First run of 8000 Dodge Diesel 3.0L 1/2 ton pickups sell out in 3 days

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by benamen

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/16/news...les/index.html

That doesn't mention diesel v petrol sales. Just sales overall. Notice how some countries that aren't totally screwed like Spain is have gone up. Just Europe overall down because of poor countries like Spain.
I'm saying diesel sales have gained a bigger % every year.

[just_dave]

Let's remove the alcohol/ethanol from our gasoline. Watch our mileage go up 10% minimum. Not forgetting power also.

I wonder how adding a mileage lowering "blend" into diesel would go over? Not well I bet.

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by just_dave

Let's remove the alcohol/ethanol from our gasoline. Watch our mileage go up 10% minimum. Not forgetting power also.

I wonder how adding a mileage lowering "blend" into diesel would go over? Not well I bet.

And it would extend the life of the engines and free up fields to grow food so less would need to be imported.

But it's like gun control arguments. They don't make rational decisions based on facts. They are made based on fear and justifying someone's personal agenda.

[benamen]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

That doesn't mention diesel v petrol sales. Just sales overall. Notice how some countries that aren't totally screwed like Spain is have gone up. Just Europe overall down because of poor countries like Spain.
I'm saying diesel sales have gained a bigger % every year.

In Europe that may be the case. But why in a vastly more densely populated country like Japan, have diesel power vehicle sales gone down. Is it because diesel powered vehicles are that much better or are there other reasons.

- In conclusion, the EU Commission's thrust to boost diesel car technology with the aim of reducing overall CO2 emissions has failed by mismanagement.

Based on comparable data as shown in Figure 4, Ajanovic [14] argues that ‘the largest part of saving over time was brought about by overall efficiency improvements for both gasoline and diesel cars. Due to better efficiency of cars in general, between 1980 and 2007, about 9% of energy was saved of which about an eighth - 1% - was saved due to the switch to diesel. Given this very moderate result, we can conclude that the fuel tax incentives provided of about 10% to 50% lower taxes in different European countries for diesel than for gasoline were not at all justified’ [14].

Europe was confronted with shrinking fuel oil markets from 1970 onwards and more dramatically, after 1979, clearly reflected by oil company BP [88] sales data 1965 to 2011 which specifies the quantities of the crude oil distillation products, light distillates (gasoline, petrol), middle distillates (diesel) and fuel oil (which can be converted to diesel) sold for Europe. The reasons for the lack of demand for middle distillates were at the least twofold. First, natural gas had increasingly pushed out fuel oil as a heating fuel at the continental European market since the mid 1960s [89]. In Germany, 18.6 million (48%) households were connected to natural gas networks by 2009 (http://www.statistica.com webcite, 2012). Then, in the 1960s in France, General de Gaulle's thrust to make nuclear the key to energy independence meant closing old power plants fuelled with middle distillates [90]. Some experts believe that just the need of the European oil refinery industry to place the excess fuel oil on domestic markets made the powertrain paradigm shift to diesel cars happen (for Germany [91]; for France J. Lemaire, 2012, personal communication). Deputy mayor of Paris Denis Baupin argues [92] that Peugeot was encouraged to massively produce diesel cars in order to get rid of diesel oil overproduction.

Full read
http://www.enveurope.com/content/25/1/15

[1899b]

Originally Posted by creeky

my trusty 5.9 cummins starts on time, every time-35 unblockheatered- tho sure is noisy

x2 except for the noise part. Love the 5.9 and it's reliability.

[ali#1]

With diesel at 20 cents more per litre il pass on the diesel unless I have to tow a lot.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Bound2Fish

So what are these new Ecodiesels worth?

Talked to a buddy that enquired...$32,000 base,but logically dressed up $42,0000 so he says

[coolpete1]

its about a 4000 dollar option , i drove one in a jeep and its pretty gutsy , not much lag like the old sprinter crap engine. i hope its easier to work on.

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by coolpete1

its about a 4000 dollar option , i drove one in a jeep and its pretty gutsy , not much lag like the old sprinter crap engine. i hope its easier to work on.

I can buy a lot of gas for 4 grand.

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by ali#1

I can buy a lot of gas for 4 grand.

It's only about $2k over the hemi. And will perform better.

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

It's only about $2k over the hemi. And will perform better.

I wouldn't be interested unless diesel was cheaper than gas.

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by ali#1

I wouldn't be interested unless diesel was cheaper than gas.

Well 6 months of the year diesel is cheaper. And you'll use a lot less.

[coolpete1]

Originally Posted by ali#1

I can buy a lot of gas for 4 grand.

don't buy one then

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

Well 6 months of the year diesel is cheaper. And you'll use a lot less.

Probably but it would take years to make up the difference. If one were to buy and keep for 10 plus years that would be ok.

[leeaspell]

I'd buy one, I put on 100,000km a year, lots of highway between swan hills and whitecourt, the diesel defiantly does better. Has to burn less when it just chugs up the hills instead of dropping gears and revving up to 2500-3000rpm.

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by ali#1

Probably but it would take years to make up the difference. If one were to buy and keep for 10 plus years that would be ok.

$2000 won't take long to make up if you save 30% a tank. Especially vs the hemi which is a pig on gas.
Even with my 5.0l f150 which wasn't bad on gas (averaged 12l/100km over the 18 months I had it) I bet I would of broke even in about 2 years as I drove 50k a year.

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

$2000 won't take long to make up if you save 30% a tank. Especially vs the hemi which is a pig on gas.
Even with my 5.0l f150 which wasn't bad on gas (averaged 12l/100km over the 18 months I had it) I bet I would of broke even in about 2 years as I drove 50k a year.

I drive very little I live 5 minutes from work and maybe drive 15000 km a year if I'm lucky. It wouldn't be worth it for me but for a guy driving 30 or more maybe. It's good that dodge is coming out with a half ton diesel, hopefully others follow.