Safety and security and our freedoms

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by pittman

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Will we have to call each other 'comrade'? Because I don't think I can do that for the greater good.

[grouse_hunter]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Will we have to call each other 'comrade'? Because I don't think I can do that for the greater good.

Swallow your Scotch and brace yourself for the new Canada... Socialism and its' current interpretation are the future of this pusillanimous periphery! The Canada of yesteryear is gone as are its' values. I hope that you've read Aynd Rands' Atlas Shrugged.

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by caged

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.

Yes, there will be a normal but in a different way, just like after 9/11.

[grouse_hunter]

BTW TC, in order to appease your masters: Kavelan Solist Olerosso Cask, 15 Year old Talisker and 1997 Jura boutique bottling ...

[grouse_hunter]

Originally Posted by grouse_hunter

BTW TC, in order to appease your masters: Kavelan Solist Olerosso Cask, 15 Year old Talisker and 1997 Jura boutique bottling ...

Come on you wankers, Bruichladdy has given me fights moos. Any pictures of your daughters?

Full on nine inches of love. More if you're from EPS...

[pittman]

No, I don't think the East is better than the West, or West better than the East. Somehow many of those in the East are able to look beyond themselves and understand that at times small self-sacrifice may benefit the greater good.

What's discouraging is when a number of people who currently live in a country with legitimate freedom sit back and complain when the government takes action on behalf of the greater good. This certainly is a situation that the world has not seen in many many years.

So instead of claiming that your government is taking this as an opportunity to erode your civil liberties, remind yourself that they're taking measures that you wouldn't have otherwise to protect a vulnerable part of the population. Buck up.

[Mulehahn]

Originally Posted by pittman

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Goes both ways. If the group as a whole is paramount then why don't the vast majority just carry on with their lives. After all, the death rate is around 1%, of that it is mostle seniors. They should all just take one for the greater good, right? How selfish of them. Why shut down the economy, put people out of work, bankrupt businesses to save 1% when surely the other 99% as a group is more important!

I am in my late 30s, fairly fit. Never smoked. Most likely if I get it I will have a crappy 2 weeks. But I am isolating, keeping distance, never really ate out so that wasn't a big sacrifice but I haven't since this broke. So is everyone I know. Why? Because it is what is best for society.

[mrcrossbow]

I think there will be changes at the end of this, some for the better ( personal space for one and ppl being more health conscious) and some bad. Government as a general rule hates to give up power and they have alot of power right now, sort of like after 9/11 alot of emergency powers just stayed as permanent, its not me and my rights I fear for so much as my children's rights and how this will affect them later on and how they won't experience the freedoms I had, sad thought really

[A S D]

Originally Posted by pittman

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.













Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.

tinfoil hat or you just unwilling to face reality

[A S D]

Originally Posted by pittman

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.













Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.

really?

[A S D]

[QUOTE=pittman;4140270]You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.

[pikergolf]

Lord the stress is getting to some.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by pittman

No, I don't think the East is better than the West, or West better than the East. Somehow many of those in the East are able to look beyond themselves and understand that at times small self-sacrifice may benefit the greater good.

What's discouraging is when a number of people who currently live in a country with legitimate freedom sit back and complain when the government takes action on behalf of the greater good. This certainly is a situation that the world has not seen in many many years.

So instead of claiming that your government is taking this as an opportunity to erode your civil liberties, remind yourself that they're taking measures that you wouldn't have otherwise to protect a vulnerable part of the population. Buck up.

Yeah guys we need to be more like Quebec and look beyond ourselves

[bessiedog]

ASD.... or is it LSD...?

So

National emergency.... and your all Nash Nash fret fret.....

Bulgaria had NO checks and balances in place.... your quite ridiculous in your search for some sinister force here.

Yea.... Justinian tried a sly move.... guess what...? It got shot down


Go hide u der your bed with yer guns till this is all over...

[A S D]

[QUOTE=bessiedog;4140631]ASD.... or is it LSD...?

So

National emergency.... and your all Nash Nash fret fret.....

Bulgaria had NO checks and balances in place.... your quite ridiculous in your search for some sinister force here.

Yea.... Justinian tried a sly move.... guess what...? It got shot down


Go hide u der your bed with yer guns till this is all over...[/QUOTE.
Are you working on demonstrating how to be a *****

[Jims83cj5]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Lord the stress is getting to some.

Lol, I was just scrolling through this thinking” wow so this is cabin fever” then I read your post and actually laughed out loud as we thought the same thing, now my wife is sitting on the couch looking at me like I’m loonie toons

[RandyBoBandy]

I swear to gawd, there are new(returning banned camp) and mothballed "members" posting these days

[Sneeze]

My suggestion is to call your mla.

Tell them “I am not willing to sacrifice my children’s future for the health of my parents. My parents aren’t willing to either”

We need to go back to work.

[Jims83cj5]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

I swear to gawd, there are new(returning banned camp) and mothballed "members" posting these days

How does anyone join with out this happening? A guy can join but not post? At some point an apology should be in order or the person accusing be banned, I certainly was here before, in 2002ish under the exact same name. I am sure the Mods will be searching for proof of this now and if they find nothing I hope they speak with you, I’m retired now and have the time to do this stuff. But have a great night and I’m sorry my 2 posts offended you even though I was sure they were both respectful and friendly,, edit,,,, I think from reading your post and a few of the others this is most likely not the place for me anyway, it certainly was different 20 years ago, good night and be well.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Jims83cj5

How does anyone join with out this happening? A guy can join but not post? At some point an apology should be in order or the person accusing be banned, I certainly was here before, in 2002ish under the exact same name. I am sure the Mods will be searching for proof of this now and if they find nothing I hope they speak with you, I’m retired now and have the time to do this stuff. But have a great night and I’m sorry my 2 posts offended you even though I was sure they were both respectful and friendly

I wasn't talking about you...just go to the Covd-19 thread and this one...more resurrections than on Easter Day

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by A S D

Are you working on demonstrating how to be a *****

No LSD.... I sincerely think you have a severely warped view of reality.

And you scare real easy.

Real easy.

[Lamburt]

Originally Posted by pittman

Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.

Do you realize that our world is in a constant state of flux? Nothing lasts forever. Look at history: civilizations rise and fall, societies constantly change in terms of freedoms and rules, demographics constantly change as well as certain groups take over while others die out. For me and others to discuss what we think might be coming in the future is not a conspiracy theory. It's an interesting discussion where we use our knowledge of history and the present to try to predict what we think will happen. Maybe my predictions will be wrong, maybe they will be right. Time will tell. If you think nothing will change then you are certainly wrong.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by grouse_hunter

Swallow your Scotch and brace yourself for the new Canada... Socialism and its' current interpretation are the future of this pusillanimous periphery! The Canada of yesteryear is gone as are its' values. I hope that you've read Aynd Rands' Atlas Shrugged.

Scotch must be nosed, sipped, swished, and then trickle down to warm the belly....mmmmm....to do it properly.

And yes, Atlas Shrugged is a great read. Who is John Galt?

We live in interesting times.

[Roughneck12]

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Roughneck12

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

???

I know the military is calling up reservists to aid in communities that might need assistance.

But this could be anything from helping set up field response hospitals, to traffic control and to policing essential traffic orders for stay at home mandates, to helping the supply chain out, to helping police communities while police and first responders get far busier.

I think that's exactly what I'd want my military to be doing right now, wouldn't you?

I really don't see this as a "gateway to a government repressive state" - I see it as "common sense".

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Roughneck12

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

I find it interesting as well, since the War Measures Act was repealed in 1988.

[pittman]

Nothing fosters paranoia like paranoia.

The funny thing is, you guys will gripe that the borders weren't closed fast enough or travel wasn't restricted soon enough as soon as someone you know succumbs to this.

Then maybe you'll see the bigger picture. Realize that the country put aside the pursuit of money to prevent a few deaths.

You don't think the government would rather have you back at work? Making money, paying taxes? Or is this REALLY just a big conspiracy aimed at taking away your freedom...

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by pittman

Then maybe you'll see the bigger picture. Realize that the country put aside the pursuit of money to prevent a few deaths.

Oh, I see the big picture, and it's the government would never know, or blink, if my entire family was wiped out. Due to the Liberals actions over the last five years, I've come to the conclusion the government cares very little about the Nation. This is about optics with the end goal of getting re-elected. Have you noticed how our PM doesn't do anything until a few days after Trump, how it's the provinces closing schools and limiting gathering sizes, has the federal government done anything other than try to grab power and put together an aid package?

[bessiedog]

I’m not sure.

But the Liberals performance on this is terrible.

I’m not a fan of Kenny or Ford, but in this crisis.... they are doing far better than our Federal government.

We have no leadership in our actual leader.

There’s no way he could concoct a power grab.....and effectively execute it.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Oh, I see the big picture, and it's the government would never know, or blink, if my entire family was wiped out. Due to the Liberals actions over the last five years, I've come to the conclusion the government cares very little about the Nation. This is about optics with the end goal of getting re-elected. Have you noticed how our PM doesn't do anything until a few days after Trump, how it's the provinces closing schools and limiting gathering sizes, has the federal government done anything other than try to grab power and put together an aid package?

I feel sorry for people that are this Jaded,horrible way to go through life.