Rural security and defense - Page 3

YoteStopper · #61 02-13-2018, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Newview01

Overreacting is subjective to many interpretations.

That is why we need better self defense laws.

And my insurance premiums reflect your callous attitude on your personal property.

I always love the "stuff is insurable & replaceable" argument. Things would be simpler if we were permitted by law to defend ourselves and our property never mind our legal system that has no real bite. The rural crime rate would probably drop if these perps ran the risk of being met with force.

Ken07AOVette · #62 02-13-2018, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by YoteStopper

I always love the "stuff is insurable & replaceable" argument. Things would be simpler if we were permitted by law to defend ourselves and our property never mind our legal system that has no real bite. The rural crime rate would probably drop if these perps ran the risk of being met with force.

It's more like 'I don't have it so you don't need it'

Like trying to argue philosophy with a tree stump.

Hat in the Cat · #63 02-13-2018, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by YoteStopper

I always love the "stuff is insurable & replaceable" argument. Things would be simpler if we were permitted by law to defend ourselves and our property never mind our legal system that has no real bite. The rural crime rate would probably drop if these perps ran the risk of being met with force.

The other argument I like is "no property is worth killing somebody over" when I would argue that a better argument would be "it's not worth dying over somebody else's property so leave it alone"

silver · #64 02-14-2018, 06:10 AM

The discussion point seems to be " is some ones life worth a stereo or some jewellery ".

I would think that particular rate of exchange has been set by the person breaking into some strangers house.

Badgerbadger · #65 02-14-2018, 06:22 AM

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The other argument I like is "no property is worth killing somebody over" when I would argue that a better argument would be "it's not worth dying over somebody else's property so leave it alone"

It appears the majority here will kill people for stuff.

That's pretty sad.

silver · #66 02-14-2018, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

It appears the majority here will kill people for stuff.

That's pretty sad.

I don't think I would kill someone for " stuff "

Invading my house is a different matter.

hal53 · #67 02-14-2018, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by silver

I don't think I would kill someone for " stuff "

Invading my house is a different matter.

^^ This......

Badgerbadger · #68 02-14-2018, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by silver

I don't think I would kill someone for " stuff "

Invading my house is a different matter.

That you can't definitively say "I wouldn't kill people for stuff" speaks volumes. Not good volumes, either.

What if they invade your house and you're not home; Do you hunt them down and kill them? What if you're in the back yard; Do you rush in and kill them? What if you can get out through the back door; Do you stay and kill them? What if you can subdue them; do you then kill them?

I understand fighting back when trapped/cornered, or when someone else is in immediate danger, but I do not understand why you'd kill someone who is inconveniencing you.

Badgerbadger · #69 02-14-2018, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hal53

^^ This......

Hi, Hal! I've missed your thoughtful insights.

Norwest Alta · #70 02-14-2018, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

It appears the majority here will kill people for stuff.

That's pretty sad.

Nothing sad about it. It's not yours so don't take it. Is it worth killing for probably not but it sure isn't worth dying for. Don't matter if it's in the house or out in the yard it is a invasion of my personal space. Have a problem and need help by all means come to my door. No need for rap music to be blaring, no need to be driving fast down my drive way. No need to start my quad or look around. Come to the door first. Like most normal people do. You do this chances of getting shot are slim to nil.

hal53 · #71 02-14-2018, 06:47 AM

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Hi, Hal! I've missed your thoughtful insights.

Weird....I haven't missed yours..

coastalhunter · #72 02-14-2018, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

That you can't definitively say "I wouldn't kill people for stuff" speaks volumes. Not good volumes, either.

What if they invade your house and you're not home; Do you hunt them down and kill them? What if you're in the back yard; Do you rush in and kill them? What if you can get out through the back door; Do you stay and kill them? What if you can subdue them; do you then kill them?

I understand fighting back when trapped/cornered, or when someone else is in immediate danger, but I do not understand why you'd kill someone who is inconveniencing you.

How close are your neighbors in this scenario

densa44 · #73 02-14-2018, 06:48 AM

We have "hardened the targets" locks on door, no keys in the ignition, a motion sensors with lights.

But I think what has worked best, we haven't had any crime, is that we all look out for one another. I have stood on the road and photographed "strange" cars.

In one memorable case the car stopped and a young fellow, one of 4, got out and asked me what I was doing that and I told him if something happened to them, they disappeared or something, I'd have pictures to show the police.

They have never been back.

Newview01 · #74 02-14-2018, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

It appears the majority here will kill people for stuff.

That's pretty sad.

That's a pretty leftist spin on the situation. Turning the criminal into the victim, is what you are doing. Statements like that are why we are where we are.

Why don't we start asking criminals, is stealing worth the risk of dying?

hal53 · #75 02-14-2018, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Newview01

That's a pretty leftist spin on the situation. Turning the criminal into the victim, is what you are doing. Statements like that are why we are where we are.

Why don't we start asking criminals, is stealing worth the risk of dying?

'Leftist" is the key word in this statement.

Badgerbadger · #76 02-14-2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Nothing sad about it. It's not yours so don't take it. Is it worth killing for probably not but it sure isn't worth dying for. Don't matter if it's in the house or out in the yard it is a invasion of my personal space. Have a problem and need help by all means come to my door. No need for rap music to be blaring, no need to be driving fast down my drive way. No need to start my quad or look around. Come to the door first. Like most normal people do. You do this chances of getting shot are slim to nil.

"Shoot first, ask questions later."

Yes, I understand.

Badgerbadger · #77 02-14-2018, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hal53

Weird....I haven't missed yours..

Well, I thought I'd let you know, on this valentines day, that you're not just some forgotten has-been.

Newview01 · #78 02-14-2018, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

"Shoot first, ask questions later."

Yes, I understand.

Badgerbadger · #79 02-14-2018, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by coastalhunter

How close are your neighbors in this scenario

Why does that matter at all? Are you worried about them calling the cops because of the screams of the person you're killing?

hal53 · #80 02-14-2018, 06:56 AM

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Well, I thought I'd let you know, on this valentines day, that you're not just some forgotten has-been.

That's nice.. I'll get your participation ribbon in the mail

Newview01 · #81 02-14-2018, 06:57 AM

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Why does that matter at all? Are you worried about them calling the cops because of the screams of the person you're killing?

Lol. I can't wait to read what you have to say next...

Badgerbadger · #82 02-14-2018, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Newview01

That's a pretty leftist spin on the situation. Turning the criminal into the victim, is what you are doing. Statements like that are why we are where we are.

Why don't we start asking criminals, is stealing worth the risk of dying?

You've (the majority here) indicated that stuff is more valuable than life. I restating that fact, clearly.

If valuing lives over mere stuff is leftist, I'm ok with that.

Norwest Alta · #83 02-14-2018, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

"Shoot first, ask questions later."

Yes, I understand.

Appears you do not.

Badgerbadger · #84 02-14-2018, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hal53

That's nice.. I'll get your participation ribbon in the mail

Here's me, holding my breath waiting for that!

Thanks, Hal!

hal53 · #85 02-14-2018, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Here's me, holding my breath waiting for that!

Thanks, Hal!

If only..................

Badgerbadger · #86 02-14-2018, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hal53

If only..................

Ya, because I don't agree with you, I should die.

You guys are wonderful!

hunterfisher · #87 02-14-2018, 07:05 AM

One thing to mention is that not all break-ins are legit. I have heard quite a few are “insurance” jobs but ya gotta make it look right.

Get a dog, put up a driveway gate, have a fenced yard, put up security signs/beware of dog or whatever, have yard lighting, don’t leave stuff out in the open that can be simply put away, and invest in a security monitoring system. That’s just a few things to deter most thieves.

Norwest Alta · #88 02-14-2018, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

You've (the majority here) indicated that stuff is more valuable than life. I restating that fact, clearly.

If valuing lives over mere stuff is leftist, I'm ok with that.

I'll value my stuff how I want but I will tell you I place a high value on my personal space. It just so happens that my belongings are in my personal space. If you value life as much as you seem to stay out of my personal space there won't be a problem. Go steal stuff from people with your mindset and you'll be safe. If you'd like to put on your map were your life will have less value then my belongings I'll send you my address. You've been warned I suggest you pay attention.

silver · #89 02-14-2018, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

I understand fighting back when trapped/cornered, or when someone else is in immediate danger, but I do not understand why you'd kill someone who is inconveniencing you.

I will fight back to defend myself, anyone in my care, and anyone under my roof.

If someone kicks my door in, I am rather sure they have ideas to more than "inconveniance" me.

And I am not going to lay back and pray and trust that they are merely misunderstood people. I am sure they are good people that fell into a bad crowd but are trying to get their life together again.

But until I know they are good people, I will treat them as if they are bad. Good people don't kick doors in.

Newview01 · #90 02-14-2018, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

You've (the majority here) indicated that stuff is more valuable than life. I restating that fact, clearly.

If valuing lives over mere stuff is leftist, I'm ok with that.

You obviously don't understand the concept. With your attitude, we will be paying more for insurance than taxes before you know it. Is that what you want?

It doesn't matter how you say it, you are turning the criminal into the victim. The results of criminal activity are the results of criminal activity. In the Stanley case, Stanley is the victim. Boushie's death was the result of his own criminality.