Farmers to have wcb

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by raab

OH&S doesn't want to shut you down anymore then a food inspector wants to shut down a restaurant. All I know is that if one of my kids wanted to go work on a farm someday I'd hope there would be proper training and procedures in place to ensure that they knew about the dangers associated with the job. How would you feel if your son or daughter hired on with an Oil field company and that company didn't require H2S training or their employees to wear gas monitors? Do you think that deregulating all the OH&S regulations would be a good thing? If not why do you think only farms should be exempt when they're one of the more dangerous places to work?

Farms are generally small one on one operations that allow experienced people to train the new guys. People that have been around farms know that, people who want to impose their will on farmers don't.

I doubt your kids would want anything to do with farming, it's much too dangerous.

[Skytop B]

With this needs to be education and safety awareness training of some sort. Every other workplace and industry has to deal with it. I grew up on a farm too and any safety awareness was pretty much non existant. Uncle bled out in a grain bin cause he slipped and got his foot in the grain auger, a 5 minute welded on guard could have prevented. At my job if I cut a corner or push unsafe work and someone gets injured or killed I'm pretty much ****ed fir life. Why wiuld a farm accident resulting from gross negligence be any different?

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

With this needs to be education and safety awareness training of some sort. Every other workplace and industry has to deal with it. I grew up on a farm too and any safety awareness was pretty much non existant. Uncle bled out in a grain bin cause he slipped and got his foot in the grain auger, a 5 minute welded on guard could have prevented.

So your uncle was unaware of the risks he was taking? Give me break. Legislating common sense hasn't worked yet, but maybe this time it will!

Oh and how would a bill in the mail and a piece of paper on the desk have saved his life?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

OH&S doesn't want to shut you down anymore then a food inspector wants to shut down a restaurant. All I know is that if one of my kids wanted to go work on a farm someday I'd hope there would be proper training and procedures in place to ensure that they knew about the dangers associated with the job. How would you feel if your son or daughter hired on with an Oil field company and that company didn't require H2S training or their employees to wear gas monitors? Do you think that deregulating all the OH&S regulations would be a good thing? If not why do you think only farms should be exempt when they're one of the more dangerous places to work?

OH&S received a bogus complaint about us from a disgruntled former employee who was fired.

the complaint was that our grinders didn't have guards and some other stuff and that i fired him for refusing unsafe work etc.

they were going to give us a stop work order on the spot! i was able to talk them down, explain the situation and suggested a walk through to see how clean and safe we are on a regular basis. they came they walked through we added an additional fire extinguisher based on a suggestion and nothing ever came of it. but i'll admit i was scared! they could have shut us down for a month we would have lost contracts and revenue our employees might have left. very very bad things can happen

farming is not the meat grinder of professions. people just don't fall over dead because they're farmers. we can do a lot more than just opening them up to random searches and forcing bs down their throats

[Skytop B]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

So your uncle was unaware of the risks he was taking? Give me break. Legislating common sense hasn't worked yet, but maybe this time it will!

Oh and how would a bill in the mail and a piece of paper on the desk have saved his life?

Of course he was aware, thats the point. Gross negligence resulting in death

[raab]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

So your uncle was unaware of the risks he was taking? Give me break. Legislating common sense hasn't worked yet, but maybe this time it will!

So you're saying that instead of learning from the incident described and putting in policies to help it not happen again it's better just to use "common" sense which isn't common. The best thing about OH&S legislation and reporting is you hear of everyone elses close calls and unfortunately incidents. You can then use this information to put safety policies in place to hopefully reduce the risk of it happening at your farm. By regulating the industry we may be able to save countless lives over the coming years from the knowledge gained.

[Skytop B]

Ok, so if your son came out to wirk for me abd I told him to go perform a task in a confined space when I knew there could be poison gas or something but because I was in a rush told him to get in there, he did what he was told and died there should be no consequinces for me as his direct supervisor?

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Of course he was aware, thats the point. Gross negligence resulting in death

That is no ones fault but his own, but because he ef'd up I need to be punished with new rules and regulations? I've heard you use the same arguments against gun control as I'm using now, why the change of your stance?

[Clgy_Dave2.0]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

I have to have my own wcb coverage, it's not a big deal and not expensive.

^This.

Bunch of drama queens in here.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Uncle bled out in a grain bin cause he slipped and got his foot in the grain auger, a 5 minute welded on guard could have prevented. At my job if I cut a corner or push unsafe work and someone gets injured or killed I'm pretty much ****ed fir life. Why wiuld a farm accident resulting from gross negligence be any different?

that is sad to hear. i already have a pretty good idea of what was going on i think. just trying to kick the grain towards the opening and just like that it happens...

perhaps through tragedy there has been a positive outcome today i see no grain augers without guards. they've always been the most dangerous thing in my opinion and i fear them to be honest.

although i did see a guard with an integrated handle which would have been really dangerous with gloves on if you handled it while running (which would be silly)

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Ok, so if your son came out to wirk for me abd I told him to go perform a task in a confined space when I knew there could be poison gas or something but because I was in a rush told him to get in there, he did what he was told and died there should be no consequinces for me?

That's so ****ing ridiculous it isn't worth a response. No farm owner is going to do it either. Like has been said before there are liability issues without having to add to the government payroll.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by raab

So you're saying that instead of learning from the incident described and putting in policies to help it not happen again it's better just to use "common" sense which isn't common. The best thing about OH&S legislation and reporting is you hear of everyone elses close calls and unfortunately incidents. You can then use this information to put safety policies in place to hopefully reduce the risk of it happening at your farm. By regulating the industry we may be able to save countless lives over the coming years from the knowledge gained.

Yup, if we ban guns it may save one life therefore it's worth it.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Ok, so if your son came out to wirk for me abd I told him to go perform a task in a confined space when I knew there could be poison gas or something but because I was in a rush told him to get in there, he did what he was told and died there should be no consequinces for me as his direct supervisor?

if a farm hand is injured on the job he can still sue for lost wages and negligence. they're just not able to collect wcb.

[Skytop B]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

That is no ones fault but his own, but because he ef'd up I need to be punished with new rules and regulations? I've heard you use the same arguments against gun control as I'm using now, why the change of your stance?

Not trying to offend, I came from the farm. No guards on anything etc etc. my uncle died because of his iwn negligence but what if it was your kid? Nothing wrong with identifying hazards and fixing them before someone gets hurt. Go on the whs website and read some of the charges listed, real eye opening. For example a derrickman on a drilling rig was greasing crown sheaves when the rig was not properly locked out. The driller moved the blocks and tore off tge derrickmans arm. Guess who got charged by WHS? Both of them!

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

if a farm hand is injured on the job he can still sue for lost wages and negligence. they're just not able to collect wcb.

There are lots of ambulance chasers around to make sure that happens too.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Guess who got charged by WHS? Both of them!

salt in the wound.... why? who does that help? unnecessary pain and suffering to a terrible situation.

[cdmc]

It's the burden of lost revenue to pay for this tax that ticks me off. Agriculture of any kind is a massively under appreciated part if our society in this country.
Personally some years we hardly get by as it is. We both work off to supplement.
This is an extremely disappointing turn of events.
The fact that there's a website pretty much seals out fate.

[Skytop B]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

salt in the wound.... why? who does that help? unnecessary pain and suffering to a terrible situation.

Never said I agreed with it, thats just the way it is now adays. If I mess up and someone gets killed on site I might as well buy a one way ticket to Syria one reason us oilfield bastards get paid well. Try being liable for 50-60 prople on location!

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

Never said I agreed with it, thats just the way it is now adays.

i don't agree with it either and i think we need less of it these days

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Raab won.

Bull !!!!!! Maybe leave the city once in awhile. It might wake you up. Maybe....

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

bull !!!!!! Maybe leave the city once in awhile. It might wake you up. Maybe....

🐴

[guywiththemule]

Maybe keep your "city" garbage in your cities ????

[dmcbride]

More regulation, where it is not needed.

I suppose, gone are the days to go help a buddy swath a field for fear of getting fined. WTF.

[schmedlap]

Originally Posted by cdmc

It's the burden of lost revenue to pay for this tax that ticks me off. Agriculture of any kind is a massively under appreciated part if our society in this country.
Personally some years we hardly get by as it is. We both work off to supplement.
This is an extremely disappointing turn of events.
The fact that there's a website pretty much seals out fate.

for the "little guy". Just more over-regulation and paperwork for an already very stressed economic situation. More bureaucratic gestapos with absolutely no appreciation or concern for reality, and more and steadily increasing public expense. This will not have the "desired" consequences. It will simply accelerate the tendency to industrial operations, as the only viable ones, and help leave the very people that our socialist overlords purport to represent at the short end of the stick.

[urcayuse]

You almost never see OH&S/WCB where they should be. I can't imagine they'll put a lot of effort where they really have no business.
Unless they figure it's easier to push their weight around on a smaller operation.
Which they could find to be more than they bargain for. They may walk onto the ranch but they'll limp off. 😉

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by urcayuse

You almost never see OH&S/WCB where they should be. I can't imagine they'll put a lot of effort where they really have no business.
Unless they figure it's easier to push their weight around on a smaller operation.
Which they could find to be more than they bargain for. They may walk onto the ranch but they'll limp off. 😉

Wow, that'll be a smart move won't it?

[Skytop B]

It seems to me that a lot of people are not aware of the WHS regs, Here is a little reading.

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...fety/6751.html

[super7mag]

This isn't about farm saftey at all , it's Rachel turning over every rock looking for lost revenue. She's going to try and help strengthen the Farm workers union , and hire a bunch more beruacrats to do the paper work. Her idea of creating employment in Alberta, the cost of the extra staff will out weigh the Revenue generated but " Math is Hard"!

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Skytop B

It seems to me that a lot of people are not aware of the WHS regs, Here is a little reading.

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...fety/6751.html

and for a freak accident check out the money grabs

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...fety/6752.html

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

and for a freak accident check out the money grabs

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...fety/6752.html

That's the thing. All accidents are considered preventable now. All of them, no matter what. Really simplifies assigning blame.