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Keep dreaming about separation guys. I'm with you and most of you know that, but if you polled Albertans most would say no way. Sadly Alberta has become more liberal than alot want to believe. This is a socialist country. Has been for a long time and will be for a long time. We are the minority.
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Sadly I agree. And the more people move to Alberta and the bigger the cities get, the more socialist we become. 
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Sadly I agree. And the more people move to Alberta and the bigger the cities get, the more socialist we become. |
Immigration policy has been a huge problem in Alberta and the country. Multicultural pride and political correctness are the engines that drive socialism. And now becoming a serious threat to whatever cultural identity we valued.
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Correct.
A close look at most Albertans would find most came from Eastern Canada or their ancestors did.
My Dad came from Nova Scotia, and one of his relatives is recorded as one of the fathers of confederation. But I guess the Western attitude isn't really western. Dad hated Sir Charles long before he (dad) came west.
I agree with avb3, my first choice would be a united Canada. But I really haven't felt like Canada wanted westerners as part of the country since the senior Trudog took office.
Still, Beeguy has a point. Without oil, Alberta wouldn't be in such great shape.
Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here.
We don't have much in the way of minerals, our forests aren't high value timber, and we are far from the big markets to the east and the south of us.
About all we have besides oil is farming and that's not going to pay the bills when the oil runs out.
We need Canada as much as Canada needs us. The only difference is, we know it and they don't.
It's sad but true, the USA appreciates us a whole lot more then Canada does.
Central Canada may think they can push us around, and we are a tolerant bunch, but we do have limits and we do have friends.
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Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
As to JT, his arrogance wrt Alberta knows no bounds. His centralist attitude that Quebec knows best would set the country back by 40 years. Might even destroy it if enough hot heads like some of youse guys had your way. ;-)
I wish the media stopped attending JT's campaign events and just let his campaign shrivel up in a dark corner. This man is not a nation builder, he is a home-wrecker.
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[QUOTE=twofifty;1716779]Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
Show us the numbers.
How much did we get.
How much did we pay out.
Very simple.
Keg River , I find it insulting that my family is accursed of "sucking on the teat of Ottawa".
I find this this to be an attack against me.
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..... Most voters simply have no clue how an economy actually works... for which the NDP is eternally thankful.
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It's kind of like...once upon a time you gave me ten bucks to help me get to my next payday, now you've been taking 100 bucks a day from me for five years and when I mention it you scream...'Don't you remember when I gave you that ten bucks you bloody ingrate?!!' 
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Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
Show us the numbers.
How much did we get.
How much did we pay out.
Very simple.
Keg River , I find it insulting that my family is accursed of "sucking on the teat of Ottawa".
I find this this to be an attack against me.
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KegRiver did not say "sucking on the teat of Ottawa", I did.
The last time we went through this I called an Alberta (Calgary) political think tank and asked for some data.
They took my question down, and the fact that I needed data to back up an assertion I'd made on an Alberta public affairs forum-which is what the General Disc. forum often is- but they never got back to me.
So we'll just have to disagree.
edit: but Ottawa being what Ottawa is, I've no doubt Alberta's dust bowl politicians were made to crawl up Parliament Hill's steps on the knees of their overalls.
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Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
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Seeing equaliztion as we know didn't start until the mid-1950's, please tell us exactly how Alberta was sucking off the teat of the rest of Canada in the 1930's?
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Seeing equaliztion as we know didn't start until the mid-1950's, please tell us exactly how Alberta was sucking off the teat of the rest of Canada in the 1930's?
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Britis...rica_Act,_1907
Thats all I could find.
Also note the neat little trick the federal gov't pulled on the prairie provinces during this time....
Under the CONSTITUTION ACT, 1867, the original provinces of Confederation retained ownership of crown lands and resources within their boundaries. When BC and PEI joined Confederation in 1871 and 1873, they too retained ownership of natural resources. But when the Prairie provinces were created (Manitoba in 1870, Alberta and Saskatchewan in 1905) a new and controversial policy emerged. In these provinces, ownership of natural resources was retained by the federal government to provide funds for colonization and railway building. Not until 1930, after a sometimes bitter political struggle, were natural-resource rights transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces.
Teat suckers indeed. 
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Amazing how some people seem to rewrite history if it serves their eastern (central) masters.
But I can't say anymore, as my opinions seem to be a bit to "personal" and I will get my fingers slapped and my post removed again.
So much for free speech...LOL
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Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
As to JT, his arrogance wrt Alberta knows no bounds. His centralist attitude that Quebec knows best would set the country back by 40 years. Might even destroy it if enough hot heads like some of youse guys had your way. ;-)
I wish the media stopped attending JT's campaign events and just let his campaign shrivel up in a dark corner. This man is not a nation builder, he is a home-wrecker.
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Originally Posted by twofifty
Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does nowadays.
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Show us the numbers.
How much did we get.
How much did we pay out.
Very simple.
Keg River , I find it insulting that my family is accursed of "sucking on the teat of Ottawa".
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it's not a personal attack,
it's just criticism of your mis-beliefs
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Britis...rica_Act,_1907
Thats all I could find.
Also note the neat little trick the federal gov't pulled on the prairie provinces during this time....
Under the CONSTITUTION ACT, 1867, the original provinces of Confederation retained ownership of crown lands and resources within their boundaries. When BC and PEI joined Confederation in 1871 and 1873, they too retained ownership of natural resources. But when the Prairie provinces were created (Manitoba in 1870, Alberta and Saskatchewan in 1905) a new and controversial policy emerged. In these provinces, ownership of natural resources was retained by the federal government to provide funds for colonization and railway building. Not until 1930, after a sometimes bitter political struggle, were natural-resource rights transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces.
Teat suckers indeed.
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Just to be clear,
what you are showing is that all of Alberta's mineral wealth was a gift from WLM King?
Which federal party did he represent? What colour identifies the party?
Oh boy...
The gift that keeps on giving.
Seems to me this province will be indebted to that party until the end times.
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Just to be clear,
what you are showing is that all of Alberta's mineral wealth was a gift from WLM King?
Which federal party did he represent? What colour identifies the party?
Oh boy...
The gift that keeps on giving.
Seems to me this province will be indebted to that party until the end times.
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Do you have anything good to say about Alberta, "then" or now?
Why do you live in this province??
Nice sig. line, your a master at trolling under the radar. congrats.
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if this isn't trolling I don't know what is
Thanks BeeGuy.
Am at my wireless station right now transmitting to Ottawa Liberal Headquarters an encoded report that this bunch of western separatist yahoos need edumacation on the great gifts that Ottawa laid on their doorsteps in 1930.
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Keep dreaming about separation guys. I'm with you and most of you know that, but if you polled Albertans most would say no way. Sadly Alberta has become more liberal than alot want to believe.
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I have always understood that it will take pain to convince more Albertans that the price of being able to waive a plant emblem on a pole is far too high. If Prince Trudeau wins the next election, we will have it.
Frankly, we are better people than the rest of the country. SK and the B.C. Interior are a close second, though. 
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that there is funny.
I can only imagine how much it must be burning some folk to hear that the source of 100% of their economic success, was a gift from the liberals.
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Britis...rica_Act,_1907
Thats all I could find.
Also note the neat little trick the federal gov't pulled on the prairie provinces during this time....
Under the CONSTITUTION ACT, 1867, the original provinces of Confederation retained ownership of crown lands and resources within their boundaries. When BC and PEI joined Confederation in 1871 and 1873, they too retained ownership of natural resources. But when the Prairie provinces were created (Manitoba in 1870, Alberta and Saskatchewan in 1905) a new and controversial policy emerged. In these provinces, ownership of natural resources was retained by the federal government to provide funds for colonization and railway building. Not until 1930, after a sometimes bitter political struggle, were natural-resource rights transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces.
Teat suckers indeed.
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I assume one needs some special glasses to read that into it?
I recommend a book called "Oil, the State and Federalism" by Fossum. He toned down a some of it, especially the section on the NEP, at the urging of the editors. Still, it's a good starting place.
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To be fair though, Alberta's first premier was also of the red persuasion.
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that there is funny.
I can only imagine how much it must be burning some folk to hear that the source of 100% of their economic success, was a gift from the liberals.
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Read it and weap, more and more folks like this guy are moving into this province.
EVERYTHING will be under a Liberal thumb in no time, even more-so then now.
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Like I said before, another NEP will clean house in Alberta.
Just like the last one did.
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To be fair though, Alberta's first premier was also of the red persuasion.
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Yeah, it didn't take us long, even back then, to correct THAT mistake.
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And then there's this quote put forward by PET lite just days before we found out how he really felt.
"My entire campaign has been about bringing people together, about not pitting region against region and about being a strong representative and a voice that says the same thing in Chicoutimi as we say in downtown Calgary as I'll say in Toronto as I'll say in B.C.," Trudeau said.
Gotta hand it to him. He's got the two faced liberal/Liberal thing down pat. Something charming about a guy that can smile at you while he's shoving a knife in your back I guess for some people.
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can't we all just get along.
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Re: "Many of you might not remember it, but Alberta was one of the poorer provinces before oil was discovered here."
KegRiver and Beeguy make the very same point I made a couple years ago -that Alberta survived the first 30 years of the 20th Century on federal handouts-and was shouted down. Of course, this is not what today's proud Albertans want to hear: that their granpappy suckled on Ottawa's teat just like Quebec does .
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Do you just make this up out of your imagination.
Here is some reading for you ....and a chart! http://www.freealberta.com/transfer_payments.html
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Gotta hand it to him. He's got the two faced liberal/Liberal thing down pat. Something charming about a guy that can smile at you while he's shoving a knife in your back I guess for some people.
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Couldn't watch the whole thing...the guy is almost as sickening to listen to as Anne McLelland. So he thinks it's the end of the world when conservatives take Canada in a direction HE doesn't agree with, but when he and his ilk take Canada into the depths of depravity and socialism, everyone is supposed to shut up and go along with that.
Typical liberal elitist mentality. You vill do as ve say, and you vill like it.
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Couldn't watch the whole thing...the guy is almost as sickening to listen to as Anne McLelland. So he thinks it's the end of the world when conservatives take Canada in a direction HE doesn't agree with, but when he and his ilk take Canada into the depths of depravity and socialism, everyone is supposed to shut up and go along with that.
Typical liberal elitist mentality. You vill do as ve say, and you vill like it.
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It is not that we are supposed to shut up, it is that we do. Canadians are mostly sheep who have bought into that mentality mainly due to I believe, an all out attempt to be different than the U.S.. We have embraced multiculturalism and political correctness, two important ideologies that are socialist. We take great pride in it and like it. Canadians will flock to this guy sadly.
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that there is funny.
I can only imagine how much it must be burning some folk to hear that the source of 100% of their economic success, was a gift from the liberals.
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Considering other provinces got it from the start. It should have been ours from the start as well not 25 years later.
So the east were sc__n the west from 1905.
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He was lucky to get his mother's hair, too bad her brains were part of the deal!
Junior is an intellectual light weight in the extreme. His old man was an arrogant POS, but he had intellect.
The LPC is all but dead.
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