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[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Lol well I looked and scotland has had a falling firearms deaths 2006 .41 per/ 2010 .21 per. The uk have never used alot of firearms traditionally. Far to impersonal people can forget who shot them . Cutting is nice and personal so to speak . So not really relitive ime.

So by your own admission here, taking away firearms doesn't reduce murder, it merely changes the weapon/method. Same goes for suicide. The Britons who are less physically capable are thus less able to defend themselves. Firearms serve as a force-equalizer. If the murders still take place, why have your knickers so knotted about how the instrument used, rather than why they occurred & what motivated the assailant? Daft & illogical. The numbers don't lie, but you'll sure try to throw a spin on them.

Noting that the UK never much used firearms 'traditionally' is hysterical, I'll have to notify Holland & Holland.

[Winch101]

Would there more or less victim crime if we were all armed . Worth a try
One year every man , woman , child packing ....

Also total ban on driving for one year and compare the body counts .

And no meat from Costco , check the lysteria , ecoli , counts ...

My familly is American so I would be totally comfortable carrying ,
It's in the blood .

I have a set if Pikes from by gone days , now there's a weapon for
Self defense .

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

You missed the rights shining star.

Thanks for reminding me of the leader and founder of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler of course. Responsible for exterminating thousands of Jews AFTER he had taken their guns away.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

So by your own admission here, taking away firearms doesn't reduce murder, it merely changes the weapon/method. Same goes for suicide. The Britons who are less physically capable are thus less able to defend themselves. Firearms serve as a force-equalizer. If the murders still take place, why have your knickers so knotted about how the instrument used, rather than why they occurred & what motivated the assailant? Daft & illogical. The numbers don't lie, but you'll sure try to throw a spin on them.

Noting that the UK never much used firearms 'traditionally' is hysterical, I'll have to notify Holland & Holland.

I should of added in the commision of crime .

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Thanks for reminding me of the leader and founder of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler of course. Responsible for exterminating thousands of Jews AFTER he had taken their guns away.

Wait a minutes some one posted last week how the gerries ran away from the firearms. So confusing they took the guns, they didnt take the guns . Wierd how the soviet union was full of guns and your boy still made Moscow oh and most of a heavily armed europe whoops all those guns not one iota of good, there goes that entire argument.

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

This comes down to simple numbers imo . Canada's total homicides this year will run to abought 1000+/- . The fire arms deaths In US Alone will run abought 30k +/- . If one multiplies the total homicides in canada by 10 to give an equal population comparison we still end up with a drastic differance. Its not made up its not bias its the truth if the study G posted is correct . 21k of those deaths are wrongful and +/- 7 k are justified . If one reads BB paper the truth starts to come out 1:1800 firearms owner actually drew a firearm for protection. If one ccorrelates this to Canada's homicides . One death in canada per year as the result of protection of self . Which rings true . Therfore the us contains 200,000,000 firearms of which 7000 will doubtfully used for protection at the cost of 210000. Folks actually being killed unjustly by firearms. Yep its all down to cultue.

Gummer, you are out of touch using stats like that. You don't have to draw a firearm for it to protect you. A gun holstered on someones hip is a strong deterrence to anyone thinking about messing with the person. We will never know how many thieves, rapists etc get cold feet once they see the gun on someones hip. the gun doesn't have to be drawn for it to protect you... for many would be thieves the sight of a gun makes them run the other way... So, incase you cant understand that wihyour one track mind... holstered guns protect people. You pull stats out of your anus all day and week and month long it doesn't change the fact that having a gun strapped to your hip does a lot for your personal security of person. It will deter a lot if not most people for ever "messing" with you in any sort of way. the consequences are much too high. Is there idiots with guns? of course... just like there are idiots on computers spouting useless stats daily. if everyone were armed I dare say the idiots would weed themselves out of the game rather quickly. That's whats wrong witht he world today too many policies and rules to allow the stupid to prosper and survive. I say let the stupid make their mistakes... they will pay with their lives and be eliminated from the gene pool the world might not be such a bad place in 60 years

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

Gummer, you are out of touch using stats like that. You don't have to draw a firearm for it to protect you. A gun holstered on someones hip is a strong deterrence to anyone thinking about messing with the person. We will never know how many thieves, rapists etc get cold feet once they see the gun on someones hip. the gun doesn't have to be drawn for it to protect you... for many would be thieves the sight of a gun makes them run the other way... So, incase you cant understand that wihyour one track mind... holstered guns protect people. You pull stats out of your anus all day and week and month long it doesn't change the fact that having a gun strapped to your hip does a lot for your personal security of person. It will deter a lot if not most people for ever "messing" with you in any sort of way. the consequences are much too high. Is there idiots with guns? of course... just like there are idiots on computers spouting useless stats daily. if everyone were armed I dare say the idiots would weed themselves out of the game rather quickly. That's whats wrong witht he world today too many policies and rules to allow the stupid to prosper and survive. I say let the stupid make their mistakes... they will pay with their lives and be eliminated from the gene pool the world might not be such a bad place in 60 years

so why are so many not daily armed countries not rampant with crime Can, Aus, oh really most of the planet and the most armed day to day nation is rampant with crime and firearms deaths in the top 2% of the planet .
Sir you are a true conservitive humanitarian, the betterment of those less fortunate than your self is a shining example of how not to lead ones life in fear of attack . Much like rugs right wing poster boy.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Wait a minutes some one posted last week how the gerries ran away from the firearms. So confusing they took the guns, they didnt take the guns . Wierd how the soviet union was fill of guns and your boy still made Moscow oh and most of a heavily armed europe whoops all those guns not one iota of good, there goes that entire argument.

What the heck did you just say??

My translation (attempted): Wait a minute. Someone posted last week that the Germans ran away from firearms. I find this very confusing. They took the guns, they didn't take the guns. Weird how the Soviet Union was full of guns and your boy (Hitler I'm assuming, who isn't my boy...not sure why you'd say that) still made Moscow and most of a heavily armed Europe (and not sure what you're trying to convey with the rest of the sentence?)


Are you trying to say the Germans didn't take guns away from the Jews?

Maybe spend some time trying to form a coherent idea and it would be easier to have a civil debate with you. Not trying to be offensive or anything, but your posts are usually not all that easy to decipher as a result of your poor command of the English language. Again, not trying to insult you or anything.

I think I may have it. Are you trying to make the point that since the Germans were able to take over heavily armed Europe and a significant part of Russia that Jews having guns would have made no difference to them???

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by rugatika

What the heck did you just say??

My translation (attempted): Wait a minute. Someone posted last week that the Germans ran away from firearms. I find this very confusing. They took the guns, they didn't take the guns. Weird how the Soviet Union was full of guns and your boy (Hitler I'm assuming, who isn't my boy...not sure why you'd say that) still made Moscow and most of a heavily armed Europe (and not sure what you're trying to convey with the rest of the sentence?)


Are you trying to say the Germans didn't take guns away from the Jews?

Maybe spend some time trying to form a coherent idea and it would be easier to have a civil debate with you. Not trying to be offensive or anything, but your posts are usually not all that easy to decipher as a result of your poor command of the English language. Again, not trying to insult you or anything.

I think I may have it. Are you trying to make the point that since the Germans were able to take over heavily armed Europe and a significant part of Russia that Jews having guns would have made no difference to them???

bingo. could the french actually put more firearms on the maginot line .
Rug with the utmost respect I take no offence. You have a better command of composition and a key board .willingness to engage as shown by my envolvment in threads such as this is required not the effectiveness of one weapons. Force engagment with whatever means available ,support will be a certainty as the the one man standing draws others to the fray.
Know that I do attempt to improve my composition to be a more effective engagement.

[rugatika]

Be that as it may, taking away one's means of self defence for whatever reason robs that person of liberty. Having a gun at home does a rape victim very little good if she is raped leaving work at night. Who gets to make that decision? Is it justifiable to remove this liberty from her, because someone robbed a bank with a gun, or because someone left a gun laying around for a child to play with??


Gotta go. Been fun. Later.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Be that as it may, taking away one's means of self defence for whatever reason robs that person of liberty. Having a gun at home does a rape victim very little good if she is raped leaving work at night. Who gets to make that decision? Is it justifiable to remove this liberty from her, because someone robbed a bank with a gun, or because someone left a gun laying around for a child to play with??


Gotta go. Been fun. Later.

Sionara fine sir , many many means of self protection do not require firearms. Most of which are actually far quicker therefore far more effective. In an emergency.

[Matt L.]

What in the blue bloody hell does the Maginot line have to do with this debate? A massive military strategical blunder has no bearing on using a firearm for personal defence.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Sionara fine sir , many many means of self protection do not require firearms. Most of which are actually far quicker therefore far more effective. In an emergency.

Tell that to your wife holding the 12ga in your home.

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by expmler

Tell that to your wife holding the 12ga in your home.

haha... gummer is on spin cycle again lol

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

so why are so many not daily armed countries not rampant with crime Can, Aus, oh really most of the planet and the most armed day to day nation is rampant with crime and firearms deaths in the top 2% of the planet .
Sir you are a true conservitive humanitarian, the betterment of those less fortunate than your self is a shining example of how not to lead ones life in fear of attack . Much like rugs right wing poster boy.

Why do you want to foster along a bunch of idiots?

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

What in the blue bloody hell does the Maginot line have to do with this debate? A massive military strategical blunder has no bearing on using a firearm for personal defence.

It is completey relative, bunngle suggest armaments create a threat to reduce attack. Im simply useing that as one example . Rug suggested olde adolf disarmed the hebrew people before the genicide. I show millions of tons of firearms between the french Hebrew people and olde adolf . Lots of french Hebrew as with the rest of Europe's Hebrew people were protected by tons of firearms . Trained motivated people overcame staggering odd and many Hebrew folks became part of the genocide from behind tons of firearms.

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

It is completey relative, bunngle suggest armaments create a threat to reduce attack. Im simply useing that as one example . Rug suggested olde adolf disarmed the hebrew people before the genicide. I show millions of tons of firearms between the french Hebrew people and olde adolf . Lots of french Hebrew as with the rest of Europe's Hebrew people were protected by tons of firearms . Trained motivated people overcame staggering odd and many Hebrew folks became part of the genocide from behind tons of firearms.

Why does your wife protect you with her 12 guage bub?
Why are there guns period?
Why do the cops have guns?
Why does the military have guns?
Guns are good or people never wouldn't have made any or invented them.
I can kill you with a gun, a knife, my fists, my feet I can ram a carrot down your throat until your air supply is cut off and you suffocate.
Anything can be used to kill someone. Why are you so mad about guns? Why do you want more gun control the gun is as useless as a carrot until someone picks it up. Everyone should have a gun it should be mandatory. There would be a lot less petty arguments and a lot loss property and people on people crime. I don't know what the hell you think you are gonna do when 4 men over 6 feet and 200 lbs jonsing for drugs kick down your door and rush into your house you are getting tied up and robbed SFA you can do about it unless you have a gun and shoot a round into the floor. Even then, you might find they are so jonsing they don't care and still come for you anyways. You will be happy then to have your gun. Its the only thing that will difuse that situation. Unless of course you are Chuck Norris. Which I think you know you are.
guns protect peoples lives. that's why cops wear them. anyone that can prove they are not psychologically inept should be allowed to carry one if they want. Its interesting you can get an ATC to protect you from "dangerous wildlife" in the wilderness but you cant get them to protect from the "dangerous wildlife" in urban centres. I hope the laws are changed soon.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

Why do you want to foster along a bunch of idiots?

Churchhill , Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt T.E.lawrence. all fell under your heading in one form or another . Geeze glad the leader with your theories got a kikn through a bunch of idiots during WWll.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

It is completey relative, bunngle suggest armaments create a threat to reduce attack. Im simply useing that as one example . Rug suggested olde adolf disarmed the hebrew people before the genicide. I show millions of tons of firearms between the french Hebrew people and olde adolf . Lots of french Hebrew as with the rest of Europe's Hebrew people were protected by tons of firearms . Trained motivated people overcame staggering odd and many Hebrew folks became part of the genocide from behind tons of firearms.

So no guns were used to defeat adolf?

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by expmler

Tell that to your wife holding the 12ga in your home.

In the home being the crux of the discussion imo. Whilst another engages the intruder .in the case from above . Nice try though if the missus in our example was a black belt in akido id hold the shot gun whislt she engaged lol

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by expmler

So no guns were used to defeat adolf?

Who stated that ???

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

Why does your wife protect you with her 12 guage bub?
Why are there guns period?
Why do the cops have guns?
Why does the military have guns?
Guns are good or people never wouldn't have made any or invented them.
I can kill you with a gun, a knife, my fists, my feet I can ram a carrot down your throat until your air supply is cut off and you suffocate.
Anything can be used to kill someone. Why are you so mad about guns? Why do you want more gun control the gun is as useless as a carrot until someone picks it up. Everyone should have a gun it should be mandatory. There would be a lot less petty arguments and a lot loss property and people on people crime. I don't know what the hell you think you are gonna do when 4 men over 6 feet and 200 lbs jonsing for drugs kick down your door and rush into your house you are getting tied up and robbed SFA you can do about it unless you have a gun and shoot a round into the floor. Even then, you might find they are so jonsing they don't care and still come for you anyways. You will be happy then to have your gun. Its the only thing that will difuse that situation. Unless of course you are Chuck Norris. Which I think you know you are.
guns protect peoples lives. that's why cops wear them. anyone that can prove they are not psychologically inept should be allowed to carry one if they want. Its interesting you can get an ATC to protect you from "dangerous wildlife" in the wilderness but you cant get them to protect from the "dangerous wildlife" in urban centres. I hope the laws are changed soon.

Bahahahahaha ever laid eys on a 200lb junkie bahahaha. Priceless you sir are the perfect example of one living in fear ...

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

Why does your wife protect you with her 12 guage bub?
Why are there guns period?
Why do the cops have guns?
Why does the military have guns?
Guns are good or people never wouldn't have made any or invented them.
I can kill you with a gun, a knife, my fists, my feet I can ram a carrot down your throat until your air supply is cut off and you suffocate.
Anything can be used to kill someone. Why are you so mad about guns? Why do you want more gun control the gun is as useless as a carrot until someone picks it up. Everyone should have a gun it should be mandatory. There would be a lot less petty arguments and a lot loss property and people on people crime. I don't know what the hell you think you are gonna do when 4 men over 6 feet and 200 lbs jonsing for drugs kick down your door and rush into your house you are getting tied up and robbed SFA you can do about it unless you have a gun and shoot a round into the floor. Even then, you might find they are so jonsing they don't care and still come for you anyways. You will be happy then to have your gun. Its the only thing that will difuse that situation. Unless of course you are Chuck Norris. Which I think you know you are.
guns protect peoples lives. that's why cops wear them. anyone that can prove they are not psychologically inept should be allowed to carry one if they want. Its interesting you can get an ATC to protect you from "dangerous wildlife" in the wilderness but you cant get them to protect from the "dangerous wildlife" in urban centres. I hope the laws are changed soon.

What urban center is so harrowing that you need to arm yourself in Canada?

Just curious.

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Churchhill , Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt T.E.lawrence. all fell under your heading in one form or another . Geeze glad the leader with your theories got a kikn through a bunch of idiots during WWll.

These "idiots" were smart enough to look aftet themselves and not make themselves a dreg to society. There is a difference. I guess im talking about the idiots that the rest of us idiots have to pay for. Governemnt programs for people who are too damn lazy and stupid to help themselves. The criminals. Those idiots. I don't know what they hell you are talking about the leader of my theories. I have no theory about anything. I know there are a lot of idiots. I guess you like being surrounded by a bunch of deadbeat scumbags that will rob and steal from you. that's Awesome you win the humanity award. Pesonally I hate scumbag deadbeat screw ups. Why yould you want to foster these type of people along I must ask you again since you didn't reply

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by Gust

What urban center is so harrowing that you need to arm yourself in Canada?

Just curious.

Anyone can be.. lunatics and addicts that want to rob you or steal your vehicle can be found in any city in Canada. I would rather be prepared for one of these instances than not.
I am not saying I wouldn't go anywhere without a gun. Just that I would feel safer with one. I have been robbed at knifepoint in Halifax. I would of liked to have had a gun on my hip that night. I betcha I wouldn't of been robbed. And no I wasn't doing anything to deserve it gummer I was walking home with my gf at the time from a club when a guy came out of the alley surprising me. it would of been nice to have a gun in that instance. It can happen anywhere anytime.

[Burglecut83]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Bahahahahaha ever laid eys on a 200lb junkie bahahaha. Priceless you sir are the perfect example of one living in fear ...

bahahah rob ford comes to mind! ever watch cops... all kinds of fat junkies hahahaha wtf?

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

Anyone can be.. lunatics and addicts that want to rob you or steal your vehicle can be found in any city in Canada. I would rather be prepared for one of these instances than not.
I am not saying I wouldn't go anywhere without a gun. Just that I would feel safer with one. I have been robbed at knifepoint in Halifax. I would of liked to have had a gun on my hip that night. I betcha I wouldn't of been robbed. And no I wasn't doing anything to deserve it gummer I was walking home with my gf at the time from a club when a guy came out of the alley surprising me. it would of been nice to have a gun in that instance. It can happen anywhere anytime.

You obviously diffused the situation and here you are.

[220swifty]

Originally Posted by Gust

What urban center is so harrowing that you need to arm yourself in Canada?

Just curious.

To me, it isn't need, it's the right to have the choice.

Perhaps not an urban centre at all, but maybe I want to hike up the Ram and toss in a line or pack a picnic with my gal. I'd like to chose to take a 4" revolver on my hip instead of a 22" rifle on my back. My life, my property, my choice. If I infringe on your quality of life, that's where the legal system should step in. Until then, let me live as I choose.

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

These "idiots" were smart enough to look aftet themselves and not make themselves a dreg to society. There is a difference. I guess im talking about the idiots that the rest of us idiots have to pay for. Governemnt programs for people who are too damn lazy and stupid to help themselves. The criminals. Those idiots. I don't know what they hell you are talking about the leader of my theories. I have no theory about anything. I know there are a lot of idiots. I guess you like being surrounded by a bunch of deadbeat scumbags that will rob and steal from you. that's Awesome you win the humanity award. Pesonally I hate scumbag deadbeat screw ups. Why yould you want to foster these type of people along I must ask you again since you didn't reply

I think you have ccw/ocw confused with cleansing.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Burglecut83

These "idiots" were smart enough to look aftet themselves and not make themselves a dreg to society. There is a difference. I guess im talking about the idiots that the rest of us idiots have to pay for. Governemnt programs for people who are too damn lazy and stupid to help themselves. The criminals. Those idiots. I don't know what they hell you are talking about the leader of my theories. I have no theory about anything. I know there are a lot of idiots. I guess you like being surrounded by a bunch of deadbeat scumbags that will rob and steal from you. that's Awesome you win the humanity award. Pesonally I hate scumbag deadbeat screw ups. Why yould you want to foster these type of people along I must ask you again since you didn't reply

Sir your shining vision of the rest of society is a sad sad portrait of your inner projections. I personally have lived for many years in canada and never locked my doors . Moving to red deer last year is the first time in 20yrs I lock my vehicle and home. A small concession to city life. In my adult life living in some nice areas you wont of heard of I personally have never had the missfortue of being robbed or having much stolen. A watch and a pool cue which I susspect were lifted by friends of roomates (gainfully employed) so in the one fire arm inccedent I have ever wittnessed as a civilian ,completely defused by unarmed individuals as valor over came weaponry before the weapon was brought to bear. For some reason RUGS fights for all that is good in mankind (which I tend to side with ) and you bring all that is bad both on and he same side of the fence. go with out fear for it is the true enemy.