Bass? Alberta?

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Other than the huge costs of creating a new hatchery or importing fish from the U.S.

Where is the huge cost of a new hatchery one hatchery can handle more then one breed of fish

[Jorg]

Now I have to go through my stack of magazines to find an article written about how Alberta needs to keep up with changes in our enviroment before it's to late It mentioned introducing new fish species I recall --- any one remember who wrote it ?

[avb3]

Originally Posted by mikeo2

Cattle are huge competitors with native ungulates for food and voracious eaters, does that mean cattle are bad and we need to get rid of them and tear down all the fences in Alberta and re-introduce bison everywhere?

Most of our ungulates are browsers, not grazers.

[Overdrawn]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Why not cut down on the amount of trout restocked each year and introduce a new fishery HOW MANY TROUT DO PEOPLE NEED

2X I seen an awsome Pike and Perch Fishery blue stoned and drained to kill off the Pike and Perch, (I seen Pike up to 25lbs and 1.5lb Perch come out of the Dam) to reintroduce Trout so some coffin dodger can sit on shore with his Pickrel rig and Cheese balls to catch a muddy tasting, nonrenewable resource. And the same year they filled it back up they found that the Perch and Pike surrvived. That dam leads to no where and would be perfect to give Bass a try.
I love fly fishing but can't justify the money wasted on the put and take ponds. Keep some of them yes but most of them let them go. Nobody even fishes 3/4 of the ones I know about because there boring.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Jorg

Now I have to go through my stack of magazines to find an article written about how Alberta needs to keep up with changes in our enviroment before it's to late It mentioned introducing new fish species I recall --- any one remember who wrote it ?

don't recall who but do remember seeing article don't know which mag

[avb3]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

oka.if scientists had all the answers why did Island lake fail? Why did they try it

Scientists are the last people who say they have all the answers. They also use the precautionary principle when making recommendations to avoid the mistake of unintended consequences.

It is just bad fish and game management to introduce non-native species into an ecosystem.

There are some neutral examples (huns as example), many, many examples where things went horribly wrong and no one can show any long term good examples of where an introduced species, plant or animal, has enhanced an ecosystem.

As that is a given, why play with fire if one doesn't have to.

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

don't recall who but do remember seeing article don't know which mag

It was either AO or WS and it was written by one of the posters on this thread if I recall right ---it's gonna take a bit to find it I think lol

Originally Posted by Jorg

It was either AO or WS and it was written by one of the posters on this thread if I recall right ---it's gonna take a bit to find it I think lol

Likely a good idea if you do reread it...lol

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by avb3

Scientists are the last people who say they have all the answers. They also use the precautionary principle when making recommendations to avoid the mistake of unintended consequences.

It is just bad fish and game management to introduce non-native species into an ecosystem.

There are some neutral examples (huns as example), many, many examples where things went horribly wrong and no one can show any long term good examples of where an introduced species, plant or animal, has enhanced an ecosystem.

As that is a given, why play with fire if one doesn't have to.

Fire can be good sometimes it is not always bad

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Where is the huge cost of a new hatchery one hatchery can handle more then one breed of fish

Are you sure our hatcheries are capable of doing that?

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

okay..suppliment the expense with licence fees....you play you PAY.

No one knows it will be marginal......if scientists had all the answers why did Island lake fail? Why did they try it?
Is it possible a southern res may work?
Can a Bass fishery be a economic bonus like the Bow.
Ask the fishinggeeks what happened when the nets broke in saskabush.

im sorry but so called scientist and fishery people backed by scientists are not running on a good track record with current fishery decisions........

Not sure I'd call a couple guys doing some occasional guiding a economic bonus. Well for the two of them I guess it is....lol

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Are you sure our hatcheries are capable of doing that?

Im sure if they are cutting down on the numbers of trout here should be ponds open for bass.



PS it wasn't you who wrote that article was it ....lol

[greylynx]

What would you guys say about stocking Chinook Salmon in Lesser Slave Lake?

Anyone ever heard of this idea?

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Im sure if they are cutting down on the numbers of trout here should be ponds open for bass.



PS it wasn't you who wrote that article was it ....lol

A bit more to rearing fish than that from my understanding. I doubt it would be that simple.

I did write a similar article but not that one....lol

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Not sure I'd call a couple guys doing some occasional guiding a economic bonus. Well for the two of them I guess it is....lol

i hope that number isnt scientifc...lol
Im sure the Bow river has huge economic benifits...im not sure of numbers but between hotels, food, air, tackle and so forth its substanial.

Why because a so called BAD fish lives in the Bow River

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

i hope that number isnt scientifc...lol
Im sure the Bow river has huge economic benifits...im not sure of numbers but between hotels, food, air, tackle and so forth its substanial.

Why because a so called BAD fish lives in the Bow River

I was speaking to your comment about The Fishing Geeks.

I doubt you'd see a marginal smallmouth fishery attract much economic boom. The folks on Vancouver Island aren't getting rich and that is a world-class smallmouth fishery.

[Jorg]

There has been a lot of threads and posts on this subject but I can't remember one post showing any proof that Bass will have a bad impact on any native species.

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by Jorg

There has been a lot of threads and posts on this subject but I can't remember one post showing any proof that Bass will have a bad impact on any native species.

There have been a lot of threads and posts on this subject but I can't remember one post showing any proof that bass will have a positive impact on any native species.

Originally Posted by Jorg

There has been a lot of threads and posts on this subject but I can't remember one post showing any proof that Bass will have a bad impact on any native species.

Pretty hard to prove a negative until after the fact.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

I was speaking to your comment about The Fishing Geeks.

I doubt you'd see a marginal smallmouth fishery attract much economic boom. The folks on Vancouver Island aren't getting rich and that is a world-class smallmouth fishery.

well i didnt mean they are getting rich......i meant much is too be learned about that situation and what happened at CVR.

it tough to compete with a salmon area.....but the cowichan browns do recieve some attention.

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

A bit more to rearing fish than that from my understanding. I doubt it would be that simple.

I did write a similar article but not that one....lol

My memory might be foggy but I was sure you wrote the article I will have to find it -- I might be foggy on the contents as well. Do you remember the date and make of the magazine?

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

well i didnt mean they are getting rich......i meant much is too be learned about that situation and what happened at CVR.

it tough to compete with a salmon area.....but the cowichan browns do recieve some attention.

If smallmouth are that popular, you'd think Vancouver Island would be overrun. Last few times I've been out there I haven't run into a single bass fisherman...lots of guys fishing for trout but not bass.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by avb3

Scientists are the last people who say they have all the answers. They also use the precautionary principle when making recommendations to avoid the mistake of unintended consequences.

It is just bad fish and game management to introduce non-native species into an ecosystem.

There are some neutral examples (huns as example), many, many examples where things went horribly wrong and no one can show any long term good examples of where an introduced species, plant or animal, has enhanced an ecosystem.

As that is a given, why play with fire if one doesn't have to.

Just because you say it is a given does NOT make it true

Originally Posted by Jorg

My memory might be foggy but I was sure you wrote the article I will have to find it -- I might be foggy on the contents as well. Do you remember the date and make of the magazine?

It was several years ago for AO....sorry but I can't remember the date. You'd be disappointed if you read it anyhow...lol

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

A bit more to rearing fish than that from my understanding. I doubt it would be that simple.

I did write a similar article but not that one....lol

Actually had a friend back home that had a hatchery he raise multiple species with no issues

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Pretty hard to prove a negative until after the fact.

It is -- but look around Alberta is not a pristine wilderness, everywhere you go it is chopped up farm land and oil and gas property most of our water bodies in the south are man made. Things have changed. I don't understand why a little more change that will make a bunch of people happy brings out all the conservationists who preach all the doom and gloom.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Pretty hard to prove a negative until after the fact.

but they already stocked bass and it showed no negative impact on any native species

[pickrel pat]

anybody take a stab at why we dont relocate polar bears to alberta?....... because it would be stupid, expensive, unneccesary, they might not survive, and they might throw the ecosystem out of whack should they survive..... hey.... thats very similar to the bass of this thread..... or do you think we need polar bears? 1 more specie to hunt...... maybe not such a bad idea..... lmao!!!! i kill myself!!!!

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

There have been a lot of threads and posts on this subject but I can't remember one post showing any proof that bass will have a positive impact on any native species.

WOW even native species don't show a positive impact on other native species
but native species sure show a negative impact on native species

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by pickrel pat

anybody take a stab at why we dont relocate polar bears to alberta?....... because it would be stupid, expensive, unneccesary, they might not survive, and they might throw the ecosystem out of whack should they survive..... hey.... thats very similar to the bass of this thread..... or do you think we need polar bears? 1 more specie to hunt...... maybe not such a bad idea..... lmao!!!! i kill myself!!!!

I'm thinking cause we are short of seals and icebergs