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Old 03-20-2019, 09:39 PM
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New Zealand's gun law changes explained

The press conference is still going on, but Ardern’s press team have sent over this Q&A.


1. What semi-automatic firearms will be affected by the ban?

The ban will apply to all firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs) and will also include assault rifles.

2. What semi-automatic firearms will NOT be affected by the ban?

There is a balance to be struck between public safety and legitimate use. The changes exclude two general classes of firearms which are commonly used for hunting, pest control, stock management on farms, and duck shooting:

· Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than ten rounds

· Semi-automatic and pump action shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine which holds no more than five rounds

3. What semi-automatic firearms are affected by today’s Order in Council?

Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):

· A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

· A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges


4. I have an A-Category firearms licence and now own MSSAs. What should I do?

It would normally be an offence for an A-Category licence holder to possess an MSSA, punishable by up to three years in prison or a $4000 fine. However a transitional period gives time for people to comply with the law, if they take certain steps. The transitional period will be confirmed next month. Firearms owners who unlawfully possess an MSSA now have three options:

· Voluntarily surrender the firearm to Police for safe disposal.

· Complete an online form on the Police website to arrange for the MSSA to be collected, while details are finalised for compensation under a buy back scheme

· Sell or gift the firearm to a person who has an E-Category licence and a ‘permit to procure’ the weapon

5. Are Police geared up to receive large numbers of MSSAs?

Yes. They will work with the New Zealand Defence Force to enable safe storage, transport and destruction of MSSAs. Police are establishing an online form which will make it easier for firearms owners to arrange for Police to collect the MSSAs. The online form will go live over the weekend. It will not be practicable for firearms owners to physically return their weapons to Police stations without prior approval. Where extra administrative staff are required they will be hired on fixed-term contracts.

6. Will this lead to stockpiling of semi-automatics?

No. The changes under the Order in Council take effect immediately. Anyone who now unlawfully has an MSSA, which yesterday was a lawful firearm, needs to take steps to comply with the law.

7. Will some firearms dealers be breaking the law if they have these MSSAs in stock?

Some firearms dealers only hold A-category licences. In order to comply with the law, they could sell their stock of semi-automatics to a Category E licence holder or return them to their supplier.

8. What are the statistics for firearms licences and firearms in circulation?

· There are 245,000 firearms licences

· Of these, 7,500 are E-Category licences; and 485 are dealer licences

· There are 13,500 firearms which require the owner to have an E-Cat licence, this is effectively the known number of MSSAs before today’s changes

· The total number of firearms in New Zealand is estimated to be 1.2-1.5 million

9. What further issues are being considered?

Cabinet will consider further steps on 25 March. These will include measures to:

· Tighten firearms licensing and penalties

· Impose greater controls over a range of ammunition

· Address a number of other issues relevant to special interest groups such as international sports shooters and professional pest controllers, such as DoC.

· Future proof the Arms Act to ensure it is able to respond to developments in technology and society

10. How will the buyback work, and who will administer it?

Police, the Treasury and other agencies are working through the detail. More information will be available when the legislation is introduced next month. The compensation will be fair and reasonable based on firearm type, average prices and the age of firearms.

11. What is the cost of the buyback likely to be?

That is very difficult to judge, given the limited information about the total number of firearms affected by this change. Preliminary advice suggests it could be in the range of $100m-$200m. The buyback will ensure these weapons are taken out of circulation and that we fulfil our obligations under the law.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:07 PM
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Brutal.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:09 PM
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The liberals will copy and paste NZs plzn minus the buy back.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:48 PM
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:26 PM
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I’ve said it 1000x.....registration leads to confiscation.....ALWAYS!!
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:36 PM
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I am afraid that the Semis we grew up with will soon be outlawed.

Unfortunate but inevitable I am afraid
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I like an article I read saying New Zealand has approximately 1.5 million firearms of which only 15000 are semi autos. That’s 0.001%. I wish my odds at the lottery were that good!
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I like an article I read saying New Zealand has approximately 1.5 million firearms of which only 15000 are semi autos. That’s 0.001%. I wish my odds at the lottery were that good!
Not sure where you’re going with that but....that’s 1%,just sayn
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:33 AM
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You can bet that Trudope and Good for Nothing and the Minister of Nothing will be chomping to enact this themselves in this country, C71 will get passed, and it will happen. Any centrefire autoloader with a detachable mag will be transferred to a class 12 group, at the least, which one remains to be seen.. They most likely will be grandfathered, but, you never know what those loonies are thinking for sure. Central storage for restricted weapons in general or handguns only perhaps, is also a serious contender, if they have the time to get it passed thru Parliament and the Senate. IF the Libs get re-elected---there is no question both will happen.
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I checked out a NZ gun store website and noticed that while they do have some fun things (or did), they pay through the nose for them.

They had silencers, I saw a 20 round Sig pistol magazine, pistols with shorter barrels than we get, etc. The counterbalance was that things cost about double when the exchange is factored in.
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Evil will always find a way. And when unarmed victims cower in terror there is always time to reload.

Most of these gun control laws are no more effective than painting over rust.

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Thier PM is like ours I see.....should ban spoons too.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:26 AM
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Wow, that didn't take long.

Shows how fast this can happen, even in a democratic society.
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:34 AM
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The conspiracy nuts said this was part of the plan from the beginning....

It does make sense, an unarmed population is much easier to control or take over.
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:44 AM
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The conspiracy nuts said this was part of the plan from the beginning....

It does make sense, an unarmed population is much easier to control or take over.
Not so nutty after all!

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Old 03-21-2019, 09:58 AM
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We already have these laws / magazine restrictions:

Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):

· A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

· A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

Could the NZ owners not petition to prohibit standard capacity magazines and voluntarily pin their existing ones to 5 and then be in compliance with the new laws?
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:05 AM
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:06 AM
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So they didn't really ban all semi automatic firearms. I expect our government to introduce some type of similar legislation, but possibly even more extreme, as in more like Australia., and with no compensation to the owners.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:24 AM
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The old timer told me long ago that the day will come that all civilian population will not have access to firearms. Ha

None of know this since we haven't got there yet.

Oh well,,, enjoy what little freedoms we have before there gone.

Always more wrong then right you know.

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We already have these laws / magazine restrictions:

Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):

· A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

· A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

Could the NZ owners not petition to prohibit standard capacity magazines and voluntarily pin their existing ones to 5 and then be in compliance with the new laws?
I was thinking the same way. Pin the mags and you should be good to go. Just like ours restricted or the Soviet mil surplus SKS and SVT40....
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We already have these laws / magazine restrictions:

Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):

· A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

· A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

Could the NZ owners not petition to prohibit standard capacity magazines and voluntarily pin their existing ones to 5 and then be in compliance with the new laws?
No we don't. Their proposal is directed at firearms CAPABLE of being used with a detachable magazine. Our laws are directed at MAGAZINES.
Also their E class license requires proof of requirement to own the firearm.

If anything this very clearly demonstrates the danger of enabling legislation. C-71 very effectively sets us up for this type of knee jerk, poorly thought out blanket prohibition. Using order in council to avoid actually voting on legislation.
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It only took a few days to happen, the Kiwi gun forums are in shock

The real deal

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...html#LMS173647
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I am down in NZ right now, and also a NZ firearms owner,

This is pretty much, What I had expected, and better than I had hoped,

All sensible viable hunting long arms, have been left alone, as has pistol class,
we can still have our 10/22, BAR, Rem 740, and semi shotguns,

The big problem has been that an A class, M16 or slr or similar (non restricted) could be bought and was supposed to be limited to a 7 shot Mag (I think),
but E class (restricted long arms) magazine's, 20-30 round, could be bought with no controls.
E class users, (Mssa) also had far greater vetting, storage, and inspection, and compliance costs. plus registration .
The general mood, is there is no tolerance, for MSSA rifles period, or high capacity shotguns, I have heard this repeated many times, in the last week, While getting a haircut at the barbers, couple days ago, the conversation between about 17 people flowed this way,
Neither am I surprised by the rapid movement, on banning them, this is a different society, with less levels of government, and there was full support across all parties'

I not happy that one foreign *****, was allowed in, (police failure)No vetting and no calls to references, murdered more, than this country usual Annual murder number, in one day,
We were allowed cool toys, because we were responsible, and lost sum of them, because one was not.

Any how the sun is shining, I just had fresh snapper and salad for lunch, there's a fallow deer hanging, in the shed I shot yesterday, to go butcher, A chopper booked for Saturday morning, for a few days in the scrub, hunting Red deer and trout, life goes on.
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I am down in NZ right now, and also a NZ firearms owner,

This is pretty much, What I had expected, and better than I had hoped,

All sensible viable hunting long arms, have been left alone, as has pistol class,
we can still have our 10/22, BAR, Rem 740, and semi shotguns,

The big problem has been that an A class, M16 or slr or similar (non restricted) could be bought and was supposed to be limited to a 7 shot Mag (I think),
but E class (restricted long arms) magazine's, 20-30 round, could be bought with no controls.
E class users, (Mssa) also had far greater vetting, storage, and inspection, and compliance costs. plus registration .
The general mood, is there is no tolerance, for MSSA rifles period, or high capacity shotguns, I have heard this repeated many times, in the last week, While getting a haircut at the barbers, couple days ago, the conversation between about 17 people flowed this way,
Neither am I surprised by the rapid movement, on banning them, this is a different society, with less levels of government, and there was full support across all parties'

I not happy that one foreign *****, was allowed in, (police failure)No vetting and no calls to references, murdered more, than this country usual Annual murder number, in one day,
We were allowed cool toys, because we were responsible, and lost sum of them, because one was not.

Any how the sun is shining, I just had fresh snapper and salad for lunch, there's a fallow deer hanging, in the shed I shot yesterday, to go butcher, A chopper booked for Saturday morning, for a few days in the scrub, hunting Red deer and trout, life goes on.
SM
I like how the NZs and the people that vote these kinds of political parties in creates the environment for these kinds of situation to happen. And then wonders why it happened in the first place.

Like Oh geez, I wonder what will happen if I let these unvetted foreigners into the country. Oh? This unvetted foreigner killed a bunch of people? Better ban every gun from civilian hands.

News Flash, banning guns ain't gonna do nuthing. Gun free zone anyone?
Also, expecting crime to go up in the next couple of years in NZ.
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Sorry all. I’m a hunter, trapper, and sportsman....also an owner of a semi auto (.22 mind you). I’ve hunted big game, small game, and many in between. I’ve always questioned why the general public has access to high powered semi-autos. Especially those often used in mass shootings.
Taking away our rights you say? Roll the clock back to the days of “flint lock - make it good” days. That was a big advancement from the bow and arrow. It’s a new world.
Got to be honest. I like a world of “non assault rifles”, bump stock, and all that other stuff non hunting. Keep it to good old lever action, bolt action, and single shot rounds.
I fear the concept of give an inch and take a mile amongst the anti-gun folks, but these kind of things didn’t occur back when I took hunter training.
Ouch....bring on the nay sayers
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Then throw out your computer and go back to the pony express. While your at it git rid everything modern you own.
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Sorry all. I’m a hunter, trapper, and sportsman....also an owner of a semi auto (.22 mind you). I’ve hunted big game, small game, and many in between. I’ve always questioned why the general public has access to high powered semi-autos. Especially those often used in mass shootings.
Taking away our rights you say? Roll the clock back to the days of “flint lock - make it good” days. That was a big advancement from the bow and arrow. It’s a new world.
Got to be honest. I like a world of “non assault rifles”, bump stock, and all that other stuff non hunting. Keep it to good old lever action, bolt action, and single shot rounds.
I fear the concept of give an inch and take a mile amongst the anti-gun folks, but these kind of things didn’t occur back when I took hunter training.
Ouch....bring on the nay sayers
Well don't want to upset you but a stick with a rock lashed on it crushed in many skulls back in the day.....people are going to kill....hate is hate....ignorance runs amuck.
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Sorry all. I’m a hunter, trapper, and sportsman....also an owner of a semi auto (.22 mind you). I’ve hunted big game, small game, and many in between. I’ve always questioned why the general public has access to high powered semi-autos. Especially those often used in mass shootings.
Taking away our rights you say? Roll the clock back to the days of “flint lock - make it good” days. That was a big advancement from the bow and arrow. It’s a new world.
Got to be honest. I like a world of “non assault rifles”, bump stock, and all that other stuff non hunting. Keep it to good old lever action, bolt action, and single shot rounds.
I fear the concept of give an inch and take a mile amongst the anti-gun folks, but these kind of things didn’t occur back when I took hunter training.
Ouch....bring on the nay sayers
Yes yes yes,and while we’re at it,let’s ban crotch rockets and muscle cars,because nobody NEEDS a bike or car capable of exceeding double and triple the legal speed limit on any highway in Canuckistan .....fudd
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If you want to save lives, ban alcohol and tobacco, each kills far more people in the civilized world than firearms. Ban vehicles and aircraft as well, and save many more lives. As for assault rifles, they are already banned in Canada. If terrorists didn't have firearms, they could kill even more people with a can of gasoline and a match, by setting a church or school on fire when it is full of people. Or they could simply drive into a crowd of people leaving a church or a school with a vehicle. Instead of dealing with the criminals, our governments try and take away their access to firearms, and that obviously isn't working. Just look at the news, and it seems that every person arrested for assault or break and entry has a lengthy criminal record, and a firearms prohibition, and yet they are caught in possession of firearms. They get a stay at club fed, or a healing lodge, and they are out committing crimes again. And instead of trying terrorists for their crimes, we hand them money, because someone that did try to deal with them supposedly violated their rights. Even if you take the firearms away from legal firearms owners, the criminals will still have access to them, because the police can't stop the illegal firearms trade, in fact the police are a source for illegal firearms, when they leave them in their police vehicles to be stolen by criminals.
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The police can’t keep heroin out of max security prisons or weed out of elementary schools,nor untold TONNES of foreign produced cocaine and fentanyl off our streets...but we are supposed to believe they can keep guns out of criminal’s hands in a country with longest undefended border and longest coastline in the world,LMFAO! 😂🤣
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