Diesel Prices

[bcwrencher]

Originally Posted by ali#1

Vehicles are a terrible investment. Like you said if you need one to make a living that's one thing, but for cruising around in to look cool it's awfully expensive.

I buy vehicles about 10 years old or older for $3000-$6000. Pay cash and keep them runnin at Canadian tire or bucks auto. Sometimes it's a bit of a headache but so is that $700 a month payment for a depreciating vehicle.

700 a month is cheap, most guys I know are paying 1k a month or more on their new diesels. Mine's an 04 that's paid for, gonna drive it into the ground, hope to never have to buy another one! Or if I do, I'm doing it the same way. New trucks seem to be getting worse as far as reliability, and never stop getting more expensive

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by bcwrencher

700 a month is cheap, most guys I know are paying 1k a month or more on their new diesels. Mine's an 04 that's paid for, gonna drive it into the ground, hope to never have to buy another one! Or if I do, I'm doing it the same way. New trucks seem to be getting worse as far as reliability, and never stop getting more expensive

Yeah one guy at work just got a new dodge and it was 65k. Worst of all he got way too much truck he bought it to haul a trailer that you could easily tow behind a gas unit. I think it's $900a month.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by bcwrencher

700 a month is cheap, most guys I know are paying 1k a month or more on their new diesels. Mine's an 04 that's paid for, gonna drive it into the ground, hope to never have to buy another one! Or if I do, I'm doing it the same way. New trucks seem to be getting worse as far as reliability, and never stop getting more expensive

Run'em until the doors fall off or trade'em in every 20,000km are the 2 least cost scenarios IMO. Settin' up a new truck every 3 1/2 months doesn't appeal to me and still cost too damn much. I think 500,000 km is reasonable on a carefully maintained light truck.

[Reeves1]

Just shy of 60k on my 2012 F-350 ......and diesel has cost me $0.00 , so far

[Taco]

Originally Posted by ali#1

Yeah one guy at work just got a new dodge and it was 65k. Worst of all he got way too much truck he bought it to haul a trailer that you could easily tow behind a gas unit. I think it's $900a month.

Over 80 months I'd bet.

[sewerrat]

for some guys it doesn't matter if diesel is sky high.
Saw 2 big jacked up duramax diesels purring a way in a Canadian tire parking lot.
Those guys must have to much money to burn.

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by Taco

Over 80 months I'd bet.

I think 84 yeah.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

for some guys it doesn't matter if diesel is sky high.
Saw 2 big jacked up duramax diesels purring a way in a Canadian tire parking lot.
Those guys must have to much money to burn.

Same morons that leave the heater on all winter at 80 degrees C have the air conditioning on all summer idling at 50 degrees C choking out the people loading groceries. Half the time it's women driving 1 ton dually farm plated trucks and excursions with purple diesel idling for 2 hours while they get their hair done.

Always the same entitled answer too; "my money, my diesel, my truck"

An Alberta wide no-idle law can't come soon enough. That's about as 'green' as I get.

[Reeves1]

My 2012 , the computer controls the fuel. The longer it is at idle, the less fuel.
At (about) -10c the engine heat will go down to/into the cold marks.
Good thing it has an electric heater !
If left to warm up for an hour, it will never reach "running" temp.

So, one hit on the command start (15 min) and it's off to work.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by ali#1

I think 84 yeah.

65K over 7yrs makes it a 85,000 dollar, give or take, truck that might(??) be worth 10 grand.

Smart money....

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by Taco

65K over 7yrs makes it a 85,000 dollar, give or take, truck that might(??) be worth 10 grand.

Smart money....

@ .51 per km if a guy gets 500,000 that's over $250,000. For some people it's an investment.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

@ .51 per km if a guy gets 500,000 that's over $250,000. For some people it's an investment.

Bingo! Smart man that is likely self employed!

[Taco]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

@ .51 per km if a guy gets 500,000 that's over $250,000. For some people it's an investment.

True that. Most of us ain't in those shoes.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Bingo! Smart man that is likely self employed!

Or more likely contractin' for an energy company kissin' someone's gluteus maximus

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by Taco

Or more likely contractin' for an energy company kissin' someone's gluteus maximus

Self employed. Yes. Kissin butt. Nope. Just sayin some guys vehicles are their livelihoods, and if that's the case they definately should spend what's necessary to get the job done. Me I buy hot rods and stuff on the company dime, slap a corporate logo on them and drive them to trade shows.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

Self employed. Yes. Kissin butt. Nope. Just sayin some guys vehicles are their livelihoods, and if that's the case they definately should spend what's necessary to get the job done. Me I buy hot rods and stuff on the company dime, slap a corporate logo on them and drive them to trade shows.

Hey man I'm in agriculture, long on job satisfaction, helluva lot shorter on cash flow and I can't make a livin' without a decent truck. I just wish I had customers that didn't mind parting with 51 cents a km. I charge them .35 and they squeal like hell.

[dgl1948]

Co-op said there was a shortage because of the bumper crop in Sask. this year. It took a lot of extra fuel because of that.I guess the boys are still harvesting.

[leeaspell]

Oh, so it's because of sask now. First it was because the refinery was down, then it was because it was cold, then it was just because lol. Been dealing with shortages here in whitecourt since August.

[Penner]

Originally Posted by Peter Gill

Good gawd, paid 132.9 in Squamish, no good reason BC is only 3c higher than Calgary!

Do you know how many people run diesel's in Alberta? Not only pick-ups but all the construction equipment. Simple supply & demand that's the reason.

Diesel pick-ups are great but for them to be cost beneficial one had best be towing serious weight regularly otherwise??? There expensive to buy, run, and maintain.

The NWR refinery should help with the supply in 3 years or so.

[Peter Gill]

Yeah Penner, I understand that. What I can't figure is that with a longer supply chain and much higher taxes, a town less than 45 min from Vancouver has diesel for only three cents more than Calgary.

[Ranger CS]

Just read an article in my son's Diesel World magazine stating that manufactures will be putting 30+ new diesels on the market in 2014.
This will include, cars, trucks, suvs, and vans for sale in the US. I quote, "this is partly do to the EPA raising the bar on fuel economy standards. It will take diesel engines to meet the 2016 corporate average fuel economy standard of 35.5 MPG". This is based on the idea diesels engines get better mileage than comparable gas engines. If this is really going to happen, we can look forward to even higher diesel prices at the pump as the demand for diesel gets stronger in the future.

[ward]

"Just read an article in my son's Diesel World magazine stating that manufactures will be putting 30+ new diesels on the market in 2014."
"this is partly do to the EPA raising the bar on fuel economy standards. It will take diesel engines to meet the 2016 corporate average fuel economy standard of 35.5 MPG"

It seems Ford is almost there with a gasoline truck.

http://www.ford.ca/trucks/f150/

And GM claims their 2014 pickup is better than the Ford's fuel consumption.

I wonder who gets to do the actual testing to meet the new standard. The manufacturers have been blowing smoke for years.

[hopper146]

Originally Posted by Peter Gill

Yeah Penner, I understand that. What I can't figure is that with a longer supply chain and much higher taxes, a town less than 45 min from Vancouver has diesel for only three cents more than Calgary.

Well...there is a Chevron refinery in Burnaby...can't remember whether it makes diesel or not though. But they do make the finest premium around...

[dmac]

Hold onto your hats. Federated Coop had their bi-annual refinery fire on Dec. 24, expect diesel prices to move even higher. Those guys sure know how to run a refinery.

[Piker]

I have been dealing at a co_op for over a year in Taber and the price has remained at 118.9 for the entire time. Piker

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by artie

The only way we are going to get those guys that sit in those big towers in Calgary to bring down the prices is to stop buying the product. Let's see we put it up and people are still buying just as much so lets put it up agian.

Supply and demand drives up prices. Lack of refineries drives up prices.

If you stop buying diesel the prices should come down.

Oil companies are not making unfair prices. The years of unusually cheap prices are long gone. Now you just need to pay what it costs to make with a small reasonable profit included.

Global warming fears will continue to drive up costs and prices.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 1899b

Yup. We are gettin raped hardcore.....

Pretty harsh statement. Please provide back up to more clearly explain such a dramatic statement.

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.shell.ca/en/products-serv...l-pricing.html

10. Why are diesel prices higher than in the past?

Diesel demand has increased steadily driven by strong industrial growth in Canada and the growing number of diesel-powered vehicles, particularly in areas such as Europe. As a component of home heating oil, diesel is in far greater demand in the winter, which tends to impact wholesale diesel prices.

[Sundancefisher]

Looks like Alberta has the cheapest prices.

Diesel Price Alert

If you drive a car or truck that is fueled with diesel, then you’ll want to know what the price trend is for diesel in Canada.
Here it is:
Diesel prices in the GTA will RISE 2 cents overnight to an average of $136.9 for Thursday/Friday December 26/27
In Montreal, $ 146.9
Ottawa, $137.9
Calgary, $129.9
Vancouver, $146.9

http://tomorrowsgaspricetoday.com/diesel-price-alert/

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...on154b-eng.htm
Prices are rising every year.


Gasoline and fuel oil, average retail prices by urban centre
(Diesel fuel at self service filling stations)
November 2009 November 2010 November 2011 November 2012 November 2013
Diesel fuel at self service filling stations
cents per litre
St. John's .. .. .. .. 140.2
Charlottetown and Summerside 100.0 106.9 130.7 131.1 143.3
Halifax .. .. .. .. 133.6
Saint John .. .. .. .. 137.0
Québec 101.8 112.2 137.7 137.9 136.9
Montréal 102.2 111.9 135.7 138.2 135.9
Ottawa 93.2 106.1 128.8 122.3 126.3
Toronto 96.4 106.7 128.4 118.1 124.8
Thunder Bay . . . . .
Winnipeg 92.9 102.7 126.2 118.4 127.4
Regina 94.9 104.1 126.3 115.9 127.6
Saskatoon 94.2 101.5 126.7 117.4 125.1
Edmonton 88.3 100.4 117.8 107.9 121.1
Calgary 90.2 102.2 123.9 111.7 124.7
Vancouver 103.4 118.9 140.3 131.4 143.7
Victoria 100.7 115.9 137.9 125.4 135.2
Whitehorse 103.2 120.4 142.2 136.9 143.4
Yellowknife 102.2 104.7 132.2 135.6 135.6