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Old 11-21-2020, 07:15 PM
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Gentlemen/women, I sincerely hope we are discussing Put-and-Take fisheries in man-made reservoirs, largely paid for with tax payer dollars.

As goldscud said: "I haven't looked into where the government money gets allocated."

Don't bight the hand the feeds you.

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Old 11-21-2020, 09:40 PM
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Gentlemen/women, I sincerely hope we are discussing Put-and-Take fisheries in man-made reservoirs, largely paid for with tax payer dollars.

As goldscud said: "I haven't looked into where the government money gets allocated."

Don't bight the hand the feeds you.
Uh, no. We are talking about aeration, and the lack of it for fear of legal actions by the stupid people of the world. YOU are the one obsessed with put and take fisheries. You are the one who started insulting valued members of our community. If you work for the ACA, come out and say so. Your attitude reminds me of that arrogance (of ignorance) that we have put up with for decades from the fisheries bios in this province. Only recently has this started to change, and it is long overdue.

If you donít want money spent on aeration and put and take fisheries, that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion, as of today, Canada is still a free country. Say your peace and donít let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

How many hours a year do you volunteer for fish and wildlife projects, and or conservation organizations? Some of us have given a significant portion of our lives to try and create better opportunities for the citizens of Alberta, both current and future. Your approach to discussing conservation issues is caustic, at best.

Enjoy what so many others have worked hard for to provide you the opportunity... including those you have insulted most.

No respect. At all.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:55 PM
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Canít say I am impressed with the annual financial report. Also hard to find where they are spending money. Looks like little in the way of hard questions.

I would love to do an in-depth review of the organization to ensure this not for profit is delivering value or is some eco country club.

https://www.ab-conservation.com/down...ts_2019-20.pdf

For example...telephone and communications. $160,000? What is this? Sometimes lump sums and a common term just has people gloss over it.

To find more money for projects like Police Outpost aeration...it has to come from somewhere.

Also...very hard from their website to see what grants are given out end two whom or which projects.
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:48 PM
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Also...very hard from their website to see what grants are given out end two whom or which projects.
Grants are identified in the annual report I linked earlier.
As I said one grant is for the "Environmental, genetic, and social influences on sex ratio in the boreal ant (Formica podzolica)"...
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:48 AM
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Uh, no. We are talking about aeration, and the lack of it for fear of legal actions by the stupid people of the world. YOU are the one obsessed with put and take fisheries. You are the one who started insulting valued members of our community. If you work for the ACA, come out and say so. Your attitude reminds me of that arrogance (of ignorance) that we have put up with for decades from the fisheries bios in this province. Only recently has this started to change, and it is long overdue.

If you donít want money spent on aeration and put and take fisheries, that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion, as of today, Canada is still a free country. Say your peace and donít let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

How many hours a year do you volunteer for fish and wildlife projects, and or conservation organizations? Some of us have given a significant portion of our lives to try and create better opportunities for the citizens of Alberta, both current and future. Your approach to discussing conservation issues is caustic, at best.

Enjoy what so many others have worked hard for to provide you the opportunity... including those you have insulted most.

No respect. At all.
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Thank you. To the point and articulate. Well said.
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Old 11-24-2020, 11:04 PM
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Uh, no. We are talking about aeration, and the lack of it for fear of legal actions by the stupid people of the world. YOU are the one obsessed with put and take fisheries. You are the one who started insulting valued members of our community. If you work for the ACA, come out and say so. Your attitude reminds me of that arrogance (of ignorance) that we have put up with for decades from the fisheries bios in this province. Only recently has this started to change, and it is long overdue.
Yes, we are talking about aerating Put-and-Take fisheries, namely because last year's stocked fish will not survive the winter in man-made reservoirs without aeration. Can we agree on that?

Friend, in no way, shape, or form am I obsessed with Put-and-Take fisheries.

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You are the one who started insulting valued members of our community. If you work for the ACA, come out and say so. Your attitude reminds me of that arrogance (of ignorance) that we have put up with for decades from the fisheries bios in this province. Only recently has this started to change, and it is long overdue.
This is simply beneath me.

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If you donít want money spent on aeration and put and take fisheries, that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion, as of today, Canada is still a free country. Say your peace and donít let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.
Yes, I am entitled to my opinion. It's odd how you contrast a free country with a differing point of view, and crude in my opinion.

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How many hours a year do you volunteer for fish and wildlife projects, and or conservation organizations? Some of us have given a significant portion of our lives to try and create better opportunities for the citizens of Alberta, both current and future. Your approach to discussing conservation issues is caustic, at best.
Aerating stocked Put-and-Take fisheries is nothing more than producing larger, non-reproductive fish until the next stocking truck arrives.

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Enjoy what so many others have worked hard for to provide you the opportunity... including those you have insulted most.

No respect. At all
No insults intended.
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Old 11-24-2020, 11:22 PM
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Canít say I am impressed with the annual financial report. Also hard to find where they are spending money. Looks like little in the way of hard questions.

I would love to do an in-depth review of the organization to ensure this not for profit is delivering value or is some eco country club.

https://www.ab-conservation.com/down...ts_2019-20.pdf

For example...telephone and communications. $160,000? What is this? Sometimes lump sums and a common term just has people gloss over it.

To find more money for projects like Police Outpost aeration...it has to come from somewhere.

Also...very hard from their website to see what grants are given out end two whom or which projects.
Fair enough, you're not impressed.

Specific numbers, facts, details...that would make your argument stronger.

Always easy to critisize.
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Old 11-25-2020, 12:45 AM
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Aerating stocked Put-and-Take fisheries is nothing more than producing larger, non-reproductive fish until the next stocking truck arrives.
So....?

Stocking put and take fisheries is nothing more than adding non-reproductive fish until the next stocking truck arrives....
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:05 AM
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Specific numbers, facts, details...that would make your argument stronger.
Not here to argue...just stating facts;

From an old post...

"2019 levy revenue collected by the ACA from hunting and fishing licenses was $13.5 million

Of the $13.5 million collected, $7.3 million went directly to staff salaries alone
The ACA has a staff of about 80 people, of which 50 - 60 are biologists/techs
The CEO's salary is $305,000 per year"


The ACA collects $18.30 from each fishing licence sold....so, you need to sell 16,700 fishing licences to pay the yearly salary of the CEO of the ACA

55% of the levy goes to staff salaries alone...add to that trucks, fuel, building rental, communications, grants, insurance, travel, advertising and all other ancillaries....How much of the $13.5 million collected do you think actually results in tangible benefits "in the field"?

Read the financial reports that are freely available on their site...make your own decision if the levy money is well spent.

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Old 11-25-2020, 05:55 PM
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So....?

Stocking put and take fisheries is nothing more than adding non-reproductive fish until the next stocking truck arrives....
$$$
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Old 11-25-2020, 06:18 PM
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Not here to argue...just stating facts;

From an old post...

"2019 levy revenue collected by the ACA from hunting and fishing licenses was $13.5 million

Of the $13.5 million collected, $7.3 million went directly to staff salaries alone
The ACA has a staff of about 80 people, of which 50 - 60 are biologists/techs
The CEO's salary is $305,000 per year"


The ACA collects $18.30 from each fishing licence sold....so, you need to sell 16,700 fishing licences to pay the yearly salary of the CEO of the ACA

55% of the levy goes to staff salaries alone...add to that trucks, fuel, building rental, communications, grants, insurance, travel, advertising and all other ancillaries....How much of the $13.5 million collected do you think actually results in tangible benefits "in the field"?

Read the financial reports that are freely available on their site...make your own decision if the levy money is well spent.
Sorry friend, old posts from whatever source don't carry much weight today.

Three simple facts:

1) The ACA has a budget.
2) The ACA has a mandate.
3) The ACA does not take directions from amateur fishery biologists.
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:30 PM
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Sorry friend, old posts from whatever source don't carry much weight today.

Three simple facts:

1) The ACA has a budget.
2) The ACA has a mandate.
3) The ACA does not take directions from amateur fishery biologists.
Gotta love #3 - and the results are obvious.

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Old 11-26-2020, 05:55 PM
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Sorry friend, old posts from whatever source don't carry much weight today.
Here is the source...from the ACA website;

https://www.ab-conservation.com/down...ual_report.pdf
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