conservative if I could see a difference between the WR and the PC's. Both cut from the same cloth IMO. I know this after seeing who's running for the WR in my riding.

^^^^^ This is exactly how I feel and this is the reason that I am voting NDP this election. There is no difference between a PC and the WRP. None, whatsoever, they're like the color of a checker board, red and black, versus black and red. Neither party makes a difference in the governing of our province.

Time for a change and Rachel Notley is the only viable alternative. She has balance and common sense on her side, and doesn't have the stink of a conservative following her around.

BW

[fish_e_o]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1429548476

minimum
wage to $15 per hour by 2018.

should a child in high school flipping burgers make $15/hr to start!?!?!

i did it for a third of that and was happy to do it and that wasn't so long ago

Jim Prentice and the PCs are failing
Albertans in health care.
LOOK AT THEIR RECORD, AND
LOOK AT THEIR PLAN:
The Prentice budget will take $1 billion out
of front line health and hospital services

one of the many examples of this...
this is not part of a party platform if i wanted to hear about pc i would read their platform

(3.7) We will end the PCs’ costly
experiments in privatization, and redirect
the funds to publicly delivered services.

what!? why? the people who have used it loved it and it works well

They put big loopholes in their college
and university tuition “cap.” In the result,
tuition has continued to rise in Alberta
year after year, making post-secondary
education still more unaffordable for Alberta
families. Alberta now has the lowest postsecondary
education participation rate
among the provinces, even as Jim Prentice
talks of a “well-educated workforce”.

do they really think that's why? maybe it's because everyone is a welder, driller, or pipe fitter.

To that end, we will introduce a
set of new high-income tax rates
that will ask the top 10% of Alberta
tax filers to contribute according
to their ability to pay: 12% on
taxable income over $125,000 to
$150,000; 13% on taxable income
over $150,000 to $200,000;
14% on taxable income over
$200,000 to $300,000; and 15%
on taxable income over $300,000.

that's what we should do!!! punish the people who work 12+ hour days

Under our plan, everyone else
– 90% of tax filers – gets a break
from the tax

what the .... you can't be serious


i'd pick it apart more but i can't actually take reading it any further

[Smokey]

NDP is not likely to win, even with the latest polls today they would have their work cut out for them to be the opposition. Their support is concentrated in Edmonton, small sections of Calgary and and Lethbridge. I think people can take a deep breath.

Those suggesting NDP is a failed experiment should keep look at Saskatchewan objectively, and stop saying it was all bad, cause it wasn't. I grew up there, farmed there, voted Sask Party, and Conservative. The province was in a mess in the late 80's and 90's, and the NDP cleaned it up. Before Savior Brad Wall came to town, he did not walk into a burning building, the province was already turning around. Now there is alot of rumbling that its not all pie in the sky there. Brad Wall's honeymoon is long gone from what my friends and family say.

I'm not suggesting voting for the NDP, my vote probably won't go there, I'm saying if I had a choice of Prentice or Notley, I'd vote Notley. At least her plan addresses some of the issues. Pc's plan is the same old story, and Wildrose is austerity. I say pick one of the two poisons but don't vote PC.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Smokey

NDP is not likely to win, even with the latest polls today they would have their work cut out for them to be the opposition. Their support is concentrated in Edmonton, small sections of Calgary and and Lethbridge. I think people can take a deep breath.

Those suggesting NDP is a failed experiment should keep look at Saskatchewan objectively, and stop saying it was all bad, cause it wasn't. I grew up there, farmed there, voted Sask Party, and Conservative. The province was in a mess in the late 80's and 90's, and the NDP cleaned it up. Before Savior Brad Wall came to town, he did not walk into a burning building, the province was already turning around. Now there is alot of rumbling that its not all pie in the sky there. Brad Wall's honeymoon is long gone from what my friends and family say.

I'm not suggesting voting for the NDP, my vote probably won't go there, I'm saying if I had a choice of Prentice or Notley, I'd vote Notley. At least her plan addresses some of the issues. Pc's plan is the same old story, and Wildrose is austerity. I say pick one of the two poisons but don't vote PC.

Don't count the chicks before the eggs hatch. The NDP could come right up the middle and split the Conservative vote and win a Minority government. I wonder how many WRP would cross the floor then?

Strange things happen in Politics when an election is called, when one isn't necessary. When an economy is down and the governing party expects the electorate to make up the difference. When they suggest a health care premium to be put into General Revenues, when they suggest they will cut 1 billion from our Health care, when they want to cut the unions, when they pay or paid out exorbitant severance packages, and the list goes on!

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a Minority NDP government on May 6 with a PC opposition and the WRP a close third. I would be willing to bet that if this was the case the remaining WRP would cross the floor to the PC party just because they can!

BW

[Fisherpeak]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Yup, we are doing the same thing.

Over the weekend we had the BIL and SIL over for dinner along with MIL and FIL, (family birthday celebration). The local candidate's mom for the PC party showed up asking for support, and that got us into a family debate, didn't last long we are all voting NDP for the first time ever and we're all proud to do so!



Time for a change!

BW

You will be sorry......................

[blackpheasant]

Originally Posted by fisherpeak

you will be sorry......................

x 1000

[rugatika]

3.3) We will eliminate the PCs’ proposed health care levy, replacing it with a more progressive income tax for the top 10% of tax filers in Alberta, and fairer corporate taxes.
6.2) The top 10% of income earners will contribute a little more. We will introduce a high income, progressive tax system, that asks the top 10%
of tax filers to contribute to public services based on their ability to pay.
• To that end, we will introduce a
set of new high-income tax rates that will ask the top 10% of Alberta tax filers to contribute according
to their ability to pay: 12% on taxable income over $125,000 to $150,000; 13% on taxable income over $150,000 to $200,000;
14% on taxable income over $200,000 to $300,000; and 15% on taxable income over $300,000. Alberta NDP


"...according to their ability to pay..."

Anyone care to guess where that comes from?

“In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!” Karl Marx


(Highlighting mine).


Pretty bold of the NDP to be lifting policy directly from Karl Marx, but then I suppose a lot of people are OK with that.

[Smokey]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Don't count the chicks before the eggs hatch. The NDP could come right up the middle and split the Conservative vote and win a Minority government. I wonder how many WRP would cross the floor then?

Strange things happen in Politics when an election is called, when one isn't necessary. When an economy is down and the governing party expects the electorate to make up the difference. When they suggest a health care premium to be put into General Revenues, when they suggest they will cut 1 billion from our Health care, when they want to cut the unions, when they pay or paid out exorbitant severance packages, and the list goes on!

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a Minority NDP government on May 6 with a PC opposition and the WRP a close third. I would be willing to bet that if this was the case the remaining WRP would cross the floor to the PC party just because they can!

BW

Seat Predictions show that's not possible. Edmonton would have to go completely Orange, and Calgary would have to go at least a third to half, and the PC's would have to be wiped out. I don't see it.

It looks like Minority Territory for Wildrose, and I think the debate will bring some people back to the PC fold. I see the NDP is kinda taboo for people, they like to flirt with it, think about it, and in the end they realize its a hidden desire they must put back in the closet. I think currently their popularity is peaking, and will drop.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

You will be sorry......................

Originally Posted by blackpheasant

x 1000

I don't think so. I know I would be sorry if I voted PC or WRP and we got more of the same old same old. For most of the last several years they have showed there arrogance and ignorance towards their electorate as a whole.

I can no longer support the conservative ideals in this province and that includes the floor crossing WRP!

BW

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Pretty bold of the NDP to be lifting policy directly from Karl Marx, but then I suppose a lot of people are OK with that.

hahaha i'm glad you brought that up what the **** do they mean by that?

certain supporters or loophole finders will pay less? get lost...

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

I don't think so. I know I would be sorry if I voted PC or WRP and we got more of the same old same old. For most of the last several years they have showed there arrogance and ignorance towards their electorate as a whole.

I can no longer support the conservative ideals in this province and that includes the floor crossing WRP!

BW

spoil your ballot out of spite.

don't spoil your future out of spite

[Sneeze]

I am going to vote NDP.

Burn it down and they will go home.

Scorched Earth policy.

Be nice for Alberta to be quiet again. Good fishing, good hunting, affordable land prices.

[Sundancefisher]

Classic case of socialism spending gone bizerk. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32349473

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

I am going to vote NDP.

Burn it down and they will go home.

Scorched Earth policy.

Be nice for Alberta to be quiet again. Good fishing, good hunting, affordable land prices.

you must work for the government

[Bigwoodsman]

Pretty bold of the NDP to be lifting policy directly from Karl Marx, but then I suppose a lot of people are OK with that.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious. More fear mongering by a scared PC party. A party who has realized that calling this election at this time wasn't necessary and isn't playing out as the taro card reader predicted!

BW