Man hunts muskox in northern alberta

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB

Lol so I emailed our UCP about this, gotta say I am please with how they responded. NDP probably would have deleted the email.



So then I said



And he said



So if ya see one.....

A government ruling I actually agree with?
I don't know if Im ecstatic or in total shock.
Either way time to find me a muskox to fill the freezer

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

A government ruling I actually agree with?
I don't know if Im ecstatic or in total shock.
Either way time to find me a muskox to fill the freezer

You and me both man, you and me both.


I actually didn't know how to respond when I read the email.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I don’t know what part gets me the most.
Shooting an extremely rare animal in Alberta or comparing the taste to caribou. I’ll even bet money he is referring to Alberta’s threatened caribou. Maybe the driving up to the animal and executing it.

This guy is exactly what I hate, no matter the skin colour.

I guess this raises the question, would you shoot a Sasquatch if you saw one ? About as rare.

Grizz

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

I guess this raises the question, would you shoot a Sasquatch if you saw one ? About as rare.

Grizz

Mature bigfoot or calf bigfoot, or maybe doe bigfoot. Like maybe a doe bigfoot who does nothing but nag mature bigfoot all day long and doesnt cook. Lots of variables in that decision.

[Brian Bildson]

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Be nice if a guy ran into a Stone sheep that wandered into Alberta

LC

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

the irony in this is freaking hilarious.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

Seems odd we have 2 classes of citizens in a "free" and "equal" country.

I wish we had more moose in this province, wonder where they went.

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB

Seems odd we have 2 classes of citizens in a "free" and "equal" country.

I wish we had more moose in this province, wonder where they went.

the good ol deflection.. come on. Laugh at the irony in his post.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Ronaround

'':
this is getting Good.
we gave them casinos/cigarettes and liquor in the USA.

....

[angler1]

I happen to know a few generations of the Marcel clan quite well and have stayed under their roof and shared meals with them. They are good people. The animals they kill are used for food. Unlike some of the people here who showho show piles of dead geese in the field or "trophy" hunters who could care a less about the meat. First nations people like hunters should not be painted with the same brush. My two bits.

[angler1]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

X2

[Albertadiver]

I was just up in Fort Chip a few weeks ago. The hunting all around there is very poor. The only way to find anything is to head up/down river or across the lake.

It's too bad the muskox got shot. Guaranteed that if this fellow didn't shoot it, his neighbor would have.

I know some of the officers posted up there, if they had clear evidence of something illegal like shooting from a truck they wouldn't hesitate to lay charges.

They don't get after the locals for driving quads on the roads or towing other vehicles with ropes, but they don't mess around with criminal activity. There's been a few very solid and recent busts up there.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

Originally Posted by angler1

X2

They probably wouldn't get dumped on if they were reasonable hunters. I could make a long long list of all the "traditional" things they do while hunting but I won't bother. I'm sure some are but many aren't.

Fair is fair, why would I pass up on a muskox if I saw one when I know for sure the next native that sees it will plug it. Maybe even a non-native would shoot it because as you saw in that email there's no season so they can be shot by anyone. Surprised at that? Me too, me too. #metoo.

[Brian Bildson]

A stranger shows up on a rich landowners piece of property. He asks if he could live on the piece of land too, because its so big surely the landowner could share it?

Landowner is a reasonable guy and says there's plenty of land for both of us so I will share with you. They share the land for a while but it's a pretty good property and the stranger would really like his friends to come live there also.

Slowly more and more strangers show up and start to push the landowner and his family off his own land.

The stranger can see where this is going and is a bit nervous about the landowner, as after all his family has been on that land for many generations and might get upset about all the new comers.

The Stranger cuts an unbelievable deal with the landowner. Takes the best land, opens it up to all his friends and family and in return tells the landowner he and his family can go move onto a small portion of his original land. Oh and you can hunt and fish to feed yourself too. And they put the agreement on paper and the stranger laughs to himself about what a sweet deal he got.

Several generations later the strangers ancestors, who by now have become self righteous entitled "pioneers" figure those pesky originals got too good a deal, why the heck do they get to hunt and fish when I can't?

Bet that original landowner would give up those hunting and fishing rights in return for their land back.
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A bunch of you guys couldn't wait to use a muskox kill to attack first nation hunting rights. Canadians need to learn their own history. We made a contract called treaties, and for hundreds of years reaped the benefits. We didn't kill our first nations like our neighbors. No we just subjugated them, tore family's apart, tried to kill their culture and created our own system of apartheid that existed up until I was a kid.

You can say that you didn't do all those things personally and its time to move on, but that's not how it works. If all these things happened to your culture how would you feel about the treaty deal? Would you trade your life to go live in a First Nation community? I'm hoping the next generation will do better but all I see is an increase in tribalism in this world. Back to the stone age I guess

[35 whelen]

Let First Nations hunt and fish all they want just let him use the tools that they had when these treaties were signed.

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[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

Let First Nations hunt and fish all they want just let him use the tools that they had when these treaties were signed.

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Sounds reasonable to me.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

A stranger shows up on a rich landowners piece of property. He asks if he could live on the piece of land too, because its so big surely the landowner could share it?

Landowner is a reasonable guy and says there's plenty of land for both of us so I will share with you. They share the land for a while but it's a pretty good property and the stranger would really like his friends to come live there also.

Slowly more and more strangers show up and start to push the landowner and his family off his own land.

The stranger can see where this is going and is a bit nervous about the landowner, as after all his family has been on that land for many generations and might get upset about all the new comers.

The Stranger cuts an unbelievable deal with the landowner. Takes the best land, opens it up to all his friends and family and in return tells the landowner he and his family can go move onto a small portion of his original land. Oh and you can hunt and fish to feed yourself too. And they put the agreement on paper and the stranger laughs to himself about what a sweet deal he got.

Several generations later the strangers ancestors, who by now have become self righteous entitled "pioneers" figure those pesky originals got too good a deal, why the heck do they get to hunt and fish when I can't?

Bet that original landowner would give up those hunting and fishing rights in return for their land back.
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A bunch of you guys couldn't wait to use a muskox kill to attack first nation hunting rights. Canadians need to learn their own history. We made a contract called treaties, and for hundreds of years reaped the benefits. We didn't kill our first nations like our neighbors. No we just subjugated them, tore family's apart, tried to kill their culture and created our own system of apartheid that existed up until I was a kid.

You can say that you didn't do all those things personally and its time to move on, but that's not how it works. If all these things happened to your culture how would you feel about the treaty deal? Would you trade your life to go live in a First Nation community? I'm hoping the next generation will do better but all I see is an increase in tribalism in this world. Back to the stone age I guess

There wad a time my family wasn't allowed to speak their native tongue or wear their traditional clothing either on threat of death and I am 100% white ! My family were called Jacobites
Cat

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

A stranger shows up on a rich landowners piece of property. He asks if he could live on the piece of land too, because its so big surely the landowner could share it?

Landowner is a reasonable guy and says there's plenty of land for both of us so I will share with you. They share the land for a while but it's a pretty good property and the stranger would really like his friends to come live there also.

Slowly more and more strangers show up and start to push the landowner and his family off his own land.

The stranger can see where this is going and is a bit nervous about the landowner, as after all his family has been on that land for many generations and might get upset about all the new comers.

The Stranger cuts an unbelievable deal with the landowner. Takes the best land, opens it up to all his friends and family and in return tells the landowner he and his family can go move onto a small portion of his original land. Oh and you can hunt and fish to feed yourself too. And they put the agreement on paper and the stranger laughs to himself about what a sweet deal he got.

Several generations later the strangers ancestors, who by now have become self righteous entitled "pioneers" figure those pesky originals got too good a deal, why the heck do they get to hunt and fish when I can't?

Bet that original landowner would give up those hunting and fishing rights in return for their land back.
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A bunch of you guys couldn't wait to use a muskox kill to attack first nation hunting rights. Canadians need to learn their own history. We made a contract called treaties, and for hundreds of years reaped the benefits. We didn't kill our first nations like our neighbors. No we just subjugated them, tore family's apart, tried to kill their culture and created our own system of apartheid that existed up until I was a kid.

You can say that you didn't do all those things personally and its time to move on, but that's not how it works. If all these things happened to your culture how would you feel about the treaty deal? Would you trade your life to go live in a First Nation community? I'm hoping the next generation will do better but all I see is an increase in tribalism in this world. Back to the stone age I guess

You are absolutely right.

It's so easy to judge from the comforts of a modern suburban home, quiet anther thing to live in brown skin.

I would like to write a whole lot about this subject but I know no one wants to read it.

So I'll just say, I have learned about first nations people by living among them, not from reading books.

I am glad to say, many of my closest friends are first nations people and I am not afraid to say so.

Let the haters hate, they loose more then they will ever know.

I'd rather spend the rest of my life living on a reserve then to spend one minute with a hater.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

I would post up that this is disgusting but apparently CBC comments are disabled on this story

CBC disables comment when ever it's about natives

[KegRiver]

I don't understand why anyone who knows wildlife and hunts would be concerned about this one animal.

It had zero chance of reproducing and little chance of surviving for any length of time. In this environment and without a herd it would be at a huge disadvantage and face far more predators then it would in it's native habitat.

To me it makes more sense to harvest it to support a family then to let it become food for predators that ultimately deplete game populations.

Especially when 99 percent of those who post objections would not hesitate to drop it if they had the chance.

And considering that there is zero chance that any of us or our friends or relatives would get a chance to see it, even if it beat the odds and lived a long life.

[marky_mark]

That’s funny
Drop me anywhere In western Canada and if I can drive far enough to see 3 houses I can tell you if I’m on a reserve or not

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

There wad a time my family wasn't allowed to speak their native tongue or wear their traditional clothing either on threat of death and I am 100% white ! My family were called Jacobites
Cat

You are Scotts! Cool, so am I. Or rather my dad was. My mom was Hinglish. LOL.

[lannie]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

A stranger shows up on a rich landowners piece of property. He asks if he could live on the piece of land too, because its so big surely the landowner could share it?

Landowner is a reasonable guy and says there's plenty of land for both of us so I will share with you. They share the land for a while but it's a pretty good property and the stranger would really like his friends to come live there also.

Slowly more and more strangers show up and start to push the landowner and his family off his own land.

The stranger can see where this is going and is a bit nervous about the landowner, as after all his family has been on that land for many generations and might get upset about all the new comers.

The Stranger cuts an unbelievable deal with the landowner. Takes the best land, opens it up to all his friends and family and in return tells the landowner he and his family can go move onto a small portion of his original land. Oh and you can hunt and fish to feed yourself too. And they put the agreement on paper and the stranger laughs to himself about what a sweet deal he got.

Several generations later the strangers ancestors, who by now have become self righteous entitled "pioneers" figure those pesky originals got too good a deal, why the heck do they get to hunt and fish when I can't?

Bet that original landowner would give up those hunting and fishing rights in return for their land back.


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A bunch of you guys couldn't wait to use a muskox kill to attack first nation hunting rights. Canadians need to learn their own history. We made a contract called treaties, and for hundreds of years reaped the benefits. We didn't kill our first nations like our neighbors. No we just subjugated them, tore family's apart, tried to kill their culture and created our own system of apartheid that existed up until I was a kid.

You can say that you didn't do all those things personally and its time to move on, but that's not how it works. If all these things happened to your culture how would you feel about the treaty deal? Would you trade your life to go live in a First Nation community? I'm hoping the next generation will do better but all I see is an increase in tribalism in this world. Back to the stone age I guess

Those ancestors made a mistake. They should never offered any treaty at all.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by lannie

I don't think they would want the land back AND return to the way they were living. The treaties were the mistake. They would have been much better off today if they had started as most losers from wars start.

Treaties may have been a mistake but if so it was a mistake made by both parties and one we well could have made had we been the ones at the negotiating table.

One has to remember that back then it was a lot different. Everyone thought that game would remain plentiful forever, the land seemed endless and no one knew how to use a crystal ball.

There was not one individual that was involved in any way with those treaties that had any clue what the world would be like today.

The bigger problem is what can be done to fix the problem today.

On the one hand a treaty is a contract. By the terms of that contract we are obligated to honor it for eternity. We have no legal means to alter the term of any treaty in any way without the other parties agreement.

And why would they agree to alter them. We haven't, or rather our government has never honored the terms of the treaties as they are now.

Plus, what are they to do without those treaties? They could loose their land and their income and they know they are not welcome off reserve or on most jobs.

Would any of us give up a certain thing for a very very uncertain future and small hope for improvement?

The sad fact is that modern society has altered the land to where it could not support a traditional native lifestyle for the long term.
So I believe you are correct, they wouldn't want the land back, Why would they, It's useless to them now. And it won't be long before it is useless to us as well.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Seems odd that some folks dump on the First Nation hunter for killing a muskox, until they find out they can harvest one too.

I certainly have no issue with him shooting it even if I couldn’t shoot one

Cat

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

You are Scotts! Cool, so am I. Or rather my dad was. My mom was Hinglish. LOL.

Yup Clan Gordon !
Cat

[ecsuplander]

Alot of racism being thrown about on the forum. Probably not a white/first nation issue. Mostly an issue with the lack of apparent sporting chance, close range shot etc... However, members of all races are capable of poaching. It seems to me that there was a grizzly shot in the back and left to die just last week. Not sure of the race of the shooter but it's just as likely this was a white person who disrespected/poached this animal. No one race has the market cornered on bad behaviour.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

A stranger shows up on a rich landowners piece of property. He asks if he could live on the piece of land too, because its so big surely the landowner could share it?

Landowner is a reasonable guy and says there's plenty of land for both of us so I will share with you. They share the land for a while but it's a pretty good property and the stranger would really like his friends to come live there also.

Slowly more and more strangers show up and start to push the landowner and his family off his own land.

The stranger can see where this is going and is a bit nervous about the landowner, as after all his family has been on that land for many generations and might get upset about all the new comers.

The Stranger cuts an unbelievable deal with the landowner. Takes the best land, opens it up to all his friends and family and in return tells the landowner he and his family can go move onto a small portion of his original land. Oh and you can hunt and fish to feed yourself too. And they put the agreement on paper and the stranger laughs to himself about what a sweet deal he got.

Several generations later the strangers ancestors, who by now have become self righteous entitled "pioneers" figure those pesky originals got too good a deal, why the heck do they get to hunt and fish when I can't?

Bet that original landowner would give up those hunting and fishing rights in return for their land back.
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A bunch of you guys couldn't wait to use a muskox kill to attack first nation hunting rights. Canadians need to learn their own history. We made a contract called treaties, and for hundreds of years reaped the benefits. We didn't kill our first nations like our neighbors. No we just subjugated them, tore family's apart, tried to kill their culture and created our own system of apartheid that existed up until I was a kid.

You can say that you didn't do all those things personally and its time to move on, but that's not how it works. If all these things happened to your culture how would you feel about the treaty deal? Would you trade your life to go live in a First Nation community? I'm hoping the next generation will do better but all I see is an increase in tribalism in this world. Back to the stone age I guess

I know that many people in the Fort McMurray area would love to be first nations, in able to get a six figure job opportunity , that is only open to first nations people. I worked for one of the largest oilsands companies, and even during hiring freezes, first nations people were hired to maintain the 10% first nations workforce. Many people from Fort Chip were hired, even though they were far from the best qualified applicants.

As far as killing the muskox goes, some people will kill anything that they come across, just because they can, but we aren't all like that, I have let tags go unfilled many times in the past, and I also didn't shoot many non game animals that I could have legally killed. Some of us would just as soon watch a rarely seen animal in the wild, than kill it.

[RockyMountainMusic]

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

Let First Nations hunt and fish all they want just let him use the tools that they had when these treaties were signed.

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I always laugh my ass off when I hear this one, I can agree on it too but make the playing field even not just "your sided". have it hunt only with the tools when the treaties were signed and on the other foot replenish all the habitat and animals that are massively killed by industry/ highways etc, put everything back to the way it was when they were signed too. Take industry and roads and cities and people away back to the way it was and I'm pretty sure the tools won't be a problem.....

I understand the frustration that goes with this topic which is why it normally gets locked down pretty quick but it's not just simple as most see it