Leduc RCMP investigate burn out in crosswalk as hate crime

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by albertadave

What a load of……

Painting a rainbow sidewalk is making a statement. A burnout on the same sidewalk is also making a statement. Neither one physically hurt anyone. Both are just some markings on pavement. Both are offensive to the eye, depending where your opinions fall.
How is one validated and “celebrated” (by some people), and the other is considered a hate crime (by the same people)?

Wrong. Calgary transit sucks often. Smashing bus shelters to claim I’m making a statement is ludicrous.

What are people saying here.

Certain vandalism is okay. Vandalizing to make a statement is okay. Vandalizing a statue is not okay. I don’t like something I will vandalize it to feel better.

So… if it’s LGBTQ related it’s okay to vandalize it if it bothers me… but hey it’s not because of hate.

People get away with vandalizing a statue so people should be allowed to vandalize a specially painted crosswalk.

Sigh.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

OK to start. Everything you say about conservatism is absolutely wrong. Not one thing you mention is a conservative value.

So if this guy walks around the community beating people up, would there be a law against that already? Also, what does that have to do about this? Do you have to reach to the extreme to create a terrorist in yout head to justify your nonsense.

You truly are tiresome.

I don’t care about the marks. If its in a rainbow crosswalk or standard crosswalk its the same thing. Even if its somebody skidding to a stop. To paint on a road and be upset about tire marks is the absolute depth of stupidity. It is actually creating ways for people to “hate”.

So your definition of conservative is big government, segregation of society and laws to control what you do in bed. Scary.

I’m now scared to add I’m a fiscal conservative.

Yes. If someone walks around beating people up… there is a law for that. If that person is only attacking a certain race then it would be elevated to a hate crime also. It’s a law. Been around a long time.

What I’m saying is it’s an investigation. No one has stated it is a hate crime. Media has marginally sensationalized it by posting it. Then internet police have jumped on it and sensationalized it to the extreme. Making an investigation into vandalism some kind of terrible police operation. Without even considering how much resources are being used lol.

I’ve pointed out the hypocrisy that vandalizing any property is wrong but some say it’s okay depending upon if it’s something they don’t care about.

Some people on here on other threads lament the lack of policing and use this policing as a sign they aren’t policing correctly.

I don’t think much about the rainbow crosswalks. When I see them I note they add a little colour to the area.

If someone hit their brakes and skidded across the crosswalk… I’d say woopty ding. No biggie.

Someone that clearly went out of their way to zig back and forth over it says a lot about their poor character and lack of respect of public property.

Sad days we have when people’s bias determines when vandals are nice people or criminals.

you are not tiresome. I don’t mind debating with you. We can always differ on an opinion about law and still fish and drink scotch together.

Cheers

Sun

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So your definition of conservative is big government, segregation of society and laws to control what you do in bed. Scary.

I’m now scared to add I’m a fiscal conservative.

Yes. If someone walks around beating people up… there is a law for that. If that person is only attacking a certain race then it would be elevated to a hate crime also. It’s a law. Been around a long time.

What I’m saying is it’s an investigation. No one has stated it is a hate crime. Media has marginally sensationalized it by posting it. Then internet police have jumped on it and sensationalized it to the extreme. Making an investigation into vandalism some kind of terrible police operation. Without even considering how much resources are being used lol.

I’ve pointed out the hypocrisy that vandalizing any property is wrong but some say it’s okay depending upon if it’s something they don’t care about.

Some people on here on other threads lament the lack of policing and use this policing as a sign they aren’t policing correctly.

I don’t think much about the rainbow crosswalks. When I see them I note they add a little colour to the area.

If someone hit their brakes and skidded across the crosswalk… I’d say woopty ding. No biggie.

Someone that clearly went out of their way to zig back and forth over it says a lot about their poor character and lack of respect of public property.

Sad days we have when people’s bias determines when vandals are nice people or criminals.

you are not tiresome. I don’t mind debating with you. We can always differ on an opinion about law and still fish and drink scotch together.

Cheers

Sun

All vandalism is wrong, but to single out some vandalism , and elevate it to hate crime status, while ignoring other vandalism altogether is also wrong. We could look at the statues that were vandalized, and we would realize that the people that they represent, are all of one race, but oddly enough, those crimes were not investigated as hate crimes, in fact some were witnessed by the police, and no charges were laid. My point is that the police and prosecutors choose which vandalisms to investigate, and which ones to ignore, based on virtue signaling, and promoting certain agendas, rather than on enforcing our laws.

[Swede]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly my point, how often is graffiti or damaging/painting statues or monuments treated as a hate crime? The suspects are typically charged with mischief if they are charged at all. The police have been seen in videos, standing by and watching it happen, with no charges against the people doing the damage. To single this incident out as a hate crime, is simply virtue signaling.

As far as I know only once in Canada did they call defacing a statue a hate crime.

https://www.reddit.com/r/metacanada/...nted_in_black/

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

All vandalism is wrong, but to single out some vandalism , and elevate it to hate crime status, while ignoring other vandalism altogether is also wrong. We could look at the statues that were vandalized, and we would realize that the people that they represent, are all of one race, but oddly enough, those crimes were not investigated as hate crimes, in fact some were witnessed by the police, and no charges were laid. My point is that the police and prosecutors choose which vandalisms to investigate, and which ones to ignore, based on virtue signaling, and promoting certain agendas, rather than on enforcing our laws.

I agree and said before. Anyone defacing or vandalizing property should be punished regardless.

However… someone who vandalizes all the cars on the block is one level of crime. If a person only targets the cars of a specific group of people… it’s another level.

You can’t stretch and say vandalizing statues that were predominately white leaders in a country that at the time was primarily white is racists to whites.

Correlation does not imply causation. However there is far too much latitude given to protesters to vandalize only if they are protesting socialist ideas or climate it seems these days.

If the police are picking and choosing as in virtue signaling… that is incredibly wrong to do.

Overall for the most part I feel we are in agreement I feel.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by KC1

Scumbag loser
Garbage human
Offender
The worst

I say just some kids having fun

Kids just having fun? Really?

So let’s say you have a teenage kid and they get escorted home one Friday night by the local cop. You’re probably going to be disappointed to hear they were out doing burnouts on the road. You will probably be angry but I’ll grant you they were just out having fun and not much harm was done. I’d be ****ed my kid would be out there doing that crap but whatever. You give the “don’t let it happen again” speech and move on.

Let’s change the scenario a bit. Your teenage kid gets escorted home by the cop. But instead of a simple burnout and some rubber on the road your teenage son decided to do it on the newly painted crosswalk that clearly has meaning and significance to a certain group of people. These are two very different scenarios. As a parent I would treat this second incident much more seriously. I would be angry at myself for raising someone who thought this was in any way acceptable. Long story short, my kid if he was ever doing anything like defacing any symbol for any group of people he would be getting a serious life adjustment immediately.

[KC1]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

Kids just having fun? Really?

So let’s say you have a teenage kid and they get escorted home one Friday night by the local cop. You’re probably going to be disappointed to hear they were out doing burnouts on the road. You will probably be angry but I’ll grant you they were just out having fun and not much harm was done. I’d be ****ed my kid would be out there doing that crap but whatever. You give the “don’t let it happen again” speech and move on.

Let’s change the scenario a bit. Your teenage kid gets escorted home by the cop. But instead of a simple burnout and some rubber on the road your teenage son decided to do it on the newly painted crosswalk that clearly has meaning and significance to a certain group of people. These are two very different scenarios. As a parent I would treat this second incident much more seriously. I would be angry at myself for raising someone who thought this was in any way acceptable. Long story short, my kid if he was ever doing anything like defacing any symbol for any group of people he would be getting a serious life adjustment immediately.

OK, here we go
Agreed with the first scenario
Now about the second scenario
The same thing has happened in lethbridge
Dutch farm boys, and I am a Dutch farmer myself, doing burnouts on the gay crosswalk
This has another reason as well, not saying we condone vandalism.
But our kids are raised according to the Bible, that homosexuality is a big sin, Sodom and Gomorrah got destroyed because of it, see genesis 19
So our boys see Sodomites as sinners, who live contrary to the Bible and to nature
So they take it a step further and have some fun at the crosswalk
Not saying it's good, but I can't get angry at them either
I can have a rant about gays, but better not derail the thread.

[Trochu]

Yay, for once on AO we all agree, no point in discussing it further.