Near half of Canadians want a 2023 election, says Ipsos poll. But should Trudeau run?

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by big_plinker

Here we go again. A choice of lesser evils isn't a choice.
And PP doesn't give a crap about western Canadians. He does give a crap about western resources, the same as every other party.
Separation is the only thing that'll help western Canada. If not from Canada with a border, then with the money cycle.
The Only Thing.
Anything else is enabling the demise of our way of life.

Why are you such a liberal supporter?

BW

[big_plinker]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Why are you such a liberal supporter?

BW

Tell me you voted for the toole without telling me anything.
How'd that work out for you?
In essence, you voted for the turd, not me.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by big_plinker

Tell me you voted for the toole without telling me anything.
How'd that work out for you?
In essence, you voted for the turd, not me.

If you voted for anyone but Otoole, you suppoeted Trudeau.

[big_plinker]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you voted for anyone but Otoole, you suppoeted Trudeau.

If you voted for the cpc, you voted for the party that supported the theft of our guns and mandates and lockdowns, just as readily as voting for the liberals.
That's a fact.
Now you get to live with it.
And apparently repeat the same insanity.
Let me know how that plays out.
Like I said, we'll see if I'm wrong.
Wait and see.
Or maybe try patting a different game for a change?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by big_plinker

If you voted for the cpc, you voted for the party that supported the theft of our guns and mandates and lockdowns, just as readily as voting for the liberals.
That's a fact.
Now you get to live with it.
And apparently repeat the same insanity.
Let me know how that plays out.
Like I said, we'll see if I'm wrong.
Wait and see.
Or maybe try patting a different game for a change?

If you voted PPC, you split the right, which helped Trudeau, if you voted NDP. you helped Trudeau. if you voted Green, you helped Trudeau, or you just voted liberal and helped Trudeau. That is really what it comes down to. Only one party has actually relaxed firearms restrictions, and that was the Conservatives under Harper.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you voted PPC, you split the right, which helped Trudeau, if you voted NDP. you helped Trudeau. if you voted Green, you helped Trudeau, or you just voted liberal and helped Trudeau. That is really what it comes down to. Only one party has actually relaxed firearms restrictions, and that was the Conservatives under Harper.

How? Let’s use my riding as an example. Probably one of the bigger PPC vote getters. Yet we seem to be represented by a CPC MP. I’m kind of tired of this split the vote blaming. It’s very myopic.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

How? Let’s use my riding as an example. Probably one of the bigger PPC vote getters. Yet we seem to be represented by a CPC MP. I’m kind of tired of this split the vote blaming. It’s very myopic.

If you looked at the election results after the last federal election, there were several seats where the liberals won, but the cpc and ppc votes totaled more than the liberal votes. So vote splitting did give the liberals those seats.

[big_plinker]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you looked at the election results after the last federal election, there were several seats where the liberals won, but the cpc and ppc votes totaled more than the liberal votes. So vote splitting did give the liberals those seats.

Funny, I've seen that disproved on more than one occasion.
Which is COMPLETELY irrelevant to my point: PP will do nothing to correct the path this country is on. Just more division and more conquering from the outside.
I'll wait to gladly new proven wrong.
But I won't be.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you voted for anyone but Otoole, you suppoeted Trudeau.

Hard to tell the difference between the two...

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Hard to tell the difference between the two...

Ain’t that the truth

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by big_plinker

Funny, I've seen that disproved on more than one occasion.
Which is COMPLETELY irrelevant to my point: PP will do nothing to correct the path this country is on. Just more division and more conquering from the outside.
I'll wait to gladly new proven wrong.
But I won't be.

Of course since PP has never been PM, your opinion is just baseless speculation. As for the vote splitting, the Edmonton liberal seat is one example of where the liberals won a seat while the conservatives/ppc had more votes. Taking a look at the individual seats, there are around 10 more across the country.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

How? Let’s use my riding as an example. Probably one of the bigger PPC vote getters. Yet we seem to be represented by a CPC MP. I’m kind of tired of this split the vote blaming. It’s very myopic.

Originally Posted by big_plinker

If you voted for the cpc, you voted for the party that supported the theft of our guns and mandates and lockdowns, just as readily as voting for the liberals.
That's a fact.
Now you get to live with it.
And apparently repeat the same insanity.
Let me know how that plays out.
Like I said, we'll see if I'm wrong.
Wait and see.
Or maybe try patting a different game for a change?

Hahahahahahaha. So as I’ve said before federal politics will never amount to western or Alberta’s separation. Do you think the GTA will vote the Alberta separation party into power? (Actually if we started a “banish Alberta” party it might work) Regardless, no federal party will help your ambitions of separation. Ever. Even on a provincial level I’ve given up on the dream. I know it’ll never happen even though I’ve been pining for it since Kyoto. You should consider moving to a freer country.

The PPC has no,and I mean NOOOOOOO interest in separating Alberta from Canada. As much as I like what Maxine says some times it’s all crap and he will never ever even garner the political clout of Elizabeth May.

You best start working on garnering more separation support here in Alberta before you ever worry about moving the fight to a federal level. Until then, you have 3 (2 really) choices. Jagmeat, Justin, or PP who wants to be fiscally conservative, reverse many gun laws, restore border controls, change sentencing for criminals, streamline professional accreditations, reduce taxes and many other things that make mine and your life better in the meantime.

Maxine will never be anything. Trust me it hurts for me to tell you that, but it’s true.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Hahahahahahaha. So as I’ve said before federal politics will never amount to western or Alberta’s separation. Do you think the GTA will vote the Alberta separation party into power? (Actually if we started a “banish Alberta” party it might work) Regardless, no federal party will help your ambitions of separation. Ever. Even on a provincial level I’ve given up on the dream. I know it’ll never happen even though I’ve been pining for it since Kyoto. You should consider moving to a freer country.

The PPC has no,and I mean NOOOOOOO interest in separating Alberta from Canada. As much as I like what Maxine says some times it’s all crap and he will never ever even garner the political clout of Elizabeth May.

You best start working on garnering more separation support here in Alberta before you ever worry about moving the fight to a federal level. Until then, you have 3 (2 really) choices. Jagmeat, Justin, or PP who wants to be fiscally conservative, reverse many gun laws, restore border controls, change sentencing for criminals, streamline professional accreditations, reduce taxes and many other things that make mine and your life better in the meantime.

Maxine will never be anything. Trust me it hurts for me to tell you that, but it’s true.

Max will continue to help Trudeau, by splitting votes, which helps Trudeau. The single liberal seat in Edmonton is one seat that Max helped to get for Trudeau.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Ain’t that the truth

I won’t argue with that statement. I wouldn’t vote for trudeau’s platform in 2015, I wasn’t voting for the same platform when O’Toole presented it either. PP and otoole are miles apart though.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Max will continue to help Trudeau, by splitting votes, which helps Trudeau. The single liberal seat in Edmonton is one seat that Max helped to get for Trudeau.

I will disagree with you to a point. Maxine is the result of alienating a base. Many of the Maxine voters were sending a message to otoole. Without them Pierre wouldn’t be leader right now. Many of Maxine’s voters wouldn’t have cast a ballot if they couldn’t vote for Maxine and tell the CPC to quit being liberals. Otoole and Trudeau were only about three atoms apart on the lefty scale. Otoole was never a conservative. If Trudeau crossed the floor and became leader of the CPC would you still vote for the CPC?

[big_plinker]

I just really don't understand how you can take anything I've said as indicating we, the prairies, have any chance in this country on a federal level.
That's just the numbers. GTA has more say than the prairies, 'democratically' speaking.
Until we change how this country runs, get rid of that now inarguably filthy crown, get rid of Ottawa having all say in the prairies, the prairies are going to be ignored.
And voting for the cpc or the liberals or any federal party won't change that.

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I will disagree with you to a point. Maxine is the result of alienating a base. Many of the Maxine voters were sending a message to otoole. Without them Pierre wouldn’t be leader right now. Many of Maxine’s voters wouldn’t have cast a ballot if they couldn’t vote for Maxine and tell the CPC to quit being liberals. Otoole and Trudeau were only about three atoms apart on the lefty scale. Otoole was never a conservative. If Trudeau crossed the floor and became leader of the CPC would you still vote for the CPC?

Now that is just silly. even a blind guy in a dark room knows there is no light at the end of that tunnel.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I will disagree with you to a point. Maxine is the result of alienating a base. Many of the Maxine voters were sending a message to otoole. Without them Pierre wouldn’t be leader right now. Many of Maxine’s voters wouldn’t have cast a ballot if they couldn’t vote for Maxine and tell the CPC to quit being liberals. Otoole and Trudeau were only about three atoms apart on the lefty scale. Otoole was never a conservative. If Trudeau crossed the floor and became leader of the CPC would you still vote for the CPC?

Otoole was an idiot, but even he was an improvement over Trudeau, just not a huge improvement. The one good thing that Otoole did was convince PP to run.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by big_plinker

I just really don't understand how you can take anything I've said as indicating we, the prairies, have any chance in this country on a federal level.
That's just the numbers. GTA has more say than the prairies, 'democratically' speaking.
Until we change how this country runs, get rid of that now inarguably filthy crown, get rid of Ottawa having all say in the prairies, the prairies are going to be ignored.
And voting for the cpc or the liberals or any federal party won't change that.

I absolutely agree. How do we get rid of that filthy crown, and Ottawa?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

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Now that is just silly. even a blind guy in a dark room knows there is no light at the end of that tunnel.

Hahaha. Otoole shed next to no light either.

[big_plinker]

The way things are going, and the speed with which things are progressing, I think it's going to take a little bit of good old fashioned non-participation.
Violence won't work, unless the violence is started elsewhere. But as a start, stopping our resources going south, that'll get some attention.