How to reduce child support payments & an ass kicker of a lawyer needed

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Stupid system. Would be much better system if it was for example, taking 30%(or whatever) straight off of your pay from work each pay period. You make lots, kid(mom) gets lots. You don’t make much, you still pay the same percentage off your pay.
A percentage system instead of set number system.

I get what you're saying, but that's not how life works. If dad decides to quit his job and makes nothing, it's not like the kids no longer need food, cloths, heat, etc. That's why it's a set number.

[amosfella]

I'm not going to get married, or have a gf until all my stuff is in trust, and all my affairs are set up in a way that I own nothing, have no income, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, if a woman 'doesn't need a man in her life', she doesn't need a man's money either. If she wants the kids too, because she 'doesn't need a man in her life' because she's a 'strong and independent woman', she doesn't need a man's money for the kids, and she can be 'strong and independent' somewhere else.

Marriage and relationships have become such that it's all liabilities for the men, and the woman has nothing but upsides no matter what choices she makes no matter how it affects the man's life. If she stays, he supports her, and if she leaves, he supports her. She has him support her even if she has another guy or guys on the side. She can be 'strong and independent', but it seems that she needs to have someone else's dimes to be that. And this has become a major problem in society.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I'm not going to get married, or have a gf until all my stuff is in trust, and all my affairs are set up in a way that I own nothing, have no income, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, if a woman 'doesn't need a man in her life', she doesn't need a man's money either. If she wants the kids too, because she 'doesn't need a man in her life' because she's a 'strong and independent woman', she doesn't need a man's money for the kids, and she can be 'strong and independent' somewhere else.

Marriage and relationships have become such that it's all liabilities for the men, and the woman has nothing but upsides no matter what choices she makes no matter how it affects the man's life. If she stays, he supports her, and if she leaves, he supports her. She has him support her even if she has another guy or guys on the side. She can be 'strong and independent', but it seems that she needs to have someone else's dimes to be that. And this has become a major problem in society.

Guaranteed with that attitude you’ll never have to deal with a wife or gf.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Guaranteed with that attitude you’ll never have to deal with a wife or gf.

That's fine. I like my peace and quiet.

[liar]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Guaranteed with that attitude you’ll never have to deal with a wife or gf.

Some would call that a win/win .

[Hawkeye]

Bigamy is one wife too many.
Monogamy is.......more or less the same thing!

[birdman86]

Marriage sucks. Seen too many girls that change the moment that paper is signed. Like flicking a switch, even the ones that seemed like good people.

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I'm not going to get married, or have a gf until all my stuff is in trust, and all my affairs are set up in a way that I own nothing, have no income, etc.

You are going to be one lonely dude.

[KC1]

Originally Posted by birdman86

Marriage sucks. Seen too many girls that change the moment that paper is signed. Like flicking a switch, even the ones that seemed like good people.

Totally disagree
Best thing that ever happened to me was getting married!

[Talking moose]

Introverted personality’s do well single.
Extroverted people need other people in their lives more often.
Each to their own.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by shep dog

You are going to be one lonely dude.

That's fine. I like my peace and quiet.

Also, I didn't say that I wouldn't have use of stuff, just that I wouldn't own it in my name.

[Jigsalot]

Originally Posted by KC1

Totally disagree
Best thing that ever happened to me was getting married!

X2

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by KC1

Totally disagree
Best thing that ever happened to me was getting married!

Completely agree. Find the right one and you will change your mind.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Introverted personality’s do well single.
Extroverted people need other people in their lives more often.
Each to their own.

So true

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by amosfella

That's fine. I like my peace and quiet.

Also, I didn't say that I wouldn't have use of stuff, just that I wouldn't own it in my name.

I guess "peace and quite" are nicknames for your hands?

Yeah, you better occupy yourself with all of your stuff...you're going to have plenty of time on your hands.

Best of luck.

[Duster_80]

Originally Posted by KC1

Wondering how you would feel if you read this about 30 or 40 years ago and your Dad was the poster?
Trying to see it two ways, also from the kids perspective!

I can tell you right now that if I saw this when I was a kid, it would have made me think twice about a lot of the things that my mother was doing and did, as my kids are seeing now and then finding out. They are pretty young still but there is some satisfaction knowing that at some point in time, like most kids they will know or find out the entire story and the **** that was pulled. I've seen it first hand and witnessed if fracture the relationship. At the end of the day it comes full circle for everyone. Karma is a bitch.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by shep dog

I guess "peace and quite" are nicknames for your hands?

Yeah, you better occupy yourself with all of your stuff...you're going to have plenty of time on your hands.

Best of luck.

I think he said QUIET..and IF you are referring to his hands in a sexual context,there's a lot folks going without besides being "married"
This thread has gone off the tracks

[tri777]

Originally Posted by shep dog

I guess "peace and quite" are nicknames for your hands?

Yeah, you better occupy yourself with all of your stuff...you're going to have plenty of time on your hands.

Best of luck.

*Vomit post*

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I'm not going to get married, or have a gf until all my stuff is in trust, and all my affairs are set up in a way that I own nothing, have no income, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, if a woman 'doesn't need a man in her life', she doesn't need a man's money either. If she wants the kids too, because she 'doesn't need a man in her life' because she's a 'strong and independent woman', she doesn't need a man's money for the kids, and she can be 'strong and independent' somewhere else.

Marriage and relationships have become such that it's all liabilities for the men, and the woman has nothing but upsides no matter what choices she makes no matter how it affects the man's life. If she stays, he supports her, and if she leaves, he supports her. She has him support her even if she has another guy or guys on the side. She can be 'strong and independent', but it seems that she needs to have someone else's dimes to be that. And this has become a major problem in society.

After reading this post, I truly feel sorry for you. You aren't wrong in thinking that having a wife and kids puts all of your assets at risk but in my eyes, having all that stuff with no one isn't much of a life.
Do what ever makes you happy though.

I have financially supported my family from the start and that was my choice. We have been lucky enough to live a decent lifestyle off of my income alone and that has allowed my wife to be a stay at home mom. I make sacrifices with being the sole bread winner and she makes sacrifices doing what she does....It's kind of a 'give and take' type of deal we have. It works for us and I don't think either of us has it any easier than the other.

[pikeman06]

[QUOTE=shep dog;4257916]I guess "peace and quite" are nicknames for your hands?

That is pure magic shep dog. Bahaha.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I have financially supported my family from the start and that was my choice. We have been lucky enough to live a decent lifestyle off of my income alone and that has allowed my wife to be a stay at home mom. I make sacrifices with being the sole bread winner and she makes sacrifices doing what she does....It's kind of a 'give and take' type of deal we have. It works for us and I don't think either of us has it any easier than the other.

Cheers Buckbrush, one of the best post on here, and I’m not just saying that because it could have been me who wrote it.

[daveyn]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I'm not going to get married, or have a gf until all my stuff is in trust, and all my affairs are set up in a way that I own nothing, have no income, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, if a woman 'doesn't need a man in her life', she doesn't need a man's money either. If she wants the kids too, because she 'doesn't need a man in her life' because she's a 'strong and independent woman', she doesn't need a man's money for the kids, and she can be 'strong and independent' somewhere else.

Marriage and relationships have become such that it's all liabilities for the men, and the woman has nothing but upsides no matter what choices she makes no matter how it affects the man's life. If she stays, he supports her, and if she leaves, he supports her. She has him support her even if she has another guy or guys on the side. She can be 'strong and independent', but it seems that she needs to have someone else's dimes to be that. And this has become a major problem in society.

Wow, right out of the 60's. You know there are women out there that make a pretty decent living and are well able to support themselves without anybody else's money and they really don't need a man for anything, but think its kind of nice to have one around. I know, I married one and I think its kind of nice to have her around too. I have lots of stuff, she has lots of stuff, she really doesn't want any of my stuff and vice versa. Kids are gone, just us, its nice, I like it a lot.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

After reading this post, I truly feel sorry for you. You aren't wrong in thinking that having a wife and kids puts all of your assets at risk but in my eyes, having all that stuff with no one isn't much of a life.
Do what ever makes you happy though.

I have financially supported my family from the start and that was my choice. We have been lucky enough to live a decent lifestyle off of my income alone and that has allowed my wife to be a stay at home mom. I make sacrifices with being the sole bread winner and she makes sacrifices doing what she does....It's kind of a 'give and take' type of deal we have. It works for us and I don't think either of us has it any easier than the other.

The problem is the throw away and I deserve better attitude of my generation. If her friends who are unhappy convince her that she deserves better, she's gone, and you're left holding the bag.

As far as I can see, if the problems that come from losing half of everything is removed, one can enjoy life a lot better. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

In my situation, I've seen more than a couple of cases where a girl marries a guy who is to inherit a large set of assets, eg., a farm, profitable company or business, etc., she sticks around til a few years after he gets it, and she splits, and he generally loses half of that inheritance plus having to sell more of the assets off to pay for lawyers. Whether that's due to poor lawyers or bad judges is unclear. I know of more than a few cases where this has happened. I know 3 personally. It's interesting that this pattern seems to crop up around 3 years after the guy has gotten the assets in his name.

With most intergenerational transfers of farms being done by 'purchase' rather than by a traditional will to skirt the tax laws, the property is considered property acquired during the marriage, and therefore up for grabs. Even if she never contributed a dime to the purchase.

In fact, I kicked one girl out who was trying to convince me to buy my parents out, and for me to marry her. I walked in on her having a conversation with one of her friends on the phone discussing how if she could convince me to do that, she'd have hit the lottery jackpot, and be able to take millions. I was sneaking into the house to surprise her, heard her on the phone, and stopped to listen when the conversation seemed to be about me on her plans for me.

That made me incredibly wary as I thought she was a good girl, and she never asked for what I considered to be too much. The rules are different when the game has higher stakes.

Now, I'm glad that you have the life I dream about. However, I haven't dated any girls that after a short while start showing a nature that I don't want in my life. Example, a girl I went out with for a very short while told me that she couldn't wait for her 'adopted' father to die so that she can sell the place, and get something more suited to her "status". Her 'father' had told me that he wanted to leave that property to his blood son. That was the end of that very quickly. But I'm glad you found someone that works well in your life.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

After reading this post, I truly feel sorry for you. You aren't wrong in thinking that having a wife and kids puts all of your assets at risk but in my eyes, having all that stuff with no one isn't much of a life.
Do what ever makes you happy though.

I have financially supported my family from the start and that was my choice. We have been lucky enough to live a decent lifestyle off of my income alone and that has allowed my wife to be a stay at home mom. I make sacrifices with being the sole bread winner and she makes sacrifices doing what she does....It's kind of a 'give and take' type of deal we have. It works for us and I don't think either of us has it any easier than the other.

My brother from another mother.

Exactly the same here.

Honestly I have never had a live in relationship with anyone that worked, mostly because of my locale. When I was young my parents were out the door before daylight and back after daylight most of the time when I was old enough to fend for myself, and I swore my kids would not do that. I did what I had to, to keep a roof power heat and food available for them, even if it meant leaving for work Monday and coming back Friday, but my kids were never alone or in daycare/babysat for more than a couple days by grandparents.
Life is what we make of it, my friend.

[New Hunter Okotoks]

There never seem to be any strong, equal, empowered, independent women in family court for some reason.

[KegRiver]

I made two mistakes. First was marrying a woman with emotional issues.
Second was trying to do right by our children without a court order.

Wound up on fixed payments that could not be appealed.

I learned my lesson and chose wisely the second time around.

There are some incredible women in the world, you just have to learn to think with your head instead of your gonads.

Remember, looks fade, a nasty personality only gets worse.

[Freedom55]

"I'm not going to get married again. I'm going to look around for a woman who doesn't like me and BUY HER A HOUSE"- Rodney Dangerfield

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

"I'm not going to get married again. I'm going to look around for a woman who doesn't like me and BUY HER A HOUSE"- Rodney Dangerfield

Hahahaha!

[altex]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Introverted personality’s do well single.
Extroverted people need other people in their lives more often.
Each to their own.

I am a prime example. This is so true.

[ren008]

Marry up not down boys and you wont have these troubles.