Why the NDP will win.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

Is there a nursing shortage in Alberta, probably but the majority of RN's aren't providing direct care. Out of the nearly 40K registrants in the college of registered nurses only about 49% are providing direct care with the rest in education (25%) administration (9%) and research (8%).

However, I truly believe that the biggest drain on nursing resources was directly caused by the introduction by the government of "part time" and "casual" positions 25+ years ago as a money saving measure. This has proven to have done the exact opposite and is costing wayyyyy more than if full-time nursing would have been left alone. If you think about it, when you have a certain number of hours needed to provide care in the province and have people working at .6 or .4 you would be paying out a lot more in pension/benefits simply due to the added number of employees. Not to mention the training requirements. I went through a salary disclosure list (over $136k/year) that AHS put out, and I was surprised how many nurses were making over $200k/year. This definitely isn't the norm by any stretch, but working overtime/call-outs certainly compounds over the year if you are classified as part time/casual.

I don't blame the nurses. Who wouldn't want to make more money for the same number of hours worked, and also have the flexibility of having more time off when you want it? I remember having nursing friends that were laid-off in the early/mid 90's and went to the US/Europe/Middle East to work, then returned home to work in a system with a shortage of employees. They took full-time positions, but were working a pile of hours and would constantly be denied vacation/time-off due workload. Many were getting married/having kids at that time, so they simply quit and came back as a part time/casual employee instead, which allowed them the time off and the flexibility to make up for monetary shortfalls by simply picking up extra shifts at an overtime rate instead. You don't need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out which option is better.

I can't say that I blame the union either, as it allows them to have a larger membership paying dues. Unions aren't called a business unit for nothing, they are also a business and increased revenue is important to them as well.

Politicians and executives are responsible for the current mess that Canadian healthcare is in, mostly through policy decisions. These decisions have really created a toxic "us vs them" environment that can't be changed by simply throwing more money/people at the situation, or by cutting funding either. Until there is a concerted effort to change the toxicity and polarization, nothing will ever change.

In case I get questioned about my numbers regarding nurses compensation, here's the link.

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...Page13093.aspx

Partially correct. I worked at a high level in finance in healthcare....so I know full well what the issues are. We had .10 FTE (full time equivalent) (that’s a nurse that agrees to work one day every two weeks....and all others shifts are at double time) nurses making more than the CEO of the region. How???? The gamesmanship of the union contact and other game plays.

Most don’t know that nurses get 18 PAID sick days per year off....and they accumulate year after year. That means every ten years you can take 6 months off PAID if you can get a doctors note....pffff...as a nurse???!!....easier than ordering take out.

OR you and your fellow nurse can work the system over. Every 3 weeks nurse A calls in sick when Nurse B is scheduled off. Nurse B is called in at double time. And now do the reverse. You get to pay the equivalent of 6 days for 5 days of work every three weeks for just these two Nurses.

Add in the fact that any unscheduled shift worked is demanded to be at double time or they won’t come in. ( god forbid you break rank and agree to one in for normal rate....your life will be hell from your union colleagues) Means if you’re working part time and not getting paid full time or more you’re stupid.

All other healthcare union workers follow UNAs lead and want the same.


Break the UNA crap through legislation......illegal to pay overtime for less than 8 hrs or 40/week. Fix the doctors agreement...whole nother kettle of fish. Do that and your money will go soooo much further wait times will evaporate

[mac1983]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Never said I went to Wildrose conventions. As it typical with most politicians… they like to go to other functions and speak.

Dividing the UPC worse than it is already can totally give the NDP another spending power trip.

DS wasn’t Wildrose. She was a power hungry turncoat at the time. Has she changed. That’s for her to prove to Albertans.

JK screwed up by trying to appease everyone and instead annoying everyone.

Kenny had political savvy in a country where it’s needed given the media is so biased. His ability to speak fluent French was a huge asset that people failed to realize.

Now DS must snap out of the fringe and meet the mainstream head on with intelligence and common sense. Or else people on the fence will decide to go elsewhere or not vote. Either or is bad for the UPC.

What's your take on what direction Calgary is leaning ?

Edmonton is orange, rural is blue.

I don't make it down there much anymore, just curious.

[BlackHeart]

And to the original poster..... I feel for your angst in not being able to get your son treated....should never happen in Alberta.

But you have to consider most politicians are in it for themselves. The worse are the ones with an agenda to convert our society into their version of socialist utopia....because they never created any true wealth themselves or for others....so when these pigs get in the trough, they know no boundaries.

Gotta ask what the interest cost is on 70 F!!! BILLION is??? Cause that what the NDP ran us into the ground for......and it was used to hire 10,000 of their useful (useless) idiot communist party members that had barely survived living on sucking and exploiting the system wherever they could.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Partially correct. I worked at a high level in finance in healthcare....so I know full well what the issues are. We had .10 FTE (full time equivalent) (that’s a nurse that agrees to work one day every two weeks....and all others shifts are at double time) nurses making more than the CEO of the region. How???? The gamesmanship of the union contact and other game plays.

Most don’t know that nurses get 18 PAID sick days per year off....and they accumulate year after year. That means every ten years you can take 6 months off PAID if you can get a doctors note....pffff...as a nurse???!!....easier than ordering take out.

OR you and your fellow nurse can work the system over. Every 3 weeks nurse A calls in sick when Nurse B is scheduled off. Nurse B is called in at double time. And now do the reverse. You get to pay the equivalent of 6 days for 5 days of work every three weeks for just these two Nurses.

Add in the fact that any unscheduled shift worked is demanded to be at double time or they won’t come in. ( god forbid you break rank and agree to one in for normal rate....your life will be hell from your union colleagues) Means if you’re working part time and not getting paid full time or more you’re stupid.

All other healthcare union workers follow UNAs lead and want the same.


Break the UNA crap through legislation......illegal to pay overtime for less than 8 hrs or 40/week. Fix the doctors agreement...whole nother kettle of fish. Do that and your money will go soooo much further wait times will evaporate

This is the result of politicians kicking the can down the road & refusing to deal with the .5 & .6 levels. As you say, when a nurse can make $1100 for a one night shift, the system is terribly flawed. 3 12 hour shifts a week 36 hours total but 12 hrs OT claimed. Oh, they're overworked with all the Ot. NOPE, only a 36 hr week, with 4 days off. Not only middle & upper management & bureaucracy, there's plenty of fat to trim at front lines as well

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by schleprock

My late sister was a nurse. She would not take a full two me position because she made way more money working part time and grabbing all of the overtime that she could. I imagine that this is still a common practice and is something that needs to be reformed.

The RHA I worked for had a community with a captive employment market....meaning if you were a nurse living in that community you either worked for us or you didn’t live there, as a commute was not possible.

The hospital had the need for 5 FTE (full-time-equivalent) nurses. We had 12 RNA nurses (that we knew of) working in the community...for us. But we could not fill vacancies for positions .....especially full time ones. WHY??? Because all 12 nurses were making enough gaming the system and the union agreement.

My solution.... though the politics chickened out once UNA started screaming about it....all new positions are full time, and we are going to move to 50% overstaffing levels (funny how UNA keeps telling the media how they want more Bodies due to overwork but freak out when you actually add them as full time)....means zero overtime, lots of slack for sick days, AND only 7-8 nurses employed...the other 4-5 would become unemployed.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by roper1

Now Sundancefisher, I love you dearly. And I can't put you on 'Ignore' cause, well, I'm not supposed to. But for all that's reality, would you please identify the party as UCP instead of UPC?

Lol. Typo. Sure. UCP it is.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by roper1

This is the result of politicians kicking the can down the road & refusing to deal with the .5 & .6 levels. As you say, when a nurse can make $1100 for a one night shift, the system is terribly flawed. 3 12 hour shifts a week 36 hours total but 12 hrs OT claimed. Oh, they're overworked with all the Ot. NOPE, only a 36 hr week, with 4 days off. Not only middle & upper management & bureaucracy, there's plenty of fat to trim at front lines as well

No politician wants to tackle UNA....Klein did it and my sister-in-law, an RN and me couldn’t have a civil discussion for 15 years without her going off the deep end. Similar to the Trump derangement syndrome.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by mac1983

What's your take on what direction Calgary is leaning ?

Edmonton is orange, rural is blue.

I don't make it down there much anymore, just curious.

Depends upon the neighborhood.

It always amazed me in Calgary that we vote predominantly conservative in federal politics but NDP in municipal elections.

Trying to get candidates to state their party is impossible.

I think it falls to selfish self interest. Federally everyone feels the pain. Municipally it’s hit closer to home.

City hall has consistently been packed with spending liberals and drives me nuts.

If I had to do a blend… I’d say small c to medium c with lots of fiscal conservatives in the mix.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by roper1

This is the result of politicians kicking the can down the road & refusing to deal with the .5 & .6 levels. As you say, when a nurse can make $1100 for a one night shift, the system is terribly flawed. 3 12 hour shifts a week 36 hours total but 12 hrs OT claimed. Oh, they're overworked with all the Ot. NOPE, only a 36 hr week, with 4 days off. Not only middle & upper management & bureaucracy, there's plenty of fat to trim at front lines as well

My experience with nurses in hospitals is that they are in a high pressure situation and have to be on the ball 100% of the time. Peoples lives can depend upon it.

It’s different than an office job where one can go grab a coffee and decompress. One can zone out in a meeting. One can leave early if a bad storm hits.

The stress of 36 hours nursing is a different beast than 36 hours in most other jobs.

Is there a shortage. Yes. But is it what the union shouts or what management says? That I can’t say.

UCP

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by amosfella

As I understand it, Kenney didn't SPEND 1.3 billion. It was a tax credit, meaning that they had to earn x amount of money (probably 100 billion) in Alberta to get that 'money'.

The other is that the NDP didn't make the plans for the hospital they announced. A friend of mine has been on that file and said that the plans for that hospital mentioned were started a decade before the NDP announced it. He told me that in big cities, it can take around 25 years to get a large hospital built from planning and permits to accepting patients. He's overseeing a project converting an old Canadian Tire into an urgent care clinic. He was telling me that just getting permits from the city for everything took 4-5 years, and that's a small project.

I can also confirm...a new hospital can take a decade at a minimum if you’re lucky and pull out all the stops.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Wind em up and let ‘em go eh?

For the record, I’m so glad farmers and welders and cowboys are here to figure out how to fix a health care system



I’ll remember to ask a nurse next time I need a transmission repaired

Might be a bit short sighted to think all AO members are just agriculture or rednecks with trade skills.....but that’s on you.

[Cervidae]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

No politician wants to tackle UNA....Klein did it and my sister-in-law, an RN and me couldn’t have a civil discussion for 15 years without her going off the deep end. Similar to the Trump derangement syndrome.

We have all seen this. My wife worksfor AHS currently, and My MIL worked for UNA until about 4 years ago. any time anyone tries to take on the union they spend big bucks and run adds on how that government is destroying healthcare and causing people to die. Hence this threads original posters comments and thoughts. (They even had people on staff that they would pay to comment on articles and Facebook posts to slam the government)

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I didn't say that I was qualified, I merely pointed out that government ministers are often not appointed based on qualifications. Trudeau appointed a cabinet based heavily on diversity, and other leaders have made choices that were no better.
So perhaps you can tell me why Hoffman was qualified to be the minister of health?

She needed to rely on the system the most.....or soon will??

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Usually this kind of negative groupthink Nancy talk would pop up here in late Jan or Feb.

But these days…..

Beginning deer season


Sigh


And yes elk…. With your 30+ years in the patch and adopted populist algorithm are imminently wiser and have the answers .



Guys here really need to read a fav Theo Roosevelt speech I like.

Instead of being a snarky B! to members here, maybe you can highlight YOUR eminent qualifications then!!! And especially on all the topics you’ve commented on......because of anyone on here, you sure seem to have plenty of qualifications in almost all areas....based on the numerous threads you’ve jump in on.

Aren't you a unionized teacher....the union Redford bought off to gain the leadership (that led to the past political disasters of the past decade) and Notley gave a huge pension bailout to??

Those that can't, teach those who can. (in case you like quippy little sign offs to posts)

[rem338win]

What we as Alberta's need to realize is the issue now has less to do with politicians and more to do with how horribly AHS has managed themselves for decades resulting in incredible toxicity. Doctors, nurses, technicians and medics; I haven't talked to one thats satisfied with AHS as an employer ever. I'd you exist, please speak up.

Their management and executive is ripe with cronyism and bloated salaries.

The conservatives and NDP have thrown ample money at our health care, and AHS refuses to be transparent or accountable. How did 2 billion in extra cash during COVID result in declining ablility to serve the public? Don't ask because AHS refused to account for it.

The conservatives should still be pushing for accountability at AHS and funding cuts to their bloated management, failing policies and retention.

The NDP have no plan other than to support the equally irresponsible health care unions that are more concerned about playing politics than being a part of the solution. Another form of cronyism.

I feel for the original poster, and as much as I disliked Kenny I have to disagree that he was the problem. It's AHS that's killing the Frontline and reducing the ability to serve.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by rem338win

What we as Alberta's need to realize is the issue now has less to do with politicians and more to do with how horribly AHS has managed themselves for decades resulting in incredible toxicity. Doctors, nurses, technicians and medics; I haven't talked to one thats satisfied with AHS as an employer ever. I'd you exist, please speak up.

Their management and executive is ripe with cronyism and bloated salaries.

The conservatives and NDP have thrown ample money at our health care, and AHS refuses to be transparent or accountable. How did 2 billion in extra cash during COVID result in declining ablility to serve the public? Don't ask because AHS refused to account for it.

The conservatives should still be pushing for accountability at AHS and funding cuts to their bloated management, failing policies and retention.

The NDP have no plan other than to support the equally irresponsible health care unions that are more concerned about playing politics than being a part of the solution. Another form of cronyism.

I feel for the original poster, and as much as I disliked Kenny I have to disagree that he was the problem. It's AHS that's killing the Frontline and reducing the ability to serve.

The NDP will just throw money and appease the unions, making the system even sicker and worse than it already is.

One of the weakest things in healthcare (and should never be allowed) is that the most difficult and union strong nurse, after years of fighting management gets promoted to head nurse, then to nursing department director and then to facility director and even to COO (chief operations officer)...depending on the hospital structure. BUT, they never leave their union attitudes behind....and always look out for their nursing sisters as they "sympathize" with them.

So you have managers only competent in nursing and union politics running the show. Minimal management training and definitely a huge bias against fixing the issues, by going up against their old union comrades, and continuing things under the disguise of "JUST following the UNA agreement".

I fought and argued against one of these COO's (the dirty S! she tried and squirming to avoid the facts) and only on her fat retirement payout did she have some sort of self-conscious moment and admit a sort of apology (but oooo my sister nurses) for her corrupt actions/arguments against my push to hold them accountable and make changes to fix the issues and system within our region.

UNA has a political stranglehold on our healthcare system.....no politician can survive tackling them directly. The Klein era is gone and with our current leftist liberal media no politician making dramatic changes/improvements will get a fair presentation in the news and hence not get re-elected. It will take dramatic action outside of the UNA agreement to fix this mess.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by roper1

This is the result of politicians kicking the can down the road & refusing to deal with the .5 & .6 levels. As you say, when a nurse can make $1100 for a one night shift, the system is terribly flawed. 3 12 hour shifts a week 36 hours total but 12 hrs OT claimed. Oh, they're overworked with all the Ot. NOPE, only a 36 hr week, with 4 days off. Not only middle & upper management & bureaucracy, there's plenty of fat to trim at front lines as well

Well here I go challenging a mod…see if I get banned lol

You go ahead and tell a bunch of stressed out, predominantly female, predominantly child bearing, highly trained, highly sought after professionals with a mobile degree/profession what they can work and how much time they can spend with their families.

Metaphorically - “File the front sight off first” comes to mind. Homer Simpson playing with a nuclear reactor comes to mind. You being homer.

Everyone WILL leave and you can’t import 3rd world “equivalents” fast enough.

This is not the patch, a feed lot, or a construction site.

Now are there problems in the contract relating to what you and blackheart are talking about - yes - but it’s cheap compared to what would happen.

No one in healthcare gives a flying rats behind about whitetail deer hunting and there’s nothing else in Alberta worth mentioning except money

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Well here I go challenging a mod…see if I get banned lol

You go ahead and tell a bunch of stressed out, predominantly female, predominantly child bearing, highly trained, highly sought after professionals with a mobile degree/profession what they can work and how much time they can spend with their families.

Metaphorically - “File the front sight off first” comes to mind. Homer Simpson playing with a nuclear reactor comes to mind. You being homer.

Everyone WILL leave and you can’t import 3rd world “equivalents” fast enough.

This is not the patch, a feed lot, or a construction site.

Now are there problems in the contract relating to what you and blackheart are talking about - yes - but it’s cheap compared to what would happen.

No one in healthcare gives a flying rats behind about whitetail deer hunting and there’s nothing else in Alberta worth mentioning except money

If you believe the system is actually as you describe, the only solution to a damaged foundation is total tear down and rebuild.

Health care is important, but so is the future of this system. We have hopefully learned throwing money at demands and not addressing the root issues does nothing for the problem.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

If you believe the system is actually as you describe, the only solution to a damaged foundation is total tear down and rebuild.

Health care is important, but so is the future of this system. We have hopefully learned throwing money at demands and not addressing the root issues does nothing for the problem.

Thank Ralph, your POS hero

He politicized healthcare, attacked nurses character, tripled the population while cutting funding, and install all the politically connected management everyone hates. And then got caught meeting with American insurance companies.

The cons have embarked on a multi decade attempt to derail public healthcare. Just like the federal libs have with social engineering via media.

Tear down the corrupt government that is stuck at the trough and leave nurses alone.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Thank Ralph, your POS hero

He politicized healthcare, attacked nurses character, tripled the population while cutting funding, and install all the politically connected management everyone hates. And then got caught meeting with American insurance companies.

The cons have embarked on a multi decade attempt to derail public healthcare. Just like the federal libs have with social engineering via media.

Tear down the corrupt government that is stuck at the trough and leave nurses alone.

Your really not going to like what I have to say..... The smart money would be to dismantle and revamp the current system allowing parts to be farmed out and stream lined... I know, your head just exploded...

Many, many procedures require minimal staff to safely service the public, but we are shackled with a system that would rather back up the line for their political gain allowing many to suffer.... Currently there is some trials happening out east where simply operations are being performed outside the system being funded by the system and the results are nothing but positive.

You are pro tear down the government, myself included, but your angry when the same solution is offered for this healthcare system. Really, both are a disaster, we need to bring accountability to the table and provide solutions period.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Your really not going to like what I have to say..... The smart money would be to dismantle and revamp the current system allowing parts to be farmed out and stream lined... I know, your head just exploded...

Many, many procedures require minimal staff to safely service the public, but we are shackled with a system that would rather back up the line for their political gain allowing many to suffer.... Currently there is some trials happening out east where simply operations are being performed outside the system being funded by the system and the results are nothing but positive.

You are pro tear down the government, myself included, but your angry when the same solution is offered for this healthcare system. Really, both are a disaster, we need to bring accountability to the table and provide solutions period.

You don’t understand what you would lose in the process.

I know someone who could quite literally retire tomorrow and be a stay at home dad, as his wife could more than double her income signing a contract somewhere else. $200g per year plus overtime. 19 years of critical care experience gone overnight. But it’s in worse conditions, so they are here (for now)

And you’re gonna replace it with what? Knowing what to do and when to do it keeps people alive. Plain and simple.

RRTs we’re getting $5g USD per week, in both NY and Texas during delta. Good luck competing in a frozen wasteland where you want to **** on the people who are trying to help. Pull another Ralph and the wage won’t matter.

Respect, job security, a good but not astronomical wage and decent working conditions (including schedules) keep our system running. Screw it up and everyone will suffer.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Screw it up and everyone will suffer.

I feel that's exactly what they've done.....

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by 3blade

You don’t understand what you would lose in the process.

I know someone who could quite literally retire tomorrow and be a stay at home dad, as his wife could more than double her income signing a contract somewhere else. $200g per year plus overtime. 19 years of critical care experience gone overnight. But it’s in worse conditions, so they are here (for now)

And you’re gonna replace it with what? Knowing what to do and when to do it keeps people alive. Plain and simple.

RRTs we’re getting $5g USD per week, in both NY and Texas during delta. Good luck competing in a frozen wasteland where you want to **** on the people who are trying to help. Pull another Ralph and the wage won’t matter.

Respect, job security, a good but not astronomical wage and decent working conditions (including schedules) keep our system running. Screw it up and everyone will suffer.

Actually I do know what I would loose in the process... I have built and operated many service based companies ranging from under 10 to well into the hundreds. One in particular was a total disaster when myself and partners assumed ownership. We had to do a complete overhaul and the existing managers advised like yourself that the losses would be devastating.

Fast forward a 2 years, organization is a powerhouse in the industry and the employees are treated like family. Actual wages increased and moral is at an all time high. We still meet our targets, we still service our clients and truthfully those who left were a blessing.

[golferac]

You can tell here who understands how expensive and competitive health care is. Depending on contracts, you are looking at a low end of 1100usd/day (90/hr) all the way up 2100/day (170ish/hr). Even historically lower paying nursing segments like NICU are breaching the 100/hr mark. This is not some business where you can magically find a bunch of people and pay them 30-50 hr CDN. It just doesn't work like that. You either pay or no soup for you. The interprovincial competition is fierce for all nurse (new graduates and highly experienced/speciallized) but the cross border recruitment for travelling nurses is absolutely wild. 10k per week (usd) is not out of the question for nurses even now. You will have to go to a terrible situation but you work your contract length (fixed length or weekly/monthly renewing) and then leave and go on vacation or next place.

Originally Posted by 3blade

You don’t understand what you would lose in the process.

I know someone who could quite literally retire tomorrow and be a stay at home dad, as his wife could more than double her income signing a contract somewhere else. $200g per year plus overtime. 19 years of critical care experience gone overnight. But it’s in worse conditions, so they are here (for now)

And you’re gonna replace it with what? Knowing what to do and when to do it keeps people alive. Plain and simple.

RRTs we’re getting $5g USD per week, in both NY and Texas during delta. Good luck competing in a frozen wasteland where you want to **** on the people who are trying to help. Pull another Ralph and the wage won’t matter.

Respect, job security, a good but not astronomical wage and decent working conditions (including schedules) keep our system running. Screw it up and everyone will suffer.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by ZJHoban

Are there any other countries that have a similar setup to what you think would be best?

There isn’t. There are a few countries in the world that don’t have income tax and none of them have the system they have for the reasons the guy is describing. It’s either Cayman Islands and Monaco or places like Somalia because it is a failed state where the “tax” is collected by gangs and other ish from those who can pay any, but most are so poor that… Well, you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Thanks for the discussion and follow up. You’ve lost credibility. Sounds like you a a Freeman. Am I correct?

No idea what Freeman Movement promote (though have a pretty good guess), but even Milton would have hard times explaining what this guy is proposing, as far real world application is concerned. Sounds like a troll, to be honest. Though we are all different and some of us are more radical than another. Either way, good luck to him with his “agenda”. Nice book to read, among his other work, but… like I said, good luck with finding a political party, or even likeminded people.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Now DS must snap out of the fringe and meet the mainstream head on with intelligence and common sense.

She can’t snap out of what she is and become what she isn’t though.

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Partially correct. I worked at a high level in finance in healthcare....so I know full well what the issues are. We had .10 FTE (full time equivalent) (that’s a nurse that agrees to work one day every two weeks....and all others shifts are at double time) nurses making more than the CEO of the region. How???? The gamesmanship of the union contact and other game plays.

I find it really hard to believe that there are many nurses making more than the CEO of the region, unless I am overestimating CEO’s remuneration.

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Most don’t know that nurses get 18 PAID sick days per year off....and they accumulate year after year. That means every ten years you can take 6 months off PAID if you can get a doctors note....pffff...as a nurse???!!....easier than ordering take out.

Really? You believe that because someone is a nurse they can just pfft and get a “doctor’s note” and go away for 6 months with full pay pretending to be sick? Lol.

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

OR you and your fellow nurse can work the system over. Every 3 weeks nurse A calls in sick when Nurse B is scheduled off. Nurse B is called in at double time. And now do the reverse. You get to pay the equivalent of 6 days for 5 days of work every three weeks for just these two Nurses.

I keep hearing this from people who heard it somewhere else and now from a guy from a “high level in finance in healthcare”. Does anyone really believe that this is a widespread occurrence? It isn’t.

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Add in the fact that any unscheduled shift worked is demanded to be at double time or they won’t come in.

Since you are/were in healthcare, you are probably aware that nowadays it is more like “come and work anytime you want because we have unlimited shifts available”, but there aren’t many to answer the call. The shortage is so profound, it is asinine. There aren’t people to take those shifts at double pay and anyone qualified is welcome to answer the call. The latter means that they will gladly welcome a nurse practitioner and pay the double of her pay for changing IV ‘s and do other work under their qualifications. Ask how many do answer the call? Little to none because they have more than enough to do at their regular jobs.


Go see how things are in mental health department or ask someone who works there. It’s crazy. Pun intended, but probably not funny. There is simply no qualified personnel to handle the case load that there is.

Anyway, the point is that it is actually surprising that people are actually complaining about this because in private sector these people would be making a real bank with shortages that are out there. We should almost feel fortunate that our neighbour, The Land of the Free, is what it is and not many professionals are willing to relocate there… yet.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 3blade

You don’t understand what you would lose in the process.

I know someone who could quite literally retire tomorrow and be a stay at home dad, as his wife could more than double her income signing a contract somewhere else. $200g per year plus overtime. 19 years of critical care experience gone overnight. But it’s in worse conditions, so they are here (for now)

And you’re gonna replace it with what? Knowing what to do and when to do it keeps people alive. Plain and simple.

RRTs we’re getting $5g USD per week, in both NY and Texas during delta. Good luck competing in a frozen wasteland where you want to **** on the people who are trying to help. Pull another Ralph and the wage won’t matter.

Respect, job security, a good but not astronomical wage and decent working conditions (including schedules) keep our system running. Screw it up and everyone will suffer.

Yup. Close to $30K a month with the exchange rate, from a Houston private hospital. Money becomes a secondary consideration for them when they had literally rows of ventilated/ECMO'd patients and an over flowing emergency department. Many don't realize how many have quit already to take travel positions.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Actually. Read your posts. You are the one name calling. I asked a question as your comments are in line with the Freeman movement.

So you have a very passionate opinion.

How would you run the Province of Alberta if you were Premier and say had absolute power?

Curious how you see the real world operating. Is it no taxes… everyone pays as they go? Free for all if you have the money and tough luck if you don’t? Zero public healthcare? Zero public police? Private schools only?

I see lots of complaining from you and name calling but zero ideas and solutions.

1​010 26 Avenue SE

State power is not the solution to what ails society. The deadweight of the State needs to collapse upon itself.

I would never accept a proposition to "run the Province of Alberta". What man has the authority to tell other men what to do? Such "power" is illegitimate and immoral.

I think you're missing my most basic point. If you are a proponent of the corrupt State, it doesn't matter which party you support. It's a uniparty system, varying only by degree.

Since 1867, Canada has had two parties "run" the country. Both pretend to be opposite of each other in philosophy yet the inescapable reality is that Canadians have been marched towards less and less freedom with each generation. Voting doesn't matter. Policy doesn't matter. Every year, the System layers on more and more regulations, more and more taxes. Neither Party has (in any meaningful way) repealed legislation or lowered taxes. Again, voting doesn't matter. The System is designed to march the country towards authoritarianism.

Again, whether you are a conservative, a liberal, an NDP... it doesn't matter. All the parties approve of The System. Regulations. Taxes. Oppression.

In 1867, Government was small. Now, only 155 years later, government is a behemoth with no mechanism in place to arrest the inevitable slide towards authoritarianism. The feedback loops in the System make this a certainty. Compare life in 1922 with 1952. 1952 with 1972. 1972 with 1992. 1992 with 2022. The slow march towards bondage. Suffocation. Decay. Basically, Eastern Europe during Communist rule.

The answer isn't to wait for a political saviour. A more realistic strategy is to actively participate in the creation of parallel structures, free of government influence. The first step in this process is awareness... awareness that government is not actually needed....for anything. Then...decentralize, decentralize, decentralize.

In addition to allowing citizens to live more robust, free, beautiful lives, the creation of these parallel (decentralized) structures will soften the blow when the System ultimately collapses under its own weight.

“When the activity of those who oppose the establishment becomes articulated it will be in forms, methods and ideas that are totally unknown, incomprehensible and unacceptable to members of the establishment – and that is how it should be.” (Egon Bundy, Civic Freedom in Central Europe)

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Polis

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/e...iat/TheLaw.htm

Postscript: My question regarding your address was rhetorical. I have no interest in stealing from you or anyone else...not even if it's just a little bit of stealing.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

There isn’t. There are a few countries in the world that don’t have income tax and none of them have the system they have for the reasons the guy is describing. It’s either Cayman Islands and Monaco or places like Somalia because it is a failed state where the “tax” is collected by gangs and other ish from those who can pay any, but most are so poor that… Well, you get the idea.


No idea what Freeman Movement promote (though have a pretty good guess), but even Milton would have hard times explaining what this guy is proposing, as far real world application is concerned. Sounds like a troll, to be honest. Though we are all different and some of us are more radical than another. Either way, good luck to him with his “agenda”. Nice book to read, among his other work, but… like I said, good luck with finding a political party, or even likeminded people.




She can’t snap out of what she is and become what she isn’t though.


I find it really hard to believe that there are many nurses making more than the CEO of the region, unless I am overestimating CEO’s remuneration.


Really? You believe that because someone is a nurse they can just pfft and get a “doctor’s note” and go away for 6 months with full pay pretending to be sick? Lol.


I keep hearing this from people who heard it somewhere else and now from a guy from a “high level in finance in healthcare”. Does anyone really believe that this is a widespread occurrence? It isn’t.


Since you are/were in healthcare, you are probably aware that nowadays it is more like “come and work anytime you want because we have unlimited shifts available”, but there aren’t many to answer the call. The shortage is so profound, it is asinine. There aren’t people to take those shifts at double pay and anyone qualified is welcome to answer the call. The latter means that they will gladly welcome a nurse practitioner and pay the double of her pay for changing IV ‘s and do other work under their qualifications. Ask how many do answer the call? Little to none because they have more than enough to do at their regular jobs.


Go see how things are in mental health department or ask someone who works there. It’s crazy. Pun intended, but probably not funny. There is simply no qualified personnel to handle the case load that there is.

Anyway, the point is that it is actually surprising that people are actually complaining about this because in private sector these people would be making a real bank with shortages that are out there. We should almost feel fortunate that our neighbour, The Land of the Free, is what it is and not many professionals are willing to relocate there… yet.

Just vote harder, amirite?

Look at the suffering all around!

When is the "good voting" going to start working?

Is the "correct" political party going to make people healthier? Smarter? Happier? Freer?

Hasn't worked yet...what's that definition of insanity again?

[HVA7mm]

I think the ones that really enjoy the nursing crisis are the UNA. Why wouldn’t they? If you think about, they get 1.5% if the gross earnings of all of the nurses. When you have a majority of nurses being part-time/casual, not only do you have more people paying dues, but you have way more nurses making bank with unlimited OT. No wonder the UNA fights against change and is wanting their membership to increase, what a racket they have going on.

I’m part of a unionized workforce myself and question the decisions that are made, and where the money from my dues go. But the UNA are on a whole different level.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

I think the ones that really enjoy the nursing crisis are the UNA. Why wouldn’t they? If you think about, they get 1.5% if the gross earnings of all of the nurses. When you have a majority of nurses being part-time/casual, not only do you have more people paying dues, but you have way more nurses making bank with unlimited OT. No wonder the UNA fights against change and is wanting their membership to increase, what a racket they have going on.

I’m part of a unionized workforce myself and question the decisions that are made, and where the money from my dues go. But the UNA are on a whole different level.

Of course they do!

A very clear incentivization for Unions to make sure people are never healthy.

Same with corporations who make drugs.