Rural security and defense

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

control situations without overreacting.

And "stuff" is insurable.

Overreacting is subjective to many interpretations.

That is why we need better self defense laws.

And my insurance premiums reflect your callous attitude on your personal property.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Overreacting is subjective to many interpretations.

That is why we need better self defense laws.

And my insurance premiums reflect your callous attitude on your personal property.

"Reasonable force" is the standard.

Considering I've never put in a claim, you're welcome.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Training? Why so we can remain victims of crime? Skip the training and have a accountable justice system.

Do you wear a seat belt, or motorcycle helmet, or work gloves?

Similar concept, in that you're prepared in case something happens.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

"Reasonable force" is the standard.

Considering I've never put in a claim, you're welcome.

And from whose perspective is the force used deemed reasonable?

In a home invasion I might believe I need a lot of force. Turns out I didn’t. Have I then used unreasonable force? Whose interpretation will be taken as correct?

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by TBD

so no one can randomly drive up your lane.

this is what I have done

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by Gerald_G

I was out yesterday afternoon slowly putting along a farm road in hopes of spotting an owl to perhaps get a photo of.

Local farmer jumps in pickup, pulls up beside me and questions my activity as part of rural crime watch. I have no problem with this, but I do wonder for his safety if I had in fact been a pistol toting gangster?

maybe he was packing

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Do you wear a seat belt, or motorcycle helmet, or work gloves?

Similar concept, in that you're prepared in case something happens.

Ya right. I have the choice to wear those. I don't have a choice to what degenerate is gonna steal my stuff or do harm to my family. They make the choice. I'll make the choice on how I defend my loved ones and belongings. My training includes target practice with a variety of protection devices. So ya I guess your training comment does have some validity.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And from whose perspective is the force used deemed reasonable?

In a home invasion I might believe I need a lot of force. Turns out I didn’t. Have I then used unreasonable force? Whose interpretation will be taken as correct?

It's a grey area in Canadian law, but if it went to court, the judge would decide.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Ya right. I have the choice to wear those. I don't have a choice to what degenerate is gonna steal my stuff or do harm to my family. They make the choice. I'll make the choice on how I defend my loved ones and belongings. My training includes target practice with a variety of protection devices. So ya I guess your training comment does have some validity.

Training gives you choices in how to respond or extricate yourself from situations.

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Training? Why so can remain victims of crime? Skip the training and have a accountable justice system.

I think the response time on the accountable system might be a bit too long. How about deal with reality? If I were doing a "workshop", I would be training people about "safe space distance" ... and placing ones self close to a vehicle which I thought could be a threat would not get good marks.
EDIT: Bottom line is that the law is not going to change regarding using reasonable force, so we can whine about how disadvantaged "good guys" are for the not five years, or we can set up workshops for folks that want options. Whining doesn't make us safer....response options in stressful situations does!

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

It's a grey area in Canadian law, but if it went to court, the judge would decide.

And that is what I have issue with. Appointed judges, deciding if you were justified in being as frightened as you really were.

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And that is what I have issue with. Appointed judges, deciding if you were justified in being as frightened as you really were.

Elected judges...Another never going to happen here event.

[Grizzly Adams]

Part of the problem is the large number of unoccupied homes, during the day. Mom and pop are off working to pay for the place and the kids are in school. Lots of time for the bad guys to do their thing, especially if your house is in a secluded location. Just got back from measuring up a couple of doors for replacement. The house is in a sub division, surrounded by trees and the owners both work in Calgary. House and garage both broken into and cleaned out.

Grizz

[parfleche]

Hate to say it BUT this event in Saskatchewan has awakened a lot of paranoia, The majority of farmers never have an event similar to Stanley,s , and likely never will, Non the less instead of everyone reaching for a gun etc, the better plan is to make it difficult for thieves to make it worthwhile to rob you or your possessions, Thieves are lazy POS , If its too risky or difficult they wont risk it.Stanley was a different story , did he do the right thing? In his opinion he did! The group he was faced with could not formulate normal though process, They were too impaired ,so impaired in fact they could not help themselves at trial ! THAT alone made the situation dangerous ! Sad for both sides!

[243 wild cat]

I agree with what some say but if someone steals something and i did not see them do it I can live with that some what but if i can stop them if seen i will with force! Not reaching for a gun but damn sure would be something. And if somone enters my house ,i guarantee it will be with deadly force! Not just a confrontation with a ass spanking. 1000000% my kids my wife and myself come first!! not some scum bag with nothing to lose! and i will say again scum have nothing to lose they all make a CHOICE and KARMA is a bitch!

[KBF]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Make egress difficult without going through locked gates. Lights and cameras for visibility. Know your neighbors. Train your dogs and always have a small dugout prepared to hide a vehicle and its contents.

Best if dugout can be placed on the neighbors property.

[Fish along]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Best advice a can give you is have the door open out. Pretty hard to kick in. Doors that open in are very easy to kick open

Ok I'll put a bar on the outside of the storm door ,it swings out lol.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by parfleche

Hate to say it BUT this event in Saskatchewan has awakened a lot of paranoia, The majority of farmers never have an event similar to Stanley,s , and likely never will, Non the less instead of everyone reaching for a gun etc, the better plan is to make it difficult for thieves to make it worthwhile to rob you or your possessions, Thieves are lazy POS , If its too risky or difficult they wont risk it.Stanley was a different story , did he do the right thing? In his opinion he did! The group he was faced with could not formulate normal though process, They were too impaired ,so impaired in fact they could not help themselves at trial ! THAT alone made the situation dangerous ! Sad for both sides!

"The better plan" people have been spouting that for the last couple of years or more. It might make you feel better to suggest it, but lots of people have installed lights, chains, locks etc, pretty obvious we are way past that being a better plan with regard to many thieves.

For some it is a deterrent but for many more and more all the time it is not working. The thieves know now that even if the RCMP happen to respond to a rural call (which is doubtful) they will most likely be a half hour or more. That is a BIG reason why rural crime (theft and B/E) has escalated, no law enforcement prevention of any kind for theft any more.

The RCMP keep crying about not having enough people, so I say use a few hundred soldiers who patrol and set up sting operations for vehicles and ATV's (GPS). With all the theft of those it should be fairly easy to start catching or deterring some of these thefts. Do some damn thing beside whining that you don't have enough people..........that is getting really pathetic.

If the government and the RCMP continue to ignore this escalating and dangerous problem you are probably going to see more of "The Stanley" prevention method. The RCMP can do something about it but have chosen not to.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Fish along

Ok I'll put a bar on the outside of the storm door ,it swings out lol.

Id be getting rid of the storm door but put a bar where ever you like. Just saying a door that swings out is more secure then one that swings in. If you don't believe me close your inner door and try to kick it open from the inside. After your tired go outside and kick it in the way it opens. Let me know which one works. Better yet video it for a lesson for all of us. I bet you can't do it.

[79ford]

You need something in your yard that scares people off, like an old shooting car or some chain saw chain hanging from your gate. Guns, chainsaws, axes and some old beaters/machinery signifies the risks far outweigh the rewards. Do you really want to go into a yard that may just have old beaters in the shop knowing the owner has guns and old saws?

[RangerG]

Originally Posted by rem338win

always have a small dugout prepared to hide a vehicle and its contents.

I chuckled out loud when I read this!

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by 79ford

You need something in your yard that scares people off, like an old shooting car or some chain saw chain hanging from your gate. Guns, chainsaws, axes and some old beaters/machinery signifies the risks far outweigh the rewards. Do you really want to go into a yard that may just have old beaters in the shop knowing the owner has guns and old saws?

Junk vehicles,chain, old equipment, old tires....Sounds like I'm better prepared that I thought.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by KBF

Best if dugout can be placed on the neighbors property.

Dugout? Ive never had one.

Old potato cellar might've collapsed......

[Norwest Alta]

Pig's. A whole barn full of pigs and a woodchipper/forage harvester

[Newview01]

Some well placed tannerite for added effect with those warning shots.

[Fish along]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Id be getting rid of the storm door but put a bar where ever you like. Just saying a door that swings out is more secure then one that swings in. If you don't believe me close your inner door and try to kick it open from the inside. After your tired go outside and kick it in the way it opens. Let me know which one works. Better yet video it for a lesson for all of us. I bet you can't do it.

Hey I'm a carpenter and have been for 40 years, and I know these things. Most residential doors swing inwards, not many outwards except industrial, I would say 99% of housing have in swing doors except sliding doors? Having the door swing outward is good,but you still only have your dead bolt and your keyed lock which can be pried open in seconds with a bar of sorts.with my method you could destroy both locks but wouldn't be even close to getting in.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Fish along

Hey I'm a carpenter and have been for 40 years, and I know these things. Most residential doors swing inwards, not many outwards except industrial, I would say 99% of housing have in swing doors except sliding doors? Having the door swing outward is good,but you still only have your dead bolt and your keyed lock which can be pried open in seconds with a bar of sorts.with my method you could destroy both locks but wouldn't be even close to getting in.

A bar across the door is a eyesore. Lol.

[curtz]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Its easy

Just decide who is more important

You and your family or the POS who is committing a criminal offence

Here is what needs to happen. It needs to happen to a cop, or a lawyer, or a judge, or a politician.

Then, you will have either a precedence, or a dead cop/lawyer/judge/politician

Spot on

[Battle Rat]

I put up a Help Wanted sign at the end of the driveway.
That scares away the leaches of society.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Battle Rat

I put up a Help Wanted sign at the end of the driveway.
That scares away the leaches of society.

Lol.