NDP are going to spend us into prosperity

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

You realize that we pay 10% across the board here. So if your making 125 grand a year you'd pay 2500 more a year in taxes. Or basically 208 dollars a month more and could potentially have a health system that actually works. If your right on that 125 grand line, maybe this gives you more incentive to actually spend time with your family/friends instead of working yourself to death.

Edit: Were also the only province/territory that doesn't have a progressive tax system in place.

Maybe all the earners that pay for this province should just quit altogether, and wait for all the burners to leave. (which likely wouldn't be long...doubt any of the leeches in society could survive for very long if the host quits giving them blood)

[raab]

Originally Posted by qballs

Have you seen the waste in the healthcare system as it is? There is no accountability. I have seen several instances of wasting tens of thousands of dollars via no one caring. Just throwing more dollars at it isn't going to work. Getting rid of the top heavy administration via attrition and cuts makes more sense.
Why should I throw an extra $200 every month towards a broken system?

Are you suggesting that I should strive to become less productive if I'm around the $125,000 line? That's asinine.

I'm saying for me if I was right at the 125 line I'd make some charitable donations or take a week off to ensure I stay under it. Only thing is the PC government cut the charitable donation tax write off so now it'd cost a lot more to stay under that line.

Also I worked in healthcare. I know exactly where the problems are, top heavy in managers and not enough investment in long term care beds. You have people waiting DAYS in an emergency room bed for a bed upstairs. All because they can't find a long term care bed to transfer that patient upstairs to.

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Maybe all the earners that pay for this province should just quit altogether, and wait for all the burners to leave. (which likely wouldn't be long...doubt any of the leeches in society could survive for very long if the host quits giving them blood)

You should look at the provincial taxes for the rest of the provinces and territories. Alberta high income earners have it by far the easiest.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

You should look at the provincial taxes for the rest of the provinces and territories. Alberta high income earners have it by far the easiest.

So what? You think Alberta should emulate Quebec? Move there if you like it so much. Leave us alone.

This is exactly what I was talking about liberal locusts. They want all the benefits of living in a well off province only so they can leech off the earners.

[raab]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

as a business owner if i work less i put the jobs of others at risk that's one of my personal motivators. i work very hard especially now to keep people employed.

i carry a lot of debt personally related to the business (yes i can write off the interest in my taxes), $2500 a year would make a big difference for me. i live very frugally for the most part because of this.

As a business owner though would you fall into the small business bracket? Also are you paying yourself over 125 a year? Why not pay yourself less and help your business grow and keep the profits where they're not taxed as much?

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

So what? You think Alberta should emulate Quebec? Move there if you like it so much. Leave us alone.

This is exactly what I was talking about liberal locusts. They want all the benefits of living in a well off province only so they can leech off the earners.

Me liberal, not likely. I want something that works, the current system is broken and the only ones with a plan to fix it are the NDP.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

As a business owner though would you fall into the small business bracket? Also are you paying yourself over 125 a year? Why not pay yourself less and help your business grow and keep the profits where they're not taxed as much?

Why don't you start your own business and quit telling other people what to do with their own damned money?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

Me liberal, not likely. I want something that works, the current system is broken and the only ones with a plan to fix it are the NDP.

Yes. You liberal. Big time.

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Why don't you start your own business and quit telling other people what to do with their own damned money?

I do own a business... although it's not functioning yet. My dad also owns a business and pays himself less so that he doesn't get taxed twice.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

As a business owner though would you fall into the small business bracket? Also are you paying yourself over 125 a year? Why not pay yourself less and help your business grow and keep the profits where they're not taxed as much?

i hold the debt personally as many entrepreneurs have to. so i can't use business money to pay my debt (unless i want to go to jail lol)

trust me when this is gone i'm moving my shares to a shell company and paying myself a small salary.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

I do own a business... although it's not functioning yet.

Just like an NDP government.

Not a clue.

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Yes. You liberal. Big time.

, the only thing PC's and WRP supporters are good at is calling names and crossing floors. No surprise seeing how you learned from one of the best in Smith.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

, the only thing PC's and WRP supporters are good at is calling names and crossing floors. No surprise seeing how you learned from one of the best in Smith.

Did I just time warp back to grade 3?

I said you were a liberal. Which you are. You're the one that is attaching a negative connotation to the term.

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

you must work for the government

Nope, but I don't mind suffering.

Instead of the slow parasitic death to productive people the current system provides, lets all vote NDP and get it over with.

Burn it down, Vote NDP.

At least we can laugh at them while they lay beside us in the mass graves Socialism always eventually leads too.

[abhunter8]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

X2.....the wife and I are both for the first time going against the PC and are voteing NDP.

If people would only look at the provinces where the NDP have been in power and the negative effect they have had on those provinces.

[raab]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i hold the debt personally as many entrepreneurs have to. so i can't use business money to pay my debt (unless i want to go to jail lol)

trust me when this is gone i'm moving my shares to a shell company and paying myself a small salary.

Yea, I figured. Takes a lot to start up and the banks don't like giving out loans to new startups. I'm not sure what your finances or interest rates are like, but if your business has taken off perhaps you could transfer the loans over? What I mean is that your still responsible for them personally, but your business has paid off the bank and you now owe the money to your business. If you can do it depending on your interest rate you should be able to drop your payments and any money made off the loan goes back into your business.

[Redfrog]

So when you get close to $125,000 work less simply to avoid the taxes that you think are great as long as someone else is paying them?

Your dad pays himself less and gives the rest away so he doesn't have to pay taxes? HMMM. Apple doesn't fall far from the pie.

No tax for small business as an incentive to get big and pay more taxes. Excellent plan.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Wonder why those high schooler serving up the double double don't simply start a big corporation? Then they could pay for the ones who don't want to work that hard.

What's the hold up starting your business. no tax incentives???

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

Nope, but I don't mind suffering.

Instead of the slow parasitic death to productive people the current system provides, lets all vote NDP and get it over with.

Burn it down, Vote NDP.

At least we can laugh at them while they lay beside us in the mass graves Socialism always eventually leads too.

an attractive option.... can we couple this with the getting paid for doing nothing option?

it seems like i might just be getting paid to fish, drink beer, and hunt in the future.

if someone adopts this platform i'll vote for them. but i'm going to crater the business first no point doing that anymore lol

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Did I just time warp back to grade 3?

I said you were a liberal. Which you are. You're the one that is attaching a negative connotation to the term.

Being called a Liberal in Alberta, is worst then having someone spit in your face. The only thing liberal in this province anymore is the damn PC's!

[raab]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

So when you get close to $125,000 work less simply to avoid the taxes that you think are great as long as someone else is paying them?

Your dad pays himself less and gives the rest away so he doesn't have to pay taxes? HMMM. Apple doesn't fall far from the pie.

No tax for small business as an incentive to get big and pay more taxes. Excellent plan.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Wonder why those high schooler serving up the double double don't simply start a big corporation? Then they could pay for the ones who don't want to work that hard.

What's the hold up starting your business. no tax incentives???

Why don't you ask Warren Buffett how much money he pays in taxes? Anyone who understands how taxes work will know how to drop them a bit with tax write-offs.

As for my own business I'm still undecided what I want to do. I was thinking of an investment firm, but after looking at the regulations I don't have the upfront costs needed to start a business of that magnitude.

[doetracks]

On the subject of floor crossing politicians...

It's been going on forever, and not relegated to one party.

This latest migration is just hot on everyone's mind.

Enjoy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ssed_the_floor

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by raab

Why don't you ask Warren Buffett how much money he pays in taxes? Anyone who understands how taxes work will know how to drop them a bit with tax write-offs.

but they still pay more than everyone else, even with the write offs.

point invalid

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

Why don't you ask Warren Buffett how much money he pays in taxes? Anyone who understands how taxes work will know how to drop them a bit with tax write-offs.

i don't believe what we need is more loop holes and shady deals accessible to those in the know. we need an honest rate for the honest worker who goes to h&r block to get their taxes done.

i would find the loopholes i personally pay way way to much to accountants every year. but should people have to? i don't think so

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by raab

Why don't you ask Warren Buffett how much money he pays in taxes? Anyone who understands how taxes work will know how to drop them a bit with tax write-offs.

Warren Buffet?? Who's she? and what does this have to do with you trying to beat the system instead of trying to make the NDP plan work as presented.

Unless it's only a good plan when someone else buys the drinks.

What's the holdup with your business?

[raab]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

but they still pay more than everyone else, even with the write offs.

point invalid

They also still pay less then the rest of Canada IIRC.

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by raab

Me liberal, not likely. I want something that works, the current system is broken and the only ones with a plan to fix it are the NDP.

Out of curiosity RAAB - in your career were or are you a public sector worker?

Its no big deal, its pretty typical for public sector workers to vote for the politician that will give you the most.

I wish I could vote for my boss. I'd pick the one that paid me the most too.

[Redfrog]

Doetracks, that's a long list. almost needs traffic control so someone doesn't get runned over.

Reminds me of the kids game, "Red Rover"

At least there weren't any of those fine NDP crossing the floors.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

They also still pay less then the rest of Canada IIRC.

good point i guess high earners should just go to the usa where they will be accepted with open arms

[raab]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

Out of curiosity RAAB - in your career were or are you a public sector worker?

Its no big deal, its pretty typical for public sector workers to vote for the politician that will give you the most.

I wish I could vote for my boss. I'd pick the one that paid me the most too.

Quit the health field in December after seeing nothing was going to change. It's unbelievably aggravating to know why the systems broken and still see no one wanting to fix it. I now work in the private sector where the pay is better, I work less hours and have less of a chance of getting sued. As I said the NDP have a plan to at least try and fix the issues. If we had a conservative platform that would address the healthcare crisis in this province I'd be willing to listen.

If we continue on the current path that the PC's have laid down, our health care system will fail within 5 years and we'll be shelling out even more cash then we would be if we just fixed it now.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by raab

They also still pay less then the rest of Canada IIRC.

If you want to pay more tax, why don't you go live somewhere with a higher tax. Leave the rest of us who have enjoyed our low taxes alone. You're ruining our province