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Originally Posted by Salavee
Yeah, I guess that's it .. and it will remain that way when it comes to the ABA.
They revealed to me what they and they're lobbying tactics are all about , especially when applied to the Parkland Bow zone. What they do, and how they do it elsewhere , is not a direct concern of mine... nor will it ever be.
Otherwise, all is almost Golden.
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I only joined 5 years ago, can’t be held accountable of the transgressions of my forefathers.
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03-28-2018, 07:49 PM
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I joined the ABA about 5 years ago as well. I am not a very active member, but I do converse with quite a few other members who are. I believe that they do a good job of representing the members interests. That being said, it is not the executives duty to canvas members continually about matters of interest, and as such it is the members duty to let his or her opinion be known, which is not a hard thing to do since the lines of communication are very open. That being said, I have found that the executive does a very good job of keeping the members up to date on current issues as well as for asking for input when big issues are at hand. As with all organizations, only the majority can be represented, and so there will always be someone on the short end of the stick. Such is life.
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03-28-2018, 07:55 PM
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I will be joining the ABA this season
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03-28-2018, 08:57 PM
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03-28-2018, 08:57 PM
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Gun: can you please express your point of view on P&Y for me? I would like to learn more about that organization as well.
Lefty: any chance you can find out the number of new memberships to the ABA in the past 3 years?
Greatly appreciated gentlemen.
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03-29-2018, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CNP
The truth is, the ABA is the voice of it's members, not the voice of AB Bowhunters.
I had my mind made up. I was a fierce opponent of crossbows in the archery season. I was one of the most antagonistic sob's out there, beating up on those who dared think they could wedge their way into my season. I have since seen the error of my thinking (selfishness/greed/fear). So people do change...
You are correct that complaining on an internet forum is a waste of time. I am encouraging those who support crossbow hunting in the archery season to lobby the AFGA and/or the govt of AB with purpose, as I have.
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You Sir are a level headed well rounded individual that lives through life experiences which gives credibility.
Great stink goat by the way
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03-29-2018, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CNP
I used to hunt in 248 (the NW side of 248), where there are no draws and you can't use ML and shotguns (the real bowzone). Arrowed plenty of moose/WT/MD on the NW side of 248. I've since moved from Morinville to the SW mountains so 248 is too far to venture now. I've thought about Canmore, but I have lots of opportunity closer to home.
I did get drawn for archery antelope last year.
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Do you currently hunt with a compound or trad bow? Or do you prefer to use the crossbow during general seasons?
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03-29-2018, 10:27 AM
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ABA just received a Lifetime Membership Application this morning. Thanks everyone for the information.
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03-29-2018, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Z7shooter
ABA just received a Lifetime Membership Application this morning. Thanks everyone for the information.
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Awesome man! The process is pretty easy, go to the website and pick which option you want 1yr-3yr-lifetime. They send you an email and you will get your member number shortly after.
FYI, I sent an email to the membership chair asking the question you posed.
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03-29-2018, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
That is their CHOICE not to pick up a bow....I haven’t hunted with a rifle for 4-5 years, been doing the bow only thing, even in “general season” when 99% are using rifles.
Have a disability, can’t physically draw back 40lbs...get a permit hunt with a crossbow, I have no issue with that never have.
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Thats Salavees argument ...at age 78 he cant physically pull back bow but way regs read he cant get a crossbow permit because he isnt disabled as per definition
also most 78 yr olds dont have enough teeth to use a mouth tab so throw that one out too lefty
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03-29-2018, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gun
I was one of those that attending the Parkland meeting. Those numbers may be close if you're guessing.
It is part of the Bowzone and we didn't like to see more shotgun/muzzleloader season.
The local biologist said at the time that there were 1.5 deer per square mile in the area. Those numbers didn't require a increase in harvest.
What I don't understand is all the hostility from people over us having 3 bow only WMU's in the province out of how many? Seriously?! If you want to hunt there learn how to shoot a bow and knock on some doors.
Just be patient tho as you will probably see Crossbows included into the bow season before long. Manufacturers will not quit selling them.
Pope and Young has caved in on more than one technical advancement over the years. Part of the reason I no longer support them after 30+ years as member and measurer. And yes I support other organizations besides ABA.
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Curious as too why you left Pope and Young Club, probably the strongest supporter of Bowhunting in North America. Only technilogical advancements that I am aware of that they have changed were 1: increasing letoff from 65% to 80% 2: allowing a lighted nock and 3: allowing recording devices ie camera or phone to be attached to bow. none of which impact ethical bowhunting
I'm assuming ABA supports the use of these three changes Yes/No ??
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03-29-2018, 06:16 PM
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Do you currently hunt with a compound or trad bow? Or do you prefer to use the crossbow during general seasons?
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This year I used a compound for archery antelope, rifle for WT and NT Sheep, and crossbow for a wild board hut in North Battleford area. I mix it up. Tagged all the aforementioned animals. Started elk with bow, finished with rifle and didn't tag an elk.
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04-09-2018, 09:48 PM
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I have been an affiliated member my entire life and just completed my master bowhunter award through them. Its a fun thing to be apart of and I do believe in their efforts to keep crossbows out of archery season.
This is the first ive heard of ABA being behind the spear ban, personally I dont disagree with it though.... I just dont think that spears are an effective way to hunt... either way though its a great organization to get behind....
All the negative posts on here dont really tell there full story, go to their website to their achievments.
recently though, the aba efforts may be the reason cougar hunting is not currently banned in Alberta.
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04-09-2018, 10:38 PM
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After the uproar with the cougar hunting, the ABA was the only organization that sent letters and emails showing support of a legal cougar harvest. One of the main guys at F&W thanked us and said he needs to have more showing of support when those things arise.
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04-11-2018, 11:31 AM
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No not a member and not likely to be. Crossbow thing is enough for me to look no further into it.
I see nothing has changed in the last decade.
Well said CNP!
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04-11-2018, 07:41 PM
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No not a member and not likely to be. Crossbow thing is enough for me to look no further into it.
I see nothing has changed in the last decade.
Well said CNP!
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Are crossbow harvested deer allowed to be entered in your 1000 inch club?
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04-11-2018, 08:45 PM
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I'm a member..somewhat grudgingly after the spear fiasco. They do bowhunters some good. I'm not an active member though, if they were a "different" organization they would get more support from me. Now that my spear sits lonely on the shelf because of them I've got a pretty bitter taste.
By the way x-bows should remain in rifle season. Except for injuries and anyone over 60 years old.
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BS on over 60!!!
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04-11-2018, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gun
Just be patient tho as you will probably see Crossbows included into the bow season before long. Manufacturers will not quit selling them..
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There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s going to happen despite the ABA doing everything possible to stop it. It won’t happen because of manufacturers though, it’ll happen because that’s what hunters want and it’s the right thing to do.
The ABA lobbying to reduce the # for compound bows might sound like a nice compromise but, sorry, it ain’t gonna hold it off. It seems like a move out of desperation to me.
In the end the ABA is still going to be known as the association that fought against hunters. This might appeal to bow only hunters but no one else.
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04-12-2018, 06:01 AM
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There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s going to happen despite the ABA doing everything possible to stop it. It won’t happen because of manufacturers though, it’ll happen because that’s what hunters want and it’s the right thing to do.
The ABA lobbying to reduce the # for compound bows might sound like a nice compromise but, sorry, it ain’t gonna hold it off. It seems like a move out of desperation to me.
In the end the ABA is still going to be known as the association that fought against hunters. This might appeal to bow only hunters but no one else.
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Well said.
The tide needs to turn and it will slowly but surely......
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Originally Posted by HunterDave
There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s going to happen despite the ABA doing everything possible to stop it. It won’t happen because of manufacturers though, it’ll happen because that’s what hunters want and it’s the right thing to do.
The ABA lobbying to reduce the # for compound bows might sound like a nice compromise but, sorry, it ain’t gonna hold it off. It seems like a move out of desperation to me.
In the end the ABA is still going to be known as the association that fought against hunters. This might appeal to bow only hunters but no one else.
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Lol...see you at the next meeting Dave? Might surprise you but quite a few guys are just fine with how things are.
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There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s going to happen despite the ABA doing everything possible to stop it. It won’t happen because of manufacturers though, it’ll happen because that’s what hunters want and it’s the right thing to do.
The ABA lobbying to reduce the # for compound bows might sound like a nice compromise but, sorry, it ain’t gonna hold it off. It seems like a move out of desperation to me.
In the end the ABA is still going to be known as the association that fought against hunters. This might appeal to bow only hunters but no one else.
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Agreed! Especially the part about fighting other hunters.....
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04-12-2018, 11:01 AM
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Lol...see you at the next meeting Dave? Might surprise you but quite a few guys are just fine with how things are.
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Nope, you will never find me at a meeting of any organization with policies that I strongly disagree with and I don't support. Trying to recruit members based on the premise that people should join to bring about change is just silly to me. I wouldn't join a vegan group or a white supremacy group to try to bring about change either.
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04-12-2018, 11:44 AM
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Are crossbow harvested deer allowed to be entered in your 1000 inch club?
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It's your club too, why not, P&Y measuring standards just the best standard we have currently so that's the measuring stick i used to make our bowhunters only club. If P&Y doesn't accept then i won't be a d-ck...you're allowed in this club. Still use their net inches rules as the measuring stick though ok?
Great point though, i'll figure out how to smarten up my signature! B&C and P&Y measuring standards are the standard we're mostly familiar with but also this clubs origin was spawned by talk of the 600 club (whitetails) and 700 club (mule deer) which are based on those measuring standards and were primarily based on rifle kills. This will be our club for all people hunting with a bow. Crossbows welcome with open arms here.
There you go people, that's how its done, quick little edit and voila...an unrecognized bow is now recognized. Word.
p.s. our club is the best, just need to weed out the elitist horse shizzle and we can carry on being rad....tolerant, accepting, logical, and 21st century
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This will be our club for all people hunting with a bow. Crossbows welcome with open arms here.
There you go people, that's how its done, quick little edit and voila...an unrecognized bow is now recognized. Word.
p.s. our club is the best, just need to weed out the elitist horse shizzle and we can carry on being rad....tolerant, accepting, logical, and 21st century
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Too funny. So what is this Bowhunters Only Club that you speak of? Is it new as an alternative to the ABA?
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Too funny. So what is this Bowhunters Only Club that you speak of? Is it new as an alternative to the ABA?
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Well Dave, you'll be glad you stumbled upon this magical club!
It is for the dedicated bowhunters the world over. The best part is entry is free. All you have to do is kill enough qualifying deer and total 1000 net inches or greater with 7 deer or less. We (meaning myself and the mouse in my pocket) don't give a four fisted flying f___ what kind of bow you use either. It's simply recognition of one thing and one thing only. That you're an elite long term dedicated bowhunter, hunting the elite deer of our lands.
I originated the idea here on this forum quite some time ago now. The whitetail rifle guys have an unofficial whitetail club called the 900 club (6 deer 150 or better) and muley guys had an unofficial 700 club (4 over 175). There was a hole missing for the bowhunters...so i filled it....because we are as dedicated as they come!
I'll get some stickers made up if there's some interest, i know a talented artist/vinyl girl who can help with the design. First 10 guys that make it get em free. If there's enough interest i'll take this club thing further and get serious. Will run some social media, post the members, some merch...the whole bit. Starting to hijack the thread though so...
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04-12-2018, 03:17 PM
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Edit to my 2nd last post there. 900 club for whitetails...not 600, i missed the time limit to edit.
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04-12-2018, 06:26 PM
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Nope, you will never find me at a meeting of any organization with policies that I strongly disagree with and I don't support. Trying to recruit members based on the premise that people should join to bring about change is just silly to me. I wouldn't join a vegan group or a white supremacy group to try to bring about change either.
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Isn’t that why you joined the ATA, disagreed with some things and wanted to provide input? Quite the stretch in comparisons! Lol.
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Isn’t that why you joined the ATA, disagreed with some things and wanted to provide input? Quite the stretch in comparisons! Lol.
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No, I did not join the ATA to bring about positive change. When I joined I knew nothing about them other than they were a Trappers Association.
I am no longer member of the ATA nor do I support them......quite the contrary actually.
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04-13-2018, 08:58 AM
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Member, not feeling too good about it since some comments have festered their way to the surface. Ignorance exposed is an ugly ugly thing.
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I bet everyone had the same knee jerk reaction to the crossbow inclusion, me included.
Fortunately, for the most part, if you give a group of people ALL the information on a subject, the majority will tend have removed the biases and followed the logic. There are extremists at either end of the subject as always, there is usually an agenda that could be a blend of ignorance and selfishness or either individually driving the view point.
This would be why the voice of AB Bowhunters as CNP said (well said btw ) welcome this tool where it belongs, and the extremists so to speak (ABA) fight against it.
Given the categories of tools we use to hunt with it's clear where the tool belongs. I'm glad to hear rumors it will eventually be included where it belongs. ABA should jump on board sooner rather than later, they should have been the leader on this imo. Now maybe it's too late to change stance?
Hats off to them if they got the initial archery seasons initiated to show the distinction between tools and gain the additional opportunities. That was brilliant. But the mistake in this case is that those large picture views weren't kept and selfishness has gotten in the way of growth/progress that got the thing started in the first place. The compound was allowed at some point but this one isn't?
At this point on that subject, there is only one thing left to say to those still fighting the inclusion.....time to get down off that horse, it ain't a thing.
Huge shout out to those who've admitted to starting one way and ending up another! Not just on this subject but any. Right on!
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