Farmers to have wcb

[Kim473]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Seems strange to me that a business wouldn't want basic WCB insurance for their employees. it seems even stranger that an employee would work for a business that doesn't offer some kind of insurance if they get hurt on the job, I sure as heck wouldn't. Nope, no sir I wouldn't take the chance, I've known too many people who've been permanently disabled at work.

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The ones that don't, don't give a dam about there employees and could care less if they get hurt. Just hire someone else to replace them. Not a company worth working for. Might as well work in a slave shop in china or korea.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

That's the thing. All accidents are considered preventable now. All of them, no matter what. Really simplifies assigning blame.

corner protectors on everything

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Kim473

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The ones that don't, don't give a dam about there employees and could care less if they get hurt. Just hire someone else to replace them. Not a company worth working for. Might as well work in a slave shop in china or korea.

wcb is redundant it does nothing for the employee. the employee can still sue for lost wages and negligence.

[Suka]

Any of the larger farms are either ltd. or inc. and will undoubtably all have wcb, as will most who have steady employee's. (business has NEVER needed gov't to tell them how to run their business)

The concern (at least mine) isn't about wcb, that's just another expense. The concern is all the asinine regulations and training requirements coupled with the ongoing harassment from bureaucrats that will be coming shortly.

No regulations or paperwork to make people feel good are ever going to stop Darwin award winners from hurting themselves foolishly. Everyone knows only an idiot steps over a pto yet every year you read about some fool who get's body parts torn off doing just that.
.........and only a fool thinks having a plaque saying you're the farm safety officer will change that.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Kim473

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The ones that don't, don't give a dam about there employees and could care less if they get hurt. Just hire someone else to replace them. Not a company worth working for. Might as well work in a slave shop in china or korea.

Pretty broad brush your swinging. My last guy was here 14yrs the only lost time injury was sustained in the middle of the night on his way home. I paid him fully for his entire recuperation time. But yeah I don't care about my employees. FU

[hillbillyreefer]

There sure are a lot of uran people on here that know what's best for rural folks. You guys can't even ask permission to hunt, but know what's best for a farm operation.
Maybe WCB will claim it's too dangerous to allow armed city folks on the land while workers are present, that would be classic.

[calgarychef]

It's easy to say that if an employee gets hurt that you'll "look after him" and I believe you're serious and sincere.

I know a fellow who was chemically poisoned, he's in a wheel chair now and a paraplegic. All that because he slipped and hit a valve on the way down, accidents happen fast.

His medical bills are astronomical and they will be there every year for the rest of his life. A small business could not afford to "look after him" and that's where WCB or something similar comes into play.

This has to be done in a way that works for farmers though. They can't just take the rules from other industries and try to ram them through. There isn't as much profit in agriculture as some industries and farmers couldn't afford to comply in the same manner.

[Kim473]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Pretty broad brush your swinging. My last guy was here 14yrs the only lost time injury was sustained in the middle of the night on his way home. I paid him fully for his entire recuperation time. But yeah I don't care about my employees. FU

Drinking and driving, or too tiered to drive because of the 16hr work days for the last 7 - 14 days???

Would you have given him a supporting wage and paid medical expenses for the rest of his life if he was to become perminately disabled from, say the waist down ? I highly doubt it ! Millions of dollars !

How about the workers that could be killed at work, what would you do for there family ?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

It's easy to say that if an employee gets hurt that you'll "look after him" and I believe you're serious and sincere.

I know a fellow who was chemically poisoned, he's in a wheel chair now and a paraplegic. All that because he slipped and hit a valve on the way down, accidents happen fast.

His medical bills are astronomical and they will be there every year for the rest of his life. A small business could not afford to "look after him" and that's where WCB or something similar comes into play.

i would pay for his lawyer to sue me. i have insurance and i pay it for a reason. i would make sure he was looked after.

Originally Posted by Kim473

Drinking and driving, or too tiered to drive because of the 16hr work days for the last 7 - 14 days???

Would you have given him a supporting wage and paid medical expenses for the rest of his life if he was to become perminately disabled from, say the waist down ? I highly doubt it ! Millions of dollars !

How about the workers that could be killed at work, what would you do for there family ?

do you think wcb would pay? not a chance

you're ragging on a guy for going above and beyond exceeding the regulations, think about that.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Kim473

Drinking and driving, or too tiered to drive because of the 16hr work days for the last 7 - 14 days???

Would you have given him a supporting wage and paid medical expenses for the rest of his life if he was to become perminately disabled from, say the waist down ? I highly doubt it ! Millions of dollars !

How about the workers that could be killed at work, what would you do for there family ?

That's what liability insurance is for. Nice accusations on the work schedule and accident, keep talking. You sound as if personal responsibility is completely foreign concept. If a kid working at McDonalds hurts herself in a car accident many hours after work is it mcDonalds fault? Maybe it's yours because you asked for a 1/4lber without pickles.

How do some of you city folks get up the courage to get to work in the morning? Maybe you don't and live off the dole like good little socialists.

[Okotokian]

About time. Farming and ranching is a business. 25 fatalities last year. Are you kidding me? Lots were probably family, not employees, but it's clear it's a dangerous work environment. Did the Oilsands have 25 fatalities? If you are hiring employees you have certain obligations. What do you tell the family of a dead farm worker? "Too bad".

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

About time. Farming and ranching is a business. 25 fatalities last year. Are you kidding me? Lots were probably family, not employees, but it's clear it's a dangerous work environment. Did the Oilsands have 25 fatalities? If you are hiring employees you have certain obligations. What do you tell the family of a dead farm worker? "Too bad".

What is having WCB coverage going to do to make them come back?

Farm stats are severely skewed, we are always at work so if anything happens in the yard or to check cows whatever it's a farm accident statistic. I bet there was a damn site more people killed in vehicle accidents on the way to and from oil jobs but they weren't at work so those don't count.

No one has yet told me how the piece of paper saves lives, every hypocrite on here claiming it does has also argued against the gun registry piece of paper. A piece of paper can save a farmers life, but it has no effect on gun deaths? Which is it ladies, you decide. Until then stay in the city the country is obviously too scary and dangerous for you.

[raab]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

What is having WCB coverage going to do to make them come back?

Farm stats are severely skewed, we are always at work so if anything happens in the yard or to check cows whatever it's a farm accident statistic. I bet there was a damn site more people killed in vehicle accidents on the way to and from oil jobs but they weren't at work so those don't count.

No one has yet told me how the piece of paper saves lives, every hypocrite on here claiming it does has also argued against the gun registry piece of paper. A piece of paper can save a farmers life, but it has no effect on gun deaths? Which is it ladies, you decide. Until then stay in the city the country is obviously too scary and dangerous for you.

Your not listening man, people have told you. I'll repeat, having OH&S legislation forces you to report incidents. These incidents can be investigated and a report put out. From that report safety recommendations can be made to all farmers and hopefully policies or procedures can be put in to prevent the LTI/deaths in the future.

Your arguing it with the LGR makes absolutely no sense, unless they were investigating and putting out reports on every single gun incident out there and making recommendations for safer gun handling. Which they weren't, the long gun registry was all about who has a gun, not about how do we use guns, is their ways to use them safer and why are there so many gun fatalities every year.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

From that report safety recommendations can be made to all farmers and hopefully policies or procedures can be put in to prevent the LTI/deaths in the future.

i've never seen a single report from my industry. that's not how it works in practice

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

What is having WCB coverage going to do to make them come back?

First of all, if there are proper workplace safety standards like the legislation requires, perhaps the worker won't die in the first place. But if they do, WCB supplies support, services, and benefits to the surviving family.
http://www.wcb.ab.ca/pdfs/public/tol...vors_guide.pdf

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

No one has yet told me how the piece of paper saves lives,

Seriously??? Workplace safety rules and training don't save lives? Where on earth do you work? Your statement is beyond uninformed. That's like saying "Traffic safety laws don't save lives!"

[raab]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i've never seen a single report from my industry. that's not how it works in practice

What industry are you in? I'm sure the reports are out there.

[hillbillyreefer]

We've been farming for thousands of years, as soon as he dippers come along we need government interference.

How many accounts do you have on here Rachel?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

What industry are you in? I'm sure the reports are out there.

i just spent some time looking and the newest most specific release i could find was

Primary Metal (esp. Steel) Products
The Primary Metal Products sub-sector is the largest of the Manufacturing, Processing andPackaging sub-sectors, accounting for 36.3% of the total person-years worked. In 2010, thelost-time claim rate decreased by 6.6% to 1.61 per 100 person-years worked, a result of thenumber of lost-time claims decreasing by 3.0% and person-years worked increasing by3.8%. The disabling injury rate in 2010 increased by 1.8% to 4.30 per 100 person-yearsworked (see Table 2.9).
Since 2006, the lost-time claim rate for this sub-sector decreased by 53.5%. The averagedecrease for the Manufacturing, Processing and Packaging sector was 51.3%.

certainly nothing that will help keep people safe

[raab]

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...afety/781.html

I'm sure there's more. I'll talk to some people and see if I can find you some more reports.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by raab

http://work.alberta.ca/occupational-...afety/781.html

I'm sure there's more. I'll talk to some people and see if I can find you some more reports.

MINING AND PETROLEUM DEVELOPMENT

May 7 A worker was attacked by a bear.

i want to know what firearm they recommend for bear defence

[spaded]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

We've been farming for thousands of years, as soon as he dippers come along we need government interference.

How many accounts do you have on here Rachel?

LOL wow

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by spaded

LOL wow

you don't under stand where he's coming from?

at what point do we get rid of all the sharp knives because people cut themselves?

[spaded]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

you don't under stand where he's coming from?

at what point do we get rid of all the sharp knives because people cut themselves?

Where did I state I don't understand where he is coming from?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by spaded

Where did I state I don't understand where he is coming from?

you didn't that's why i asked.

[spaded]

I understand where he is coming from 110%

Thank you for asking, anything else you would like to know?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by spaded

I understand where he is coming from 110%

Thank you for asking, anything else you would like to know?

ya why do you think he should snap out of it if you understand 110%?

you responded in disbelief yet understand 110%?

i don't understand

perhaps you mean for the government to snap out of it?

[spaded]

where did I respond in disbelief?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by spaded

where did I respond in disbelief?

i can't speculate on your tone or what you meant to say. but usually when someone says "wow" to a statement it is generally meant to convey disbelief in what was said.

as in "wow! i did not expect that"

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

There sure are a lot of uran people on here that know what's best for rural folks. You guys can't even ask permission to hunt, but know what's best for a farm operation.
Maybe WCB will claim it's too dangerous to allow armed city folks on the land while workers are present, that would be classic.

Why do you think farmers and ranchers should be above the laws governing every other employer? Why should farm worker's lives be worth less than others and not worthy of protection? Look, I could care less if some farmer wants to shove his arm in machinery and lose it. Be my guest. He's self-employed and it's his choice. But if he hires some kid to do the job, he should do some training and make sure safety rules are followed, and the kid should have some coverage if he's injured while making money for the farmer. It's a BUSINESS.

[spaded]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i can't speculate on your tone or what you meant to say. but usually when someone says "wow" to a statement it is generally meant to convey disbelief in what was said.

as in "wow! i did not expect that"

You can't speculate...but yet you can state that I responded in disbelief

LOL wow - was and is a response to Hillbillyreefer and his silly statement, which I quoted...