NDP are going to spend us into prosperity

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Alberta is the best. Glad you agree... and who has been running this province for the past 4 decades? Thank you.

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Is Alberta the best because of, or in spite of....? Are the current PC's anything like the PC's of 10 years ago? Is Prentice Klein? Time to turf them.

Will the Wild Rose party be any better? Probably....at least for the first 30 years..then we may have to look at getting rid of them for someone else too.

[elkhunter11]

As much as I would like to see the provincial PCs voted out, I will never vote for the NDP

[Redfrog]

We do need smaller class sizes. Cause the teachers are actually getting smaller and smaller.

i think ideally we could have class sizes of no more than 3 students and then just have the teachers stay home and we could drop the kids off there.

What do think of that idea Raab?

Oh BTW the entrepreneurs, Industry leaders and managers as well as the politicians running the country likely were educated in classrooms with 30+ kids in them. While we may have problems in Canada, we do have a mechanism to solve them. As I've said before, there's not many people packing up their ditty bags and fleeing this country.

When was the last time you heard of a Canadian asking for refugee status in another country.

Let's not turn this province into some third world socialist state.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

We do need smaller class sizes. Cause the teachers are actually getting smaller and smaller.

i think ideally we could have class sizes of no more than 3 students and then just have the teachers stay home and we could drop the kids off there.

What do think of that idea Raab?

Oh BTW the entrepreneurs, Industry leaders and managers as well as the politicians running the country likely were educated in classrooms with 30+ kids in them. While we may have problems in Canada, we do have a mechanism to solve them. As I've said before, there's not many people packing up their ditty bags and fleeing this country.

When was the last time you heard of a Canadian asking for refugee status in another country.

Let's not turn this province into some third world socialist state.

What are you talking about? 15 years ago while I was going through school our class sizes were only in the mid twenties. Having class sizes in the 30-40 range is unacceptable.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by raab

What are you talking about? 15 years ago while I was going through school our class sizes were only in the mid twenties. Having class sizes in the 30-40 range is unacceptable.

30-35 was the norm when I was going....and horror of horrors...there was no aides or parents forced into going in to help, just one teacher....

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

What are you talking about? 15 years ago while I was going through school our class sizes were only in the mid twenties. Having class sizes in the 30-40 range is unacceptable.

Our classes were 28-34 kids, and I think one class might have been 36. I can tell the difference between your and you're, then and than, and we're and were. Maybe bigger classes are better. Think outside the box my friend.

[DiabeticKripple]

bigger classes, more friends and socializing!

my classes in high school (2009-2012) were around 31-39 kids

[bobalong]

And who is the only party that has promised to BAN corporate and union donations to political parties, THE NDP. That would absolutely cripple the PC's, as the kickbacks would end.

If you look back through almost all the parties platforms almost every one of the PC's continue to protect the corporations and take more from the working people of the province. Almost every WR and NDP platform benefits the people and finally have corporations pay their share, not huge amounts more, JUST FINALLY THEIR FAIR SHARE

[Deckacards]

Originally Posted by raab

What are you talking about? 15 years ago while I was going through school our class sizes were only in the mid twenties. Having class sizes in the 30-40 range is unacceptable.

Raab I am 45 and when I was in grade 4 ..class size was 36. I was very rarely in a class size under 30.. This will always be an election issue.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Oh BTW the entrepreneurs, Industry leaders and managers as well as the politicians running the country likely were educated in classrooms with 30+ kids in them. While we may have problems in Canada, we do have a mechanism to solve them. As I've said before, there's not many people packing up their ditty bags and fleeing this country.

Red you know very well that classrooms today can not even be compared to classrooms years ago. Teachers had authority and discipline years ago, now political correctness has tied there hands. A lot of their time now is dedicated to trying to teach in a class with a few students who you HAVE to coddle to, because you cant hurt the students feelings or even make them listen. My cousins wife is a teacher and the stories she tells, would definitely not have happened years ago...........and you know that.

The idea of "special needs" students in the classrooms may be a good one, the only problem is that when any funding at all is cut, that is the first place it is cut. So teachers who used to have an aid to help with the 3-5 special needs students now have no aids, and haven't for a few years, but the special needs students are still there, and increasing all the time.

Just because we have an adequate system now and people aren't leaving the county does not mean that the system is good. If you talk to teachers, the system is corroding, almost everyone knows it, but refuse to address it, it is much easier to just blame the teachers.

Many, including myself who speak out against the lack of priority shown by this PC government to our children and medical system, is an attempt to at least try and maintain the system we have or had, but it just falls on deaf ears with the PC.

Our children and seniors for the most part only cost our province money, as neither pay no, or a very reduced amount of taxes. There are some political parties (not the PC) that recognize the importance of our children, they are our future policemen, doctors, construction workers, nurses, teachers, etc and the seniors are those that have already contributed to the province for decades and should be admired and respected, but instead the PC government intimidates, belittles and ignores them...............that is just evil.

[greylynx]

x2 on your last post Bob.

Very well explained.

And True.

[blackpheasant]

Originally Posted by raab

What are you talking about? 15 years ago while I was going through school our class sizes were only in the mid twenties. Having class sizes in the 30-40 range is unacceptable.

35-40 years ago 35 kids in a class room was the norm, a time when the teachers parking lot was full at 6:30am and didn't empty most evenings till 6:30pm, they were in the classroom after hours for those of us that needed the extra help, it worked well. Nowadays they show up at 8:00am and gone by 4.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by bobalong

And who is the only party that has promised to BAN corporate and union donations to political parties, THE NDP. That would absolutely cripple the PC's, as the kickbacks would end.

If you look back through almost all the parties platforms almost every one of the PC's continue to protect the corporations and take more from the working people of the province. Almost every WR and NDP platform benefits the people and finally have corporations pay their share, not huge amounts more, JUST FINALLY THEIR FAIR SHARE

Bob I don't have a problem with this and your next message on the current state of classrooms with political correctness hits the mark. What I do have a problem with is the movement from a flat tax to what is termed a "progressive" tax for personal income. I have worked hard all my life and taken jobs in places many people would not go. The hard work has paid off with a good income for my family. Now because I make more than the average individual I am seen by the NDP as someone who can pay a bigger share. The idea of a hand up I am fine with and support. Unfortunately the NDP's idea of a hand up comes with their other hand in my pocket. This just grates on me.

I supported the PC's in the last election due to weak candidates in the other parties. There is no way that I can support them again.
I have said I would cut my right arm off before voting NDP but with our riding not having a WR, a dud for a liberal and a green party flop it looks like I may have to spoil a ballot or learn to do a number of things left handed.

[TBD]

Originally Posted by bobalong

... the only problem is that when any funding at all is cut, that is the first place it is cut. So teachers who used to have an aid to help with the 3-5 special needs students now have no aids, and haven't for a few years, but the special needs students are still there, and increasing all the time.

Just because we have an adequate system now and people aren't leaving the county does not mean that the system is good. If you talk to teachers, the system is corroding, almost everyone knows it, but refuse to address it, it is much easier to just blame the teachers.

when extra funding is provided, the gawd damn union heads at ATA are in there figuring out how to take it for themselves ...

"... let's schedule this Friday/Monday off so we can have a 4 day extra long weekend - here AND here too "

'' ... let's schedule exams after Christmas break and not call the other grades back until mid jan "

" ... hey let's use this money sitting in our operational budgets for wages and benefits, and then when our roof starts leaking, we'll call in Global News and tell Albertan's just how poorly this gov't is funding ED-U-cation ..."

" ... think they'll notice a 5-day weekend here ? "

It's the same re-run, EVERYTIME more money is put into education, some-how teachers and admin staff get extra pay - time off - and more benefits. After the ^ above are FED first - what's left trickles down to the kids ...

Then on budget adjustments ^ any extra given to the kids is the first to get CUT ..... and round we go !


MORE money required to feed the bureaucracy - LESS available for Education !

Systems DONE boys, people need to look at other options, home schooling, trades co-op programs ... ect

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[roper1]

Interesting with how bad some people think teachers have it, our universities are turning out more teachers than there is jobs. WTH, somebody has to tell these bright young students that teaching is a quagmire they'll never escape...

[ESOXangler]

Voting for Notley! Proud of it!

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by TBD

when extra funding is provided, the gawd damn union heads at ATA are in there figuring out how to take it for themselves ...

"... let's schedule this Friday/Monday off so we can have a 4 day extra long weekend - here AND here too "

'' ... let's schedule exams after Christmas break and not call the other grades back until mid jan "

" ... hey let's use this money sitting in our operational budgets for wages and benefits, and then when our roof starts leaking, we'll call in Global News and tell Albertan's just how poorly this gov't is funding ED-U-cation ..."

" ... think they'll notice a 5-day weekend here ? "

It's the same re-run, EVERYTIME more money is put into education, some-how teachers and admin staff get extra pay - time off - and more benefits. After the ^ above are FED first - what's left trickles down to the kids ...

Then on budget adjustments ^ any extra given to the kids is the first to get CUT ..... and round we go !


MORE money required to feed the bureaucracy - LESS available for Education !

Systems DONE boys, people need to look at other options, home schooling, trades co-op programs ... ect

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Too many measuring a result.

The result that I wanted has never been offered, only promised.

I have only seen individuals exploiting what is available.

The only correct answer would be a 100 percent turn out at the stations.

[Carriertxv]

No different than when rub and tug Taliban Jack was around. He could promise rainbows, lollipops and unicorns cause he knew there was no way in hell the dippers would ever get elected.

[Redfrog]

"Red you know very well that classrooms today can not even be compared to classrooms years ago. Teachers had authority and discipline years ago, now political correctness has tied there hands. A lot of their time now is dedicated to trying to teach in a class with a few students who you HAVE to coddle to, because you cant hurt the students feelings or even make them listen. My cousins wife is a teacher and the stories she tells, would definitely not have happened years ago...........and you know that"

Did I say otherwise. You sound like my wife. "I agree with you and that's that. Don't argue with me."

My point is that large class sizes did in fact produce the movers and shakers and hard working taxpayers of today. As the class size got smaller the 'gimme' got bigger both from teachers and students. Is there a correlation? I don't know. I do know the only teachers I had that had problems with class sizes would have problems if there was only one kid in the class.

I also know any job was a great job when I was a kid. Today it has to pay enough for a mortgage and a car payment or a student won't work. they may know how much stuff costs, but often have no clue as to the value.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

As much as I would like to see the Provincial PCs voted out I will never vote for the NDP

This^^^. All day long, this.^^^

The NDP are going to fix this, the NDP are going to fix that. All they need is more tax dollars and they would cure cancer. Blah blah blah.
Where in their platform does it say they will save any money without spending or take any cost cutting measure without the need to further burden it's people with more tax? Because that's what is needed in our over-bloated, out of control government.
But which party could possibly attempt taking these steps and not increasing taxes?
Oh ya, Wildrose. That's who.
I just don't see how any one in this province could continue to vote Pc or even worse, kill us all by voting NDP.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Voting for Notley! Proud of it!

Here Here!

I'm doing the same thing, and have no regrets what so ever. It can't be any worse than the incumbent PC/Liberal???? or the floor crossing ex PC who when they are offered a plum pie cross the floor for a slice.....then have it taken away when their riding won't accept them as a viable candidate.... Jim Prentiss will have his pie taken away form him too.

Who knew you could bait the WRP with pie?

BW

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Here Here!

I'm doing the same thing, and have no regrets what so ever. It can't be any worse than the incumbent PC/Liberal???? or the floor crossing ex PC who when they are offered a plum pie cross the floor for a slice.....then have it taken away when their riding won't accept them as a viable candidate.... Jim Prentiss will have his pie taken away form him too.

Who knew you could bait the WRP with pie?

BW

vote for what you want to see our government do.

voting for who sparkles the most in media will just leave you with voters remorse wishing you would have voted on issues and not flair.

[Lefty-Canuck]

The Government needs a change...but no way that change needs be as drastic as the NDP government getting voted in!

LC

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

vote for what you want to see our government do.

voting for who sparkles the most in media will just leave you with voters remorse wishing you would have voted on issues and not flair.

Exactly and I see the NDP as a bona fide chance for change.

The PC party and PC light have been governing for 45 years, I remember the politicians asking the electorate to vote for them so that the children would have a better future, a better future for Alberta. Now we're 45 years into the future and we are worse off then we were back in the 70's and 80's. The people voted and nothing changed...NOTHING!

I am voting for change, and have stopped beating my head against the wall.

I will be able to say I did not vote for him...when the chit hits the fan. Be interesting 1 year from now on AO! I'll either be defending my position on voting NDP or listening to everyone beetch about how the PC or PC light(WRP) isn't getting it done.

Democracy you gotta love it!

BW

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Exactly and I see the NDP as a bona fide chance for change.

The PC party and PC light have been governing for 45 years, I remember the politicians asking the electorate to vote for them so that the children would have a better future, a better future for Alberta. Now we're 45 years into the future and we are worse off then we were back in the 70's and 80's. The people voted and nothing changed...NOTHING!

I am voting for change, and have stopped beating my head against the wall.

I will be able to say I did not vote for him...when the chit hits the fan. Be interesting 1 year from now on AO! I'll either be defending my position on voting NDP or listening to everyone beetch about how the PC or PC light(WRP) isn't getting it done.

Democracy you gotta love it!

BW

Or maybe you'll be lamenting how much you're forced to sell your house for to move out of province for a job.

[DiabeticKripple]

if the whole province is upset with the prentice taxes, wait until the NDP get in. guaranteed PST.

everyone before the budget was calling for cuts and no taxes.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Exactly and I see the NDP as a bona fide chance for change.

The PC party and PC light have been governing for 45 years, I remember the politicians asking the electorate to vote for them so that the children would have a better future, a better future for Alberta. Now we're 45 years into the future and we are worse off then we were back in the 70's and 80's. The people voted and nothing changed...NOTHING!

I am voting for change, and have stopped beating my head against the wall.

I will be able to say I did not vote for him...when the chit hits the fan. Be interesting 1 year from now on AO! I'll either be defending my position on voting NDP or listening to everyone beetch about how the PC or PC light(WRP) isn't getting it done.

Democracy you gotta love it!

BW

change change change

what change do you want? or will any do?

[raab]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

if the whole province is upset with the prentice taxes, wait until the NDP get in. guaranteed PST.

everyone before the budget was calling for cuts and no taxes.

They've already shot down a PST. Only thing the NDP want to do is raise corporate/higher income taxes to be on par with the rest of Canada. They also want to recind the medical insurance costs that Prentice brought out. So yes they do want to cut something.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by raab

They've already shot down a PST. Only thing the NDP want to do is raise corporate/higher income taxes to be on par with the rest of Canada. They also want to recind the medical insurance costs that Prentice brought out. So yes they do want to cut something.

So, if Alberta becomes just like the rest of Canada, who's gonna pay for all the social programs in this country?

[raab]

Originally Posted by rugatika

So, if Alberta becomes just like the rest of Canada, who's gonna pay for all the social programs in this country?

With the dollar dropping Ontario will undoubtedly take off again. So we will have BC, AB, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland all contributing to equalization payments. We'll basically be supporting Quebec and the Maritimes. I don't like it, but let not pretend that Alberta is the only province in Canada that contributes to equalization payments.

Here's a question for all you smart PC/WRP guys. What did the PC leader and WRP leader do before deciding to run in provincial politics? What party were they apart of? Did they work together? If so then how are they not one and the same? The problem with voting for the right in this province is they're both the same party in my eyes.