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05-09-2011, 03:48 PM
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cant wait for fish and wildlife to slam all the guys fishing illegaly in the nsr every day along the banks keeping everything they catch and using tri hooks and 2 rods each, happens all the time down there.
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05-09-2011, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
Well chubbdarter, I follow the law as well and would be pretty choked if I forgot or missed it and got a $200.00 fine.
Now if you would volunteer to pinch all my barbs all would be well. (warning-doubtful if anyone has more hooks/tackle than me)
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I would be also be choked at myself for forgetting or doing a insufficent job of debarbing.
I dont have much tackle so im willing to help ya
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05-09-2011, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
No bait would be easier on the fish(save a few more).
In another thread you wanted to see scientific evidence - What about in this case?
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stopping fishing all together would have good results too.
Scientific proof in this case is like proving fish mortality from a catch and release event. Sometimes we need to rely on field experience and just common sense.
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05-09-2011, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chubbdarter
I would be also be choked at myself for forgetting or doing a insufficent job of debarbing.
I dont have much tackle so im willing to help ya
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You are a kind man CD!
On a different note(and hijack), I still havent been to Police yet, but will let you know how it went(hope to go Friday or Sat).
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05-09-2011, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chubbdarter
stopping fishing all together would have good results too.
Scientific proof in this case is like proving fish mortality from a catch and release event. Sometimes we need to rely on field experience and just common sense.
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I disagree there CD.
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05-09-2011, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
You are a kind man CD!
On a different note(and hijack), I still havent been to Police yet, but will let you know how it went(hope to go Friday or Sat).
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i have fond memories of that lake....thanks take lots of pics
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05-09-2011, 04:08 PM
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i have fond memories of that lake....thanks take lots of pics
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Will do!
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05-09-2011, 04:15 PM
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I disagree there CD.
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i knew you would....and its good interested fisherpeople can have discussions. BUT to back my point the vast majority of fisherman in the province will or would not read our discussion here. The AO membership is great and most care. BUT they dont represent the majority of licence holders. The law is a attempt to try save a few fish by upping their survival chances.
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05-09-2011, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chubbdarter
stopping fishing all together would have good results too.
Scientific proof in this case is like proving fish mortality from a catch and release event. Sometimes we need to rely on field experience and just common sense.
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It's sometimes a tricky situation, but I see it more often than not and am never sure how to approach people who are doing it; deep hook set throat & tongue rippers. I seriously blow a valve when I see the 18th century tooth pullers going at a fish. And yes pike are a "tougher" fish but c'mon, the jaw spreaders don't need to break jaws in the process, and if you can't get the hook out ask a fisherfolk beside you for a tip or help.
Question; I have certain hooks that when I pinch the barb breaks off and leaves a nub. Some nubs I can file down but some of my more expensive ones don't. Is there a tool for helping with this problem?
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05-09-2011, 04:39 PM
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It's sometimes a tricky situation, but I see it more often than not and am never sure how to approach people who are doing it; deep hook set throat & tongue rippers. I seriously blow a valve when I see the 18th century tooth pullers going at a fish. And yes pike are a "tougher" fish but c'mon, the jaw spreaders don't need to break jaws in the process, and if you can't get the hook out ask a fisherfolk beside you for a tip or help.
Question; I have certain hooks that when I pinch the barb breaks off and leaves a nub. Some nubs I can file down but some of my more expensive ones don't. Is there a tool for helping with this problem?
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i agree Gus....but its another case of specific circumstances....what if they dont use the jaw spreaders and it takes 10 minutes for them to remove the hooks?.....kinda have to wieght the odds
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05-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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i agree Gus....but its another case of specific circumstances....what if they dont use the jaw spreaders and it takes 10 minutes for them to remove the hooks?.....kinda have to wieght the odds
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It's a little bit of "The tool checklist", we have a box that carries the essentials; a few type of pliers, good knives, two spreaders (for big & small yaps), whet stone, bells, etc. But I'm notorious for forgetting to pack the net (it always goes in last),, I walk around the garage repeating it like a mantra "The Net-The Net-The Net" and still manage to forget it.
... as for the 10 minute thing,, just cut it.
I sometimes feel sorry for fish.
The discus styled release irks me too.
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05-09-2011, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GustavMahler
It's sometimes a tricky situation, but I see it more often than not and am never sure how to approach people who are doing it; deep hook set throat & tongue rippers. I seriously blow a valve when I see the 18th century tooth pullers going at a fish. And yes pike are a "tougher" fish but c'mon, the jaw spreaders don't need to break jaws in the process, and if you can't get the hook out ask a fisherfolk beside you for a tip or help.
Question; I have certain hooks that when I pinch the barb breaks off and leaves a nub. Some nubs I can file down but some of my more expensive ones don't. Is there a tool for helping with this problem?
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None that I know of, but I have found a particular plier that really makes it easier for me to pinch barbs
How do you post pics? And I will post them.
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05-09-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
None that I know of, but I have found a particular plier that really makes it easier for me to pinch barbs
How do you post pics? And I will post them.
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go to general....its a sticky
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05-09-2011, 05:07 PM
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who cares, the regs state de barb your hook, its that simple, you dont want to then take your chances of getting a 200$ fine and or fishing equipment takin away, so pinch your barbs end of story.
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05-09-2011, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by best guide shawn homeniuk
who cares, the regs state de barb your hook, its that simple, you dont want to then take your chances of getting a 200$ fine and or fishing equipment takin away, so pinch your barbs end of story.
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I do but there are certain barbs that won't crimp or file down and they are great hooks. Thanks for your great answer to my question.
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05-09-2011, 05:25 PM
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I do but there are certain barbs that won't crimp or file down and they are great hooks. Thanks for your great answer to my question.
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Hehe, I think he was referring to the debate regarding increased mortality with barbed hooks...
I just don't see how anyone can argue against "barbless decreases mortality". I understand that other options also decrease mortality (bait vs. no bait, trebles vs. singles, fish handling vs not handling, hero pictures vs quick release, dragging across the rocks vs leaving in the water... etc, etc), but that doesn't negate the impact that barbs have on our fisheries.
Anyhow, like I said before, barbless is essential for our streams, rivers and sensitive lakes. The put/grow/take fisheries should be geared towards high catch rates and fun for newbs and kids. The more people we have involved in this sport, the better off we are.
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05-09-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GustavMahler
It's a little bit of "The tool checklist", we have a box that carries the essentials; a few type of pliers, good knives, two spreaders (for big & small yaps), whet stone, bells, etc. But I'm notorious for forgetting to pack the net (it always goes in last),, I walk around the garage repeating it like a mantra "The Net-The Net-The Net" and still manage to forget it.
... as for the 10 minute thing,, just cut it.
I sometimes feel sorry for fish.
The discus styled release irks me too.
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i agree but not many fisherman carry a cutter designed to cut a hook deep in a fishes mouth thats possibly connected to a expensive rapala.
Im not sure cutting the line with a crankbait in a fishes mouth is right.
every situation is different
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05-09-2011, 05:38 PM
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gus...this is what ive been told....the chemically sharpened hooks are not as brittle....i get that barb butt alot too...i just hit it with a wet flat diamond file. That probably does weaken the hook but its the best i can do.
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05-09-2011, 05:38 PM
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05-09-2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by best guide shawn homeniuk
who cares, the regs state de barb your hook, its that simple, you dont want to then take your chances of getting a 200$ fine and or fishing equipment takin away, so pinch your barbs end of story.
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Thats the problem with this law!
Read page 879 of the Idaho report!
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05-09-2011, 05:50 PM
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On the pliers, one end is square(flat) and the other is round. Best Ive found so far.
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05-09-2011, 05:52 PM
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lol, its the law though, nothing you can do about it, it will be inplace untill next year either way, so for now you have to obey it, ya it is strange how they have the barbed law, yet in the reg on the front cover they have a trout being caught with a rapala, with two tri hooks in it lol, i thought it was strange two tri hooks have to do the same amount of dmg as a single barbed hook if not more dmg, anyways lets see what i can do to please everyone
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05-09-2011, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
On the pliers, one end is square(flat) and the other is round. Best Ive found so far.
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Where did you get them?
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05-09-2011, 06:02 PM
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Where did you get them?
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haahahahhaha you old fugger put your specks on....they say MasterCraft right on them....lol
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05-09-2011, 06:08 PM
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haahahahhaha you old fugger put your specks on....they say MasterCraft right on them....lol
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Lol
Yup Can tyre, not sure if I can mention the name
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05-09-2011, 06:08 PM
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haahahahhaha you old fugger put your specks on....they say MasterCraft right on them....lol
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I should not even talk to you after that last video ..................LOL
Damn now the eyes are going to .Man that sucks the eyes the ears and fishing with a limp line whats next......
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05-09-2011, 06:17 PM
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I should not even talk to you after that last video ..................LOL
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Damn now the eyes are going to .Man that sucks the eyes the ears and fishing with a limp line whats next......
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hahahaha ever notice a lot of times, no talks to either of us except us....
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05-09-2011, 08:00 PM
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hahahaha ever notice a lot of times, no talks to either of us except us....
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We can keep the conversation intelligent that wa...........BWHAAAAAAAAAAA I almost got it all out.......
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05-09-2011, 08:34 PM
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We can keep the conversation intelligent that wa...........BWHAAAAAAAAAAA I almost got it all out.......
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hahhahhahhha i kinda FH7'd that one
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05-09-2011, 08:42 PM
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hahhahhahhha i kinda FH7'd that one
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Lol?
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