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[Salavee]

Originally Posted by HW223

Repeatable is the problem , if you look at the link my take away from it is at long range there is a variable that is out of the shooters control and that is wind , can’t hold for it if you can’t see it , we call it the lottery effect , its present at all distances the further the distance the more prevelent it gets , in short range with wind flags it can be mitigated to a large extent , long range with no flags it’s a luck shoot

Totally agree. Another is the ability to range precisely..almost to the foot in some cases. Not many Range Finders or RF operators have the ability to do that in the field.

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by HW223

Repeatable is the problem , if you look at the link my take away from it is at long range there is a variable that is out of the shooters control and that is wind , can’t hold for it if you can’t see it , we call it the lottery effect , its present at all distances the further the distance the more prevelent it gets , in short range with wind flags it can be mitigated to a large extent , long range with no flags it’s a luck shoot

The difference is when shooting at game at long range, you miss but see your miss, the animal often has no idea what happened, and you can adjust your second or third shot to hit. We call it the bolt action repeater effect.
The only scorecard is Boone and Crockett here, if anyone really cares about that...

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

The difference is when shooting at game at long range, you miss but see your miss, the animal often has no idea what happened, and you can adjust your second or third shot to hit. We call it the bolt action repeater effect.
The only scorecard is Boone and Crockett here, if anyone really cares about that...

That must work considering how many do it. Just hope that first shot missed completely or ... you know the rest.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Totally agree. Another is the ability to range precisely..almost to the foot in some cases. Not many Range Finders or RF operators have the ability to do that in the field.

Rangefind to the foot eh.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by chuck

Rangefind to the foot eh.

yaaaaa havent seen too many that are accurate to the foot

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by chuck

Rangefind to the foot eh.

I think i said almost a foot. Some RF's can do it to 1/2 yd. .like in 703.4 yds. Where have you been?

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Salavee

I think i said almost a foot. Some RF's can do it to 1/2 yd. .like in 703.4 yds. Where have you been?

none of the zeiss, leica, or swaro rf binos ive had have measured to a decimal place

neither has the g7 br2

most are plus/minus a couple yards after 500 anyways

[marky_mark]

I understand what your getting at though on accurately ranging a target

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

I think i said almost a foot. Some RF's can do it to 1/2 yd. .like in 703.4 yds. Where have you been?

What rangefinder do you use?

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

I understand what your getting at though on accurately ranging a target

That's all I was getting at, but leave it to Chuck lol . Range finder's (Distance Measuring Device) are bulit to suit all types of diciiplines... golf being just one other, with hunting being only a portion of the total market. Zeiss,Swaro and the others ,selling ultra high end range finders with 1/2 yd capability to that market wouldn't be practical. But they're out there and they are in the very expensive category.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

That's all I was getting at, but leave it to Chuck lol . Range finder's (Distance Measuring Device) are bulit to suit all types of diciiplines... golf being just one other, with hunting being only a portion of the total market. Zeiss,Swaro and the others ,selling ultra high end range finders with 1/2 yd capability to that market wouldn't be practical. But they're out there and they are in the very expensive category.

What rangefinder are you using?

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by chuck

What rangefinder are you using?

Chuck... it's only a bulky old Bushnell.

[HW223]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

The difference is when shooting at game at long range, you miss but see your miss, the animal often has no idea what happened, and you can adjust your second or third shot to hit. We call it the bolt action repeater effect.
The only scorecard is Boone and Crockett here, if anyone really cares about that...

Second or third shot ? That is the lottery effect , you should get closer

[HW223]

Originally Posted by chuck

What rangefinder are you using?

I have a bushnell , lieca and a sig , non of them can tell me what the wind is doing between me and a target at long distance ,

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

The difference is when shooting at game at long range, you miss but see your miss, the animal often has no idea what happened, and you can adjust your second or third shot to hit. We call it the bolt action repeater effect.
The only scorecard is Boone and Crockett here, if anyone really cares about that...

Unless of course the first shot knocks off a leg, or is a gut shot, and the animal runs off for miles. It can happen at any distance, but the longer the shot, the more likely it is to happen.

[Pathfinder76]

All I know for sure is that a 1” gun can cleanly take big game out to 500 yds. If the wind is howling get closer. Even with a 1/2” gun. I’ve found that bullet construction matters more than that extra 1/2” accuracy. Rifle reliability is far mor important than gnat shoulder accuracy. Wandering zeros are absolutely no good. Knowing your range is a must past 250 yards. Field conditions can render rangefinders useless at times. And, the more I shoot the less I know for sure.

Accuracy is great, I chase it all the time. But in many cases it’s a fools errand and gets far more air time than it should at the expense of so much more.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Unless of course the first shot knocks off a leg, or is a gut shot, and the animal runs off for miles. It can happen at any distance, but the longer the shot, the more likely it is to happen.

Hard to tell if he's serious or not. I'll choose the latter and hope to hell that he wasn't.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by chuck

All I know for sure is that a 1” gun can cleanly take big game out to 500 yds. If the wind is howling get closer. Even with a 1/2” gun. I’ve found that bullet construction matters more than that extra 1/2” accuracy. Rifle reliability is far mor important than gnat shoulder accuracy. Wandering zeros are absolutely no good. Knowing your range is a must past 250 yards. Field conditions can render rangefinders useless at times. And, the more I shoot the less I know for sure.

Accuracy is great, I chase it all the time. But in many cases it’s a fools errand and gets far more air time than it should at the expense of so much more.

Have you ever considered giving others the benefit of the doubt Chuck? It just could be that a few others have as much ,or more, practical experience and knowledge than you are ever likely to gain the rest of your life. At least, try and treat others as being comparitively equal to yourself. It's nicer that way and you wont have to keep up with that condescending attitude.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Have you ever considered giving others the benefit of the doubt Chuck? It just could be that a few others have as much ,or more, practical experience and knowledge than you are ever likely to gain the rest of your life. At least, try and treat others as being comparitively equal to yourself. It's nicer that way and you wont have to keep up with that condescending attitude.

Be honest. Give advice based on experience. It’s that simple.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by chuck

Be honest. Give advice based on experience. It’s that simple.

I'll do my best. Promise.

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by HW223

Second or third shot ? That is the lottery effect , you should get closer

Of course. But it's hunting and not benchrest. Sometimes you gotta take what's given.

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Unless of course the first shot knocks off a leg, or is a gut shot, and the animal runs off for miles. It can happen at any distance, but the longer the shot, the more likely it is to happen.

**** happens. You can pretend to never miss your mark, or shoot beyond your means on the internet. Typically your style...
That's what's great about hunting. Personal decisions, no one looking over your shoulder judging your decisions and ability.

Like chuck said, killing game is never perfected however you can get good at it with repetition.
Next time I'll bring a few wind flags

[Bushrat]

'Who has seen the wind'?

Walking shots in at long distance to hopefully kill an animal is using animals for practice shooting, It's nothing more than guesstimating where your going to land the next bullet not hunting. I prefer targets for that sort of practice not animals. I call it WAGS.... Wild ass guess shooting

[Deer Hunter]

Guess I'm the only person who has missed a shot at an animal.
I'm ok with that.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Of course. But it's hunting and not benchrest. Sometimes you gotta take what's given.




**** happens. You can pretend to never miss your mark, or shoot beyond your means on the internet. Typically your style...
That's what's great about hunting. Personal decisions, no one looking over your shoulder judging your decisions and ability.

Like chuck said, killing game is never perfected however you can get good at it with repetition.
Next time I'll bring a few wind flags

Some people may consider using live game animals to develop their shooting skills, acceptable, but I prefer to do that with targets. I don't claim to never have missed a shot at a big game animal, as I started hunting at 12 and early in my hunting career, I took shots that I shouldn't have taken. However, I learned from those mistakes, and for the past few decades, I have only taken very high percentage shots, so missed/wounding shots have been very rare. I use quality equipment, and I shoot more than most people , but I turn down shots that are not high percentage. Last year a youth filled my antlered mule deer tag , but when a whitetail buck appeared on the bush line about 400 yards away, we did not allow him to shoot at it , since he had never shot that far in his life, at targets. Learning to choose the shots that are within your capabilities , is just as important as learning the other hunting skills. And if your only opportunity involves a low percentage shot where you are even considering requiring a second shot, I will pass. The same applies to wingshooting, too many people wound more birds than they kill, because they are shooting at 60-70 yards, when their shooting skills are lacking at 20 yards. I take out a fair number of new shooters, but if they turn out to be the type that goes by the "if there is lead in the air, there is a chance" philosophy, they are never invited out again.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Some people may consider using live game animals to develop their shooting skills, acceptable, but I prefer to do that with targets. I don't claim to never have missed a shot at a big game animal, as I started hunting at 12 and early in my hunting career, I took shots that I shouldn't have taken. However, I learned from those mistakes, and for the past few decades, I have only taken very high percentage shots, so missed/wounding shots have been very rare. I use quality equipment, and I shoot more than most people , but I turn down shots that are not high percentage. Last year a youth filled my antlered mule deer tag , but when a whitetail buck appeared on the bush line about 400 yards away, we did not allow him to shoot at it , since he had never shot that far in his life, at targets. Learning to choose the shots that are within your capabilities , is just as important as learning the other hunting skills. And if your only opportunity involves a low percentage shot where you are even considering requiring a second shot, I will pass. The same applies to wingshooting, too many people wound more birds than they kill, because they are shooting at 60-70 yards, when their shooting skills are lacking at 20 yards. I take out a fair number of new shooters, but if they turn out to be the type that goes by the "if there is lead in the air, there is a chance" philosophy, they are never invited out again.

No one here is advocating developing shooting skills on game. But there is absolutely no substitute for becoming a good game shot than actually doing it. Anyone that says otherwise is being a bit disingenuous.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Guess I'm the only person who has missed a shot at an animal.
I'm ok with that.

The point is that when a shot is missed on an animal, it is supposed to give you a reality check on your skills, and you adjust your process so it doesnt happen again. But you come on here shelling out advice that its acceptable to take shots beyond your competent distance

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

The point is that when a shot is missed on an animal, it is supposed to give you a reality check on your skills, and you adjust your process so it doesnt happen again. But you come on here shelling out advice that its acceptable to take shots beyond your competent distance

Hunting lessons. Free on AO...

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by chuck

No one here is advocating developing shooting skills on game. But there is absolutely no substitute for becoming a good game shot than actually doing it. Anyone that says otherwise is being a bit disingenuous.

So is walking in long distance shots on game animals acceptable to you?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So is walking in long distance shots on game animals acceptable to you?

Where did I even begin to hint at that?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by chuck

Where did I even begin to hint at that?

Another poster did, but I am curious as to your opinion.