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Old 03-27-2009, 03:34 PM
bullgetter bullgetter is offline
 
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I believe the vote in GP was fair and have no issues with the outcome. At this point in time I'm thinking a proxy vote should be done. This way when the proxy vote goes in favor of the DAO no one has the right to bitch.
The ATA does not have the information about DAO's locked in a vault somewhere. The info is out there if you take the time to find and read it.
Remember the vote was to persue developing a DAO proposal not for mass implementation of a plan that has not even been drafted yet.
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Old 03-27-2009, 04:34 PM
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I believe the vote in GP was fair and have no issues with the outcome. At this point in time I'm thinking a proxy vote should be done. This way when the proxy vote goes in favor of the DAO no one has the right to bitch.
The ATA does not have the information about DAO's locked in a vault somewhere. The info is out there if you take the time to find and read it.
Remember the vote was to persue developing a DAO proposal not for mass implementation of a plan that has not even been drafted yet.
I think you nailed it.
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Old 03-29-2009, 10:46 AM
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I believe the vote in GP was fair and have no issues with the outcome. At this point in time I'm thinking a proxy vote should be done. This way when the proxy vote goes in favor of the DAO no one has the right to bitch.
The ATA does not have the information about DAO's locked in a vault somewhere. The info is out there if you take the time to find and read it.
Remember the vote was to persue developing a DAO proposal not for mass implementation of a plan that has not even been drafted yet.
Bullgetter,

Could you please direct some of us who are having trouble finding the info.

I looked on the ATA website but couldn't find it there. As I am not good with researching info over the net any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Glad to see that you arein favor of a proxy vote.

Thanks,
Rafter
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Old 03-29-2009, 03:56 PM
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good post!

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Old 03-29-2009, 04:03 PM
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Quote from ATA constitution


Voted on and changed by the voting members at the Lac La Biche AGM in 2004


1. REGULAR MEMBERS are those who are actively engaged in the business of trapping and hold a valid and subsisting Alberta license to do so as well as a full regular membership in the Association. Regular members have voting privileges and full rights of discussion at all general meetings of the Association. Voting privileges and the right to hold office are granted only to Regular Members except as outlined in sub-section 2 of 6 of Section III
Thanks very much for clarifying this. To quote the bylaw of our Assoiciation, "and hold a valid and subsiting Alberta license" ...that means that shetrapper was licenced under ASRD and should have been able to vote, thus making the vote in GP not legal under ATA bylaws. I agree that a new vote should be held by presence and proxy at this years AGM and whatever the outcome it is DEFINATELY the members wishes and certainly I would support the TRUE majority vote in our membership.
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Old 03-30-2009, 05:21 AM
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Default Frequently Asked Questions DAO

http://www.albertatrappers.com/aboutUs/dao/daoFAQs.pdf
1. Does a need really exist
for a DAO?
Absolutely.
The dramatic increase in development
and exploration for
energy resources will continue.
New technology and the price
of fuel have made any deposit
of gas or oil a profitable venture.
The intensity of development
will increase probably for
another fifty years. I was told
“You ain’t seen nothing yet”.
Believe it.
If trappers cannot unite and
support a common set of standards
and goals now, the future
for trapping, in the face of all
this activity, will be bleak. It
has been suggested that trapping
should go to a non – tenured
system (no registered trap
lines) in the heavy oil and gas
areas of the Province (east half
, central and foothills).

2. What will happen the
Cabin Policy?
Currently a policy exists that
defines how big and how many
cabins a trapper may have.
Some choose to ignore the
policy and build outside the
standard. Trapper cabins are
for the business of trapping not
recreating. There has been little
or no enforcement/education of
this policy is. A recent review
of the policy suggested minor
changes but the size of the
main cabin remains 24’ X 24’.
Line cabins and sheds are still
allowed but at spacing that supports
trapping activity not recreation.
Trappers that chose to
ignore the policy make it difficult
for all trappers. Cabins will
be brought into compliance (at
the RFMA holders cost) upon
transferral. New cabins must
follow the policy. The crown
has the right to deal with violations
and they will.

3. How does a DAO affect
Compensation?
A sore point for trappers and
industry, compensation under
the DAO will be reformed and
standardized. Firstly, a trapper
must be active to be considered
for compensation. To be
considered an active trapper,
a management plan must be
completed and submitted annually
to the DAO. The DAO
will review the plan and enter
the information into the trapper
database. This plan will
include fur harvest records and
receipts, biological information,
a detailed map indicating
trails, bait sites, cabins, mineral
licks, and historical sites (if
any). This plan is your bargaining
position with industry.
Assets of traplines will be given
a set value i.e. so much for bait
sites, trails, etc. These values
will be developed by trappers
and industry. A standardized
list of asset values will allow
industry to know what their
costs will be as well as the active
trapper will know what to
claim.
By streamlining the compensation
process it will be expedient,
equitable and transparent
for both trappers and industry.
It is a challenging time to be
in the trapping industry. All
trappers need to know what
resources may be on their line.
Speak with the forestry and energy
folks and ask what their
plans are. For trappers to exist
in 21st century Alberta we have
to get along with all the people
on the land.
Mark Spafford
Zone 4 director
DAO Steering committee
The Delegated
Authority Order
(DAO)
Frequently Asked Questions
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Old 03-30-2009, 05:22 AM
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Default Information from web site

http://www.albertatrappers.com/aboutUs/aboutUsDAO.html
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Old 03-30-2009, 06:28 AM
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Sorry, but I know this has been up for some time but it's pretty vague, membership need more information...If the author of this is leading the charge for the MOU/DAO perhaps we can get a detailed plan, timeline and business plan via him on this forum.
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gibb View Post
http://www.albertatrappers.com/aboutUs/dao/daoFAQs.pdf
1. Does a need really exist
for a DAO?
Absolutely.
The dramatic increase in development
and exploration for
energy resources will continue.
New technology and the price
of fuel have made any deposit
of gas or oil a profitable venture.
The intensity of development
will increase probably for
another fifty years. I was told
“You ain’t seen nothing yet”.
Believe it.
If trappers cannot unite and
support a common set of standards
and goals now, the future
for trapping, in the face of all
this activity, will be bleak. It
has been suggested that trapping
should go to a non – tenured
system (no registered trap
lines) in the heavy oil and gas
areas of the Province (east half
, central and foothills).

2. What will happen the
Cabin Policy?
Currently a policy exists that
defines how big and how many
cabins a trapper may have.
Some choose to ignore the
policy and build outside the
standard. Trapper cabins are
for the business of trapping not
recreating. There has been little
or no enforcement/education of
this policy is. A recent review
of the policy suggested minor
changes but the size of the
main cabin remains 24’ X 24’.
Line cabins and sheds are still
allowed but at spacing that supports
trapping activity not recreation.
Trappers that chose to
ignore the policy make it difficult
for all trappers. Cabins will
be brought into compliance (at
the RFMA holders cost) upon
transferral. New cabins must
follow the policy. The crown
has the right to deal with violations
and they will.

3. How does a DAO affect
Compensation?
A sore point for trappers and
industry, compensation under
the DAO will be reformed and
standardized. Firstly, a trapper
must be active to be considered
for compensation. To be
considered an active trapper,
a management plan must be
completed and submitted annually
to the DAO. The DAO
will review the plan and enter
the information into the trapper
database. This plan will
include fur harvest records and
receipts, biological information,
a detailed map indicating
trails, bait sites, cabins, mineral
licks, and historical sites (if
any). This plan is your bargaining
position with industry.
Assets of traplines will be given
a set value i.e. so much for bait
sites, trails, etc. These values
will be developed by trappers
and industry. A standardized
list of asset values will allow
industry to know what their
costs will be as well as the active
trapper will know what to
claim.
By streamlining the compensation
process it will be expedient,
equitable and transparent
for both trappers and industry.
It is a challenging time to be
in the trapping industry. All
trappers need to know what
resources may be on their line.
Speak with the forestry and energy
folks and ask what their
plans are. For trappers to exist
in 21st century Alberta we have
to get along with all the people
on the land.
Mark Spafford
Zone 4 director
DAO Steering committee
The Delegated
Authority Order
(DAO)
Frequently Asked Questions
Gibb,

Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

Quick comment to everyone regarding Trapper Compensation. The way of life for a trapper is not addressed. This is extremely important to me. What is the value when a resource exploiter comes in and disrupts our way of life. I think everyone realizes that the trapper is not out on the land for the money in these times but there is an adverse impact on way of life.

Thanks,
Rafter
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:06 AM
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Bullgetter,

Could you please direct some of us who are having trouble finding the info.

I looked on the ATA website but couldn't find it there. As I am not good with researching info over the net any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Glad to see that you arein favor of a proxy vote.

Thanks,
Rafter
Heres the direct link:
http://www.albertatrappers.com/aboutUs/aboutUsDAO.html
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:51 AM
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Thanks very much for clarifying this. To quote the bylaw of our Assoiciation, "and hold a valid and subsiting Alberta license" ...that means that shetrapper was licenced under ASRD and should have been able to vote, thus making the vote in GP not legal under ATA bylaws. I agree that a new vote should be held by presence and proxy at this years AGM and whatever the outcome it is DEFINATELY the members wishes and certainly I would support the TRUE majority vote in our membership.



redgreen
Quote from ASRD

The spouse or a child (under 18 years of age) of the holder of any Registered Fur Management Area licence may hunt and trap fur-bearing animals within the fur management area without a Registered Fur Management Licence. Harvests by these persons must also be included in the annual report completed by the appropriate licence holder.


How can shetrapper be a LICENCE TRAPPER? She can hunt or trap on the spouse's RFMA but she don't hold a valid licence. In the ATA Policy it states you must hold a valid licence.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:23 AM
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Thanks Bullgetter, Rafter
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Old 03-30-2009, 12:21 PM
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....and the lawyers get richer ...and the trappers get poorer...
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:53 PM
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President & Exec meeting on April 18th. in Westlock. Make sure you forward any questions to your own executive for the meeting. Our Grande Prairie is having a meeting on the 15th. I'm hoping that if you care enough about the issues you'll care enough to ask the folks at the top.
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:06 AM
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President & Exec meeting on April 18th. in Westlock. Make sure you forward any questions to your own executive for the meeting. Our Grande Prairie is having a meeting on the 15th. I'm hoping that if you care enough about the issues you'll care enough to ask the folks at the top.
Brian is right here, we need a good turnout and a prepared list of pertinent questions so hopefully some facts will emerge. I believe there are two people per local allowed to be in attendance to allow a good flow of info. Hopefully we will get an agenda soon. In my opinion it would be a good idea if locals close to each other exchange their ideas and points prior to the Presidents meeting to assist in using the time period for the meeting effectively.
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:52 PM
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I believe the vote in GP was fair and have no issues with the outcome.

I don't see how you could possibly think that vote was fair...I certainly don't. There was only a smattering of trappers there compared to the amount of trappers in Alberta. And alot of members weren't allowed to vote....

At this point in time I'm thinking a proxy vote should be done. This way when the proxy vote goes in favor of the DAO no one has the right to bitch.
The ATA does not have the information about DAO's locked in a vault somewhere. The info is out there if you take the time to find and read it.
Remember the vote was to persue developing a DAO proposal not for mass implementation of a plan that has not even been drafted yet.
if the vote was to persue a DAO proposal, why has the plan not been drafted yet?
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:03 PM
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You all seem to have a lot of time on your hands. When do you trap? With this much spare time please come to the meeting on April 18 in Westlock. It is open to everyone I believe. I will be there as trapping is very important to me. I make a large part of my yearly income trapping.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:31 PM
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You all seem to have a lot of time on your hands. When do you trap? With this much spare time please come to the meeting on April 18 in Westlock. It is open to everyone I believe. I will be there as trapping is very important to me. I make a large part of my yearly income trapping.
2 people per local allowed to attend
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Old 04-16-2009, 03:53 PM
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FastElk I'm sure you're welcome at the meeting, call Westlock to confirm, but my understanding is that there is an open door policy to all ATA members. You can ask your draft question there, or if you can't make it refer your question to the executive of your own local who should be in attendence.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:45 AM
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FastElk I'm sure you're welcome at the meeting, call Westlock to confirm, but my understanding is that there is an open door policy to all ATA members. You can ask your draft question there, or if you can't make it refer your question to the executive of your own local who should be in attendence.
I doubt they would turn anyone away, but the letter our local received very clearly stated, 2 representitives per local
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:41 PM
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FastElk I think the concern is more that there is a minimum of 2 members at least, not a maximum. I've checked and you and any ATA member is welcome.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:50 PM
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FastElk I think the concern is more that there is a minimum of 2 members at least, not a maximum. I've checked and you and any ATA member is welcome.
That's good Brian, but alot of Locals were confused. I think we would have had an even larger turnout with your scenario.

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Old 05-01-2009, 04:11 PM
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Okay, now I'm compelled to add to this thread. As a registered trapper, I don't see any benefit to paying $500 (or more) per year to renew my right to trap. Especially since no one can explain the benefits of a DAO to me in simple, layman's terms. Enough of the politician double talk. The pro DAO people can now get off the fence and lay it out. Is this new DAO thing a scheme for those who want to do trapline excursions in addition to trapping? What is the REAL agenda? This is one trapper who is opposed to the DAO, because quite frankly, I don't know what it entails other than costing me a lot of money. My favorite motto is;
"when in doubt, throw it out"
Funny....there has been no response to this letter
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