Pulling With The Ford 3.5L Ecoboost.

[walker1]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

All this talk about overloading makes me feel I need a 1 ton diesel just to pull my 3500-4000# camper...

Go to RV.net and you will be told YOU need a dually!!!! HAHA


Never heard anyone claim they had too much truck but have SEEN the opposite every time on the road camping.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

Don't feel that way.. do your homework and you'll be fine. Most people assume weights of everything.. go to a weight scale, and get the actual weight of your camper. It really is eye opening.

I know I’m just being sarcastic. For what I pull and how often I pull it a half ton will be more then adequate. Yes a 1 ton would be great but the added expense of everything it entails would not be worth it for my application.

[walker1]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I know I’m just being sarcastic. For what I pull and how often I pull it a half ton will be more then adequate. Yes a 1 ton would be great but the added expense of everything it entails would not be worth it for my application.

Your combo is great. Don't need overkill for sure.

In general I find the 150 and 1500 rating to be way too high ( especially with towing a brick..... RV!) The HD pickups for the most part are underrated (GVWR, warranty issues). But, overloaded is overloaded.

[CptnBlues63]

Originally Posted by Dale S

I'm updating my 08 F350. I've been thinking of getting a F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. I pull a 2500lbs boat every weekend. I also pull a few times a year a 22ft fifth wheel. Not long hauls 2 hours max. A few times a year I pull my fifth wheel and boat at the same time. I know I wouldn't be able to do this with a F150 so I would have to make 2 trips. A f350 would be nice, but if I can pull a single load with a f150 with no problems I might go smaller.

I have a 2013 F150. We ordered it from the factory with the tow package. If memory serves me it's rated to pull 10,000 or a little over that.

I have 24' trailer that loaded weighs about 9000 lbs give or take a bit depending on how many clothes my wife packs. I put 8500 km's on it in June of 2016 when we went down to Oregon then over to Mt Rushmore and back up here to Northern, AB. I do a yearly trip to Portland, OR with that trailer to see my daughter and grandson that encompasses between 3000 and 4000 km's.

I've done the trip with a V8 (F150) and the new boosted 6 cylinder. Both pulled the 24' trailer beautifully and I've been through the Rockies and up the Coquihalla a few times so it's had to work hard on quite a few occasions.

FWIW, my 16' boat pulls like it's not even there and barely bumps the mileage up 1 liter per 100 km (if that).

Here's my advice..............If you're going to haul a trailer a lot, go with the V8 or get an F250/350. If like me, you do 80-90% of your driving without a trailer, then the V6 is a good choice as you get great gas mileage running empty. It definitely uses a lot more with a load than empty but then so does a V8. The difference between empty and loaded mileage is bigger on the V6 (ergo my advice).

[calgarygringo]

Dont forget that 10k lbs is a mark for licence issues and fuel ratings. If they stay below rates ad small truck over 10k moves them up with the big boys. Especially the half and 3/4 tons just a game they play to hit the mark.

[DOGFISH]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

I tow our 24' no problem, and even our 24' sailboat. and I love my egoboost. In the past I had a GMC with a 6L and pulling a fifthwheel I spend more time at the fuel station than camping.

When towing with any kind of truck be prepared that the fuel economy goes for $++T.

I am guessing the Ford has a larger fuel tank as most 6l GM's have a 90 liter fuel tank which is too small for a towing vehicle.

[Taco]

136 litres nowadays the older trucks had the dinky 85 litre fuel tank

[Robmcleod82]

We bought my wife a 2017 f150 ecoboost last year. We replaced her 2005 gmc 2500 with a 6.0. We got the max tow and max payload packages, which forced us into the ecoboost as I wanted the 5 L. Zero complaints the truck has blown my mind. We tow a fifthwheel horse trailer thats 9000 pounds with horses (Weighed on the scales) and it hauls and stops it every bit as well or better than the 6.0 did. The fuel mileage towing is better than the 6.0 was empty. Hauling my boat (2500lbs ish) you dont even know it is there and the fuel mileage is pretty close to when its empty. We went with the half ton because most of the time its my wifes daily driver and i didnt want her wearing out a diesel running around town. I think the biggest thing you give up going with the half ton is the full floating axles. Its amazing that we could tow anything with the 1 tons of 15 years ago........

[SinisteR]

I had a 2012 3.5 ecoboost fx4 with max tow and 6.5 ft box. Pulled a 30ft starcraft holiday trailer weighing 8400 lbs all over during the summer. Hauled all the way to Kelowna and back from Edmonton 2 years ago when daytime temps were 33* average in bc. Tow rating was 11200 lbs. Towed the trailer really well including in the mountains. All weights were legal unless i had too much stuff (600 lb+) in the box, Then I was over on rear axle only but overall weight was still fine. Had good 10 ply tires on though, mad a huge difference. With the factory p rated pirelli scorpion garbage tires it was very mushy.

Just bought a 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow 6.5 again. Now im good for 13000 lb tow rating and 18400 gcwr. Payload is better as well, plus with lighter truck weight I should be able to pile all the crap in the box I want.

[Coho911]

I double checked mine and my 2013 Ecoboost, 4x4 Supercrew with:
3.73 rear end and Max Tow Package (#7650 lbs)
Stock Ford transmission cooler
Stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A's (but heavy towing rated from Ford) - NOW have Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - E rated with WAY overkill sidewalls and towing rating way over what I need.

My chart from Ford shows my rating at

GCVW @ 17,100,
Trailer max @ 11,200

Stock Ford transmission cooler
Stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A's (but heavy towing rated from Ford) - NOW have Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - E rated with WAY overkill sidewalls and towing rating way over what I need.

I have pulled a 28' (30' overall) 8000 pound trailer for vacations and aside from a little bit of extra gas burned, it was like a little tractor. No problems keeping up with highway traffic, great braking, trailer control computer in winds is a MUST HAVE - corrects truck and trailer line with braking and traction control - AMAZING.

When driving the truck as a commuter on the highway, I usually get between 11.2 L/100 km (Goodyear SR-A tires, great low rolling resistance) and 12.4 L/100 km (Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - quiet, stiff bouncy ride form the stiff sidewalls and waaaaay lower rolling resistance, but better for what I need off pavement). But with a warranty of 90,000 kms - very worth it.

[reddeerguy2015]

Originally Posted by SinisteR

I had a 2012 3.5 ecoboost fx4 with max tow and 6.5 ft box. Pulled a 30ft starcraft holiday trailer weighing 8400 lbs all over during the summer. Hauled all the way to Kelowna and back from Edmonton 2 years ago when daytime temps were 33* average in bc. Tow rating was 11200 lbs. Towed the trailer really well including in the mountains. All weights were legal unless i had too much stuff (600 lb+) in the box, Then I was over on rear axle only but overall weight was still fine. Had good 10 ply tires on though, mad a huge difference. With the factory p rated pirelli scorpion garbage tires it was very mushy.

Just bought a 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow 6.5 again. Now im good for 13000 lb tow rating and 18400 gcwr. Payload is better as well, plus with lighter truck weight I should be able to pile all the crap in the box I want.

18,400 gcwr!?

Half ton??

I dare you to tow 13k with a f150 (kidding - don't).

I've got a 2009 dodge ram 3500 mega cab dually that has a gcwr of around 18,500 - so the same as your f150. I know which id prefer with 12k behind me.

That's just an accident waiting to happen.

[walker1]

Originally Posted by reddeerguy2015

18,400 gcwr!?

Half ton??

I dare you to tow 13k with a f150 (kidding - don't).

I've got a 2009 dodge ram 3500 mega cab dually that has a gcwr of around 18,500 - so the same as your f150. I know which id prefer with 12k behind me.

That's just an accident waiting to happen.

I agree. That is the problem with the 1500 and 150 ratings. The GCWR keeps going up but the truck is getting lighter so the math works........... but soon the tail is wagging the dog!!!!

Imagine the truck weight around 6500 pounds with hitch weight and the trailer pushing 11 -12000. Dangerous.

Even the HD need a balance. When my 350 has toyhauler hooked truck grosses 11500 (pin weight on truck is (2800-3000) and trailer comes in around 11500-13000 depending on garage loading which actually takes weight of the pin. A 50/50 or 40/60 balance and makes for nice towing in all conditions.

[Suzukisam]

Hey walker what you talking about the new ford echo only weighs 4900lbs fully loaded quad cab. Now what you think

[calgarygringo]

What ia the payload capacity on a tow rating like that? Just curious what they are at. My guess is that may be the kicker unless they have really beefed them up.

Originally Posted by Coho911

I double checked mine and my 2013 Ecoboost, 4x4 Supercrew with:
3.73 rear end and Max Tow Package (#7650 lbs)
Stock Ford transmission cooler
Stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A's (but heavy towing rated from Ford) - NOW have Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - E rated with WAY overkill sidewalls and towing rating way over what I need.

My chart from Ford shows my rating at

GCVW @ 17,100,
Trailer max @ 11,200

Stock Ford transmission cooler
Stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A's (but heavy towing rated from Ford) - NOW have Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - E rated with WAY overkill sidewalls and towing rating way over what I need.

I have pulled a 28' (30' overall) 8000 pound trailer for vacations and aside from a little bit of extra gas burned, it was like a little tractor. No problems keeping up with highway traffic, great braking, trailer control computer in winds is a MUST HAVE - corrects truck and trailer line with braking and traction control - AMAZING.

When driving the truck as a commuter on the highway, I usually get between 11.2 L/100 km (Goodyear SR-A tires, great low rolling resistance) and 12.4 L/100 km (Goodyear Wrangler Adventures - quiet, stiff bouncy ride form the stiff sidewalls and waaaaay lower rolling resistance, but better for what I need off pavement). But with a warranty of 90,000 kms - very worth it.

[walker1]

Originally Posted by Suzukisam

Hey walker what you talking about the new ford echo only weighs 4900lbs fully loaded quad cab. Now what you think

4900 ( stripped down base model XLT only) plus 1000-1200 hitch weight..........

Truck would be more like 5200-5800.

6500 or more with hitch and occupants. Higher trim even more.
The 4900 scenario you mention make the dog tail even happier!!!!!! make it even worse!!!!

That shows another issue. People go by brochure curb weight. A 4900 pound brochure XLT is easily 500 -700 more in lariat or higher trim levels........even with the lighter aluminum.

[SinisteR]

I definitely dont intend to tow to the max rating. Got pretty heavy overall on the 2012 when I had the Zebec boat, 20hp motor, gas cans, a generator, firewood, propane tank, plus random crap in the box. Plus wife and kids in truck with the trailer loaded up. It actually towed pretty well. Lots of power and braking. Big key is a trailer that is balanced well and a good equalizer hitch set up properly. Tail would wag the dog a bit with the crap tires but was nice with the 10 ply toyo ct's.

I would recommend using one to tow on a casual basis for sure. I towed maybe 10% to 15% of total mileage. If i got over 40% I would maybe consider something bigger. Just be sure to check the owners manual/door labels to make sure you have the right set up for the weight. I had to factory order the 2012 and the 2018 was a hard find to get it right. Without the right gear ratio or payload setup the ratings drop considerably. 90% of the ones on a dealer lot are meant to haul groceries and drive to the spa. City trucks made for fuel economy. Do your research.

[Suzukisam]

You guys better go to fords site and look at 2018 specs. A f150 king ranch super crew weight is 2235 kg. With the 3.5 echo The new truck is really light. And look at the lariat f350 quad 3300 kg

[guru fisher]

My tundra pulls like a diesel. Amazing how good it pulls but 25 + liters per 100 k
Once a big loads on

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by guru fisher

My tundra pulls like a diesel. Amazing how good it pulls but 25 + liters per 100 k
Once a big loads on

I didn’t realize the Tundra’s were making 925 ft lbs of torque. My kudos to Toyota. Very impressive. Does your tundra also handle, brake, retard, and carry like said diesel? Or just pull like a diesel? I’m very interested in this Tundra; what trim model do you have that competes with a diesel?

[Dale S]

This truck has to last me into retirement. You guys on here have confirmed what my thoughts were on the 3.5 ecoboost. I just don't think the 3.5 will last 10 years of pulling. I've decided on the F350 Lariat. Anyone interested in a 08 f350 just under 300000on truck and 130000 on the crate motor. I have all the bills for the new motor and oil changes every 5000km.

[calgarygringo]

Tundra motors are great and pull well but look at the payload of the trucks they are not even close to a Ford. Pretty easy to overload them with a decent weight trailer and gear.

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I didn’t realize the Tundra’s were making 925 ft lbs of torque. My kudos to Toyota. Very impressive. Does your tundra also handle, brake, retard, and carry like said diesel? Or just pull like a diesel? I’m very interested in this Tundra; what trim model do you have that competes with a diesel?

[sako1]

Originally Posted by hypermoa

i didn’t realize the tundra’s were making 925 ft lbs of torque. My kudos to toyota. Very impressive. Does your tundra also handle, brake, retard, and carry like said diesel? Or just pull like a diesel? I’m very interested in this tundra; what trim model do you have that competes with a diesel?

lol

[walker1]

Originally Posted by Suzukisam

You guys better go to fords site and look at 2018 specs. A f150 king ranch super crew weight is 2235 kg. With the 3.5 echo The new truck is really light. And look at the lariat f350 quad 3300 kg

You are posting weight from a ford website and brochure. That is curb weight. It is not accurate.

A f 350 lariat weighs over 8000 pounds without fuel. I had a 2012 and now a 2017 and even with the aluminum there is a 7 pound difference. I weigh at scales. The 350 you quote is the gasser and weighs 700 pounds less.

Anyone with a 2018 f150 want to post a pic of the yellow sticker for payload?
GVWR subtract payload equals true truck weight.

I had a 150 that weighed 6250 pounds . 2010 lariat

[walker1]

Originally Posted by Dale S

This truck has to last me into retirement. You guys on here have confirmed what my thoughts were on the 3.5 ecoboost. I just don't think the 3.5 will last 10 years of pulling. I've decided on the F350 Lariat. Anyone interested in a 08 f350 just under 300000on truck and 130000 on the crate motor. I have all the bills for the new motor and oil changes every 5000km.

Smart man! Diesel or 6.2 gasser?

[walker1]

Originally Posted by calgarygringo

Tundra motors are great and pull well but look at the payload of the trucks they are not even close to a Ford. Pretty easy to overload them with a decent weight trailer and gear.

4 guys and their golf clubs max out the tundra payload .
They pull good but don't carry much.

[Dale S]

Originally Posted by walker1

Smart man! Diesel or 6.2 gasser?

I'm goin with the (450hp, 935lb-ft) 6.7 diesel.

[Suzukisam]

Smart and safest choice. You saved yourself an expensive lessen

[walker1]

Originally Posted by Dale S

I'm goin with the (450hp, 935lb-ft) 6.7 diesel.

Great choice!!!

You will be smiling often. Love my 2017 platinum. My 2012 was a horse too but braking is so much better since the turbos were redesigned in 2015.