Covid 19: Medical / Technical Thread

[reddeerguy2015]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

China (as seen in a bbc article) is now saying the virus spreads during the up to 14 day incubation period when symptoms are not showing. Not good. With all of the flights to now cat is out of the bag. Pray this is mild in strength.

Can someone please explain why (how) this would happen ??

Unless you're making out with your neighbors, wouldn't chance of transmission be extremely low if you're not showing symptoms ??

There would be no sneezing. No runny nose. No coughing.

Seems to me, germ and virus transmission would be extremely low at the stage (unless as stated, your kissing the neighbors wife) ??

Pretty sure basic sanitation practices come into play here.

- wash your hands regularly... With SOAP PEOPLE
- Don't pick your nose
- Don't touch your eye balls after shaking the neighbors hand
- Don't touch your face
- If you're sick (feeling symptoms)... STAY HOME (until you're on your deathbed).

Seems a little common sense might go along way here.... 🤷🤦

[Lefty-Canuck]

You see many Asians with face masks, that’s not because they are trying to avoid being sick. It’s because they are sick trying to avoid the spread... so avoid people wearing those masks.

LC

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

You see many Asians with face masks, that’s not because they are trying to avoid being sick. It’s because they are sick trying to avoid the spread... so avoid people wearing those masks.

LC

Man the last thing I would do is wear a mask voluntarily when I’m sick, I wear a respirator at work and if you get a cold you’re probably sick for at least twice as long. That being said I don’t go out in public if I have something more than a head cold

[Nova316]

Interesting read on this forum, seems like it's changing as well or however the Chinese government let's on. The mass hysteria for n95 mask is crazy with everything two months backordered.

But that being said if anyone has a lead on three of them please let me know I have some close friends backpacking through Thailand next week.

[glen moa]

Ok so far all I’ve got is wash yourself and don’t kiss the neighbor and pray.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Nova316

Interesting read on this forum, seems like it's changing as well or however the Chinese government let's on. The mass hysteria for n95 mask is crazy with everything two months backordered.

But that being said if anyone has a lead on three of them please let me know I have some close friends backpacking through Thailand next week.

N95 masks need to be fit tested. Hopefully people bought the right size

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Windsweptcoast

With many hospitals in Canada already essentially running at capacity, how are they going to deal with potentially thousands of people infected with this thing, if it gets as bad as it looks like it can?

That is a big question. They are already talks involving cancelations of all non emergency OR's.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by raab

N95 masks need to be fit tested. Hopefully people bought the right size

Stop spreading hysteria. Masks do not need to be fit tested. Respirators do.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by reddeerguy2015

Can someone please explain why (how) this would happen ??

Unless you're making out with your neighbors, wouldn't chance of transmission be extremely low if you're not showing symptoms ??

There would be no sneezing. No runny nose. No coughing.

Seems to me, germ and virus transmission would be extremely low at the stage (unless as stated, your kissing the neighbors wife) ??

Pretty sure basic sanitation practices come into play here.

- wash your hands regularly... With SOAP PEOPLE
- Don't pick your nose
- Don't touch your eye balls after shaking the neighbors hand
- Don't touch your face
- If you're sick (feeling symptoms)... STAY HOME (until you're on your deathbed).

Seems a little common sense might go along way here.... 🤷🤦

People don't feel sick are least likely to be careful. How many times have you had someone call in sick from work with a cold/flu and say "he was here yesterday and looked fine?". Two days later half of the work place is sick. All you need to do is rub your eyes or your nose after opening a door handle and you just inoculated yourself.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by reddeerguy2015

Can someone please explain why (how) this would happen ??

Unless you're making out with your neighbors, wouldn't chance of transmission be extremely low if you're not showing symptoms ??

There would be no sneezing. No runny nose. No coughing.

Seems to me, germ and virus transmission would be extremely low at the stage (unless as stated, your kissing the neighbors wife) ??

Pretty sure basic sanitation practices come into play here.

- wash your hands regularly... With SOAP PEOPLE
- Don't pick your nose
- Don't touch your eye balls after shaking the neighbors hand
- Don't touch your face
- If you're sick (feeling symptoms)... STAY HOME (until you're on your deathbed).

Seems a little common sense might go along way here.... 🤷🤦

If someone infected exhales and you inhale you can contract it.

also-

Coronaviruses "primarily spread through close contact with another individual, in particular through coughing and sneezing on somebody else who is within a range of about 3 to 6 feet from that person," said Dr. Kathy Lofy, a state health officer for Washington, where the patient with confirmed coronavirus has been ...

Coronaviruses in general are thought to be transmitted through respiratory droplets, contact with infected secretions, and fecal-oral transmission – you don't necessarily have to eat an infected animal, and the infected animal can be asymptomatic.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Stop spreading hysteria. Masks do not need to be fit tested. Respirators do.

100% wrong. I have been fit tested more times than I could ever count. Anyone that deals with airborne pathogens (TB, SARS, etc) has.

[Zip]

Originally Posted by Scott h

That is a big question. They are already talks involving cancelations of all non emergency OR's.

I would guess this is as close to a start of our problems a we will get.. stay safe everyone...as for me, I’ve got doctor appointments in Edmonton in a few days., plus back to U of A to see a specialists on what to do about my vocal chord reconstructing that’s needed to keep me alive.. I don’t much like the idea right now of hanging around hospitals waiting rooms.. but without something being done inside my throat there, I’m a goner anyway, mask won’t help what I got going on right now!
Kinda gotta go see this specialist as I’ve been waiting since last May when my vocal chords collapsed sending me in an ambulance as I was getting ready for rehearsal of the theatre play I was doing in Calgary.. scary stuff when you can’t breathe in or out.. turning blue didn’t take long my wife told me.. so either way I have to chance this as it’s going kill me sooner than later if I can’t get a fix done!
I have no choice but to go...or I would cancel!
Zip

[raab]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Stop spreading hysteria. Masks do not need to be fit tested. Respirators do.

N95 masks need to be fit tested to be effective against airborne transmission. People might get lucky and get the right size. Don’t believe me ask your health professional.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Scott h

100% wrong. I have been fit tested more times than I could ever count. Anyone that deals with airborne pathogens (TB, SARS, etc) has.

So have I. When were you fit tested for a paper mask? A full face mask or respirator are fit tested. N95 masks that are being sold out and hoarded are the paper mask style. No fit testing.

That being said the cartridges for respirators are disappearing too.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by glen moa

What should we do.
The problem with not feeling well and going to the hospital is now you are exposed to all the sick there.
What should we do right now.

Right NOW there is very little risk to Canada. There are confirmed cases out east yes, but some common sense mitigates the risk. It has been mentioned already, don't be licking shopping carts and doorknobs, if you are going to a hospital or clinic wear a mask, a pair of driving gloves is not a horrible idea.
We had to go to North Battleford hospital Friday, my Grandson had surgery and the MIL had an appointment. Everyone wore masks.

If you do have to go to the hospital, get a mask on before you go there. I am not saying you need a SCBA and paintsuit, but be smart.

6 miles from me, out in the country a friends parents are here visiting their new grandbaby. Guess where they are from. They are in no rush to go back obviously.

People do not understand how something like this can travel. They were on a huge plane with 300 or more people, the man and his wife go to church here, where nearly everyone does.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by raab

N95 masks need to be fit tested to be effective against airborne transmission. People might get lucky and get the right size. Don’t believe me ask your health professional.

Hahahahahaha Yes you need a certain size of aluminum band to pinch on certain sizes of noses I suppose.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Zip

I would guess this is as close to a start of our problems a we will get.. stay safe everyone...as for me, I’ve got doctor appointments in Edmonton in a few days., plus back to U of A to see a specialists on what to do about my vocal chord reconstructing that’s needed to keep me alive.. I don’t much like the idea right now of hanging around hospitals waiting rooms.. but without something being done inside my throat there, I’m a goner anyway, mask won’t help what I got going on right now!
Kinda gotta go see this specialist as I’ve been waiting since last May when my vocal chords collapsed sending me in an ambulance as I was getting ready for rehearsal of the theatre play I was doing in Calgary.. scary stuff when you can’t breathe in or out.. turning blue didn’t take long my wife told me.. so either way I have to chance this as it’s going kill me sooner than later if I can’t get a fix done!
I have no choice but to go...or I would cancel!
Zip

No by all means don't cancel your ENT appointment. What I meant was hospitals are talking canceling non emergent hospital admissions. They will let you know if you shouldn't show up.

[Zip]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

So have I. When were you fit tested for a paper mask? A full face mask or respirator are fit tested. N95 masks that are being sold out and hoarded are the paper mask style. No fit testing.

That being said the cartridges for respirators are disappearing too.

This is exactly right... I’ve been fit tested for the respirator cartridge style masks a bunch of times over 16 years in the oil patch.. but the paper ones, just make sure they are tight and positioned where they need to be.. simple procedure!
Zip

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Zip

I would guess this is as close to a start of our problems a we will get.. stay safe everyone...as for me, I’ve got doctor appointments in Edmonton in a few days., plus back to U of A to see a specialists on what to do about my vocal chord reconstructing that’s needed to keep me alive.. I don’t much like the idea right now of hanging around hospitals waiting rooms.. but without something being done inside my throat there, I’m a goner anyway, mask won’t help what I got going on right now!
Kinda gotta go see this specialist as I’ve been waiting since last May when my vocal chords collapsed sending me in an ambulance as I was getting ready for rehearsal of the theatre play I was doing in Calgary.. scary stuff when you can’t breathe in or out.. turning blue didn’t take long my wife told me.. so either way I have to chance this as it’s going kill me sooner than later if I can’t get a fix done!
I have no choice but to go...or I would cancel!
Zip

Jesus man, you need a break. Best of luck, all of us with be thinking of you. Heal fast pal.

[Zip]

Originally Posted by Scott h

No by all means don't cancel your ENT appointment. What I meant was hospitals are talking canceling non emergent hospital admissions. They will let you know if you shouldn't show up.

Thank you... if I don’t hear from them I’ll just keep my appointment as this one was a long time coming..seems like the ent specialists are pretty busy these days..
I appreciate your concern and will do as you have said!
Zip

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Hahahahahaha Yes you need a certain size of aluminum band to pinch on certain sizes of noses I suppose.

My sister is a charge nurse at the ER in a major city hospital. The other day we were talking about masks and she said they she is going to do a fit test as she hasn't done one recently.

I will let her know that she is mistaken and they no longer need to fit test n95 masks...

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

So have I. When were you fit tested for a paper mask? A full face mask or respirator are fit tested. N95 masks that are being sold out and hoarded are the paper mask style. No fit testing.

That being said the cartridges for respirators are disappearing too.

The last fit test I had for a paper N95 was 8 months ago (regular documentation required when intubating TB patients in a negative pressure isolation rooms ).

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by Scott h

The last fit test I had for a paper N95 was 8 months ago (regular documentation required when intubating TB patients in a negative pressure isolation rooms ).

Pffft....HyperMOA just holds his breath when he intubates Tb patients. You're just old school.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

pffft....hypermoa just holds his breath when he intubates tb patients. You're just old school.

lol !!!!

[bat119]

The coronavirus is spread from person to person, how long does the virus stay active on a hard surface?

Anybody know? I'm expecting a package from China should open it up with BBQ tongs and spray Lysol?

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by reddeerguy2015

Can someone please explain why (how) this would happen ??

Unless you're making out with your neighbors, wouldn't chance of transmission be extremely low if you're not showing symptoms ??

There would be no sneezing. No runny nose. No coughing.

Seems to me, germ and virus transmission would be extremely low at the stage (unless as stated, your kissing the neighbors wife) ??

Pretty sure basic sanitation practices come into play here.

- wash your hands regularly... With SOAP PEOPLE
- Don't pick your nose
- Don't touch your eye balls after shaking the neighbors hand
- Don't touch your face
- If you're sick (feeling symptoms)... STAY HOME (until you're on your deathbed).

Seems a little common sense might go along way here.... 🤷🤦

Pretty much the case. Unfortunately this common sense doesn't spill over to many in mainland China. The Hubei provincial area is about the same size as central Alberta between Edmonton and Calgary, but has a population of close to 60 million. So if you have many people picking their nose, doing a farmer blow, chewing with their mouths open, not covering their cough/sneeze, and the only hand washing going on is the overspray while urinating, it's pretty easy to see how a virus can spread. If you have up to 120 million unwashed hands touching handrails/counters/door handles/tables etc. it can be like living in a petri dish. Now take a large portion of that population that have plans to travel during Chinese new year, and things can get out of hand quickly.

These are the reasons that when I travel through Asia, I wash/sanitize my hands often, and try not to touch my face/nose etc. This go around, I will also be upping the ante and wearing a mask during the flight (especially when sleeping), and in any crowded areas of the airports.

[bdub]

Originally Posted by bat119

The coronavirus is spread from person to person, how long does the virus stay active on a hard surface?

Anybody know? I'm expecting a package from China should open it up with BBQ tongs and spray Lysol?

A quick google says the cold virus can survive 7 days on surfaces. Yikes.

[Mb-MBR]

My main concern is how reliable is the information that is being released by the Chinese government, they're about as transparent as Fort Knox...….

Was have lunch in Olive Garden on Friday and a nurse walks in with a face mask on to pick up an order...…….I just said "REALLY"

[bdub]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

My main concern is how reliable is the information that is being released by the Chinese government, they're about as transparent as Fort Knox...….

Was have lunch in Olive Garden on Friday and a nurse walks in with a face mask on to pick up an order...…….I just said "REALLY"

An article discussing that very thing. They are have a pretty good record of dishonesty in financial/economic data. The world shouldn’t think they will be any different regarding information about this outbreak.

https://www.moneyisfiction.com/blog/...tches-a-sneeze

[mked]

Hey guys, Ive also been following this closely since the beginning of january and its wild how this is unfolding.
So far they think its only spread through droplet/contact however as it continues to mutate it can become airborne. N95 masks come in 3-4 sizes and do need to be fit tested properly. Two nights ago on my night shift there was a steady stream of asians with masks coming into the ER getting their temperature checked. We just found out that transmission can occur before symptoms start to show. Estimates show 5 million people got out of Wuhan before the lock down. Current r0=4 so estimates that 1 person can spread it to 4. Not to fear monger but this is a real deal. Younger/elder and immunocompromised have the potential to get hit very hard with this. Our current hospitals and EMS systems already run over capacity. Uofa stollery last few weeks has always people waiting outside the doors in the hallways due to no seats available in the waiting areas. 5-10% increase in respiratory illnesses and not sure how Edmontons going to be able to handle that.

Lots of videos circulating online of medical staff in wuhan in full hazmat gear, dead people littering hospital hallways, medical staff running out of basic PPE and staff getting expired masks. Grocery stores completely cleaned out of food. Chinese communist party sent the military to run the hospitals. Province of 96 million people on complete lock down with road blockades.

I continue to go on with regular life for now but its creepy stuff for sure.