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brendan's dad · #31 10-31-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by raab

He's probably the OP's neighbour! LOL

To the OP. This is why you don't buy in Strathcona county. It's a communist state where you literally can't do anything. No quadding/Snowmobiling, No shooting, No Sea Cans, No Pot Belly Pigs. Still can't believe they stole that kids pig. Beaver County is better in pretty much every respect. Actually the further you get away from the NDP stronghold, the better things seem to get. Will never move back there. Worse place in the province IMO.

Nope.

CaberTosser · #32 10-31-2018, 11:25 AM

This sounds like a good reason to legalize sound suppressors, also known as hearing safety devices. They would certainly limit disturbance of ones neighbors as well.

darren32 · #33 10-31-2018, 11:28 AM

WOW, the Strathcona county noise bylaw is really nasty.
And there is nowhere in the "does not apply to" that could remotely be applied to shooting.

Basically, you can't "cause a Noise within the County .... which in the opinion of a County Bylaw Enforcement Officer ...is likely to unreasonably annoy or disturb persons ". That's pretty incredible. Don't know how or why you would fight that. Only thing you could do is "apply for a permit"....

https://www.strathcona.ca/files/file...aw-bl66-99.pdf

Best of luck, keep us posted.

NCC · #34 10-31-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by antlercarver

Sorry for the hijack but to help improve you shooting. The picture of the youngster resting the gun barrel on the shooting rest totally defeats having a free floating barrel. Rest the forearm of the gun on the shooting rest.

^^ and this is why no one posts pictures anymore. A shooter who buys memberships at 4 ranges and spend north of $500 000 to purchase land to shoot on doesn't need marksmanship tips from the peanut gallery.

Back to the OP, I think you're SOL as far as shooting on your property. The actions taken by the CFO are out of line though, as this is a strictly a noise issue with the county and has nothing to do with the CFO. The CFO should lose his job if he is harassing you as a favour to his former coworker.

bobalong · #35 10-31-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Do you know more about this than what has been posted?

That guy is always keen on demeaning members on here with regard to hunting, shooting etc......he is not really long on the "knowing part"........best to ignore him.

To the OP I wish you luck but as already mentioned Strathcona county is not known for being "outdoor recreation" friendly at all. If I recall they hired more bylaw enforcement personnel a few years back to target snowmobile and ATV riders.

FQ2 · #36 10-31-2018, 12:23 PM

You had me kind of leaning your way, but like others have stated what do your neighbors say.

Then I saw your gofund me page

I'll pass.

Olds lost there gun range due too noise.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article579345/

mattj117 · #37 10-31-2018, 12:29 PM

Hi guys thanks for all the insight I know that Strathcona county is probably the worst place to buy (now) but I'm stuck here I actually get along with the neighbours except the people from the subdivision and it's not from lack of trying even before I started shooting out here I had issues of survey pegs being pulled and being accused of clearing onto their property I was working with the county mediator to resolve the issue of us shooting but apparently that wasn't good enough and they wanted me to stop shooting in general every time the RCMP came out I would give them my number to give to the neighbours complaining in hopes to work something out but I never got anything back as for the times I was shooting and how much it would always be in the evening and it's always been either shotguns or .22 as for how much I think at one point in time we had 2 cases of clays normally its only one and once in a while I'd check the zero on my hunting rifle

for the other side of the story if I could legally post the disclosure I would just so you guys can see how ridiculous these people are

And for me only having 4 posts I'm trying to get this out there and figured that forms would be a good place to start I've read lots of threads on here but never joined if you still have doubts I'm real or this is real I have court on November 14 @9:30 am at Sherwood park courthouse

I will try and keep everyone updated the best I can

raab · #38 10-31-2018, 12:56 PM

Good luck, have dealt with and seen others deal with the county and it never goes well. You'll be better off moving if you can. I still don't understand why they made me buy a license for a dog out on an acreage. It's sucks because they have the opportunity to be a very nice place to live.

brendan's dad · #39 10-31-2018, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobalong

That guy is always keen on demeaning members on here with regard to hunting, shooting etc......he is not really long on the "knowing part"........best to ignore him.

To the OP I wish you luck but as already mentioned Strathcona county is not known for being "outdoor recreation" friendly at all. If I recall they hired more bylaw enforcement personnel a few years back to target snowmobile and ATV riders.

Why don't you PM a couple of my posts that ever made demeaning comments about someone's shooting or hunting.

I called BS on the OP's claim that the CFO threatened him with Criminal charges. The CFO doesn't lay criminal charges, they only deal with the regulatory side. If Criminal charges were to be laid they would be by the RCMP. But by his own account the RCMP already confirmed to the OP his action were not illegal. So that leaves the noise bylaw.

I asked the OP about the 3 conditions added and there was no response. And if he has his disclosure, there is no legal ramifications for him to share that disclosure with anyone he chooses. In fact we can all go sit in the court room and hear it on November 14th. Also he has already disclosed the contents of a statement from an EPS officer, so which one is it.

rem338win · #40 10-31-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mattj117

yes technically you could get the same ticket but in the words of my lawyer "the bylaw makes an otherwise federally legal activity illegal" and "municipal law does not supersede federal law" also to note the bylaw states that any activity not specifically mentioned in the bylaw (shooting is not mentioned) shall be done as quiet as possible

Just because something is federally permissible doesn't mean provincial and municipal governments can't make legislation or bylaws that restrict it. See cannabis and driving laws.

If this is your lawyers defence then you need to fire them and find someone who actually knows our system and how it works.

Your best defense in this case is to confront the unreasonableness of the bylaw and the unreasonableness of their enforcement of the bylaw.

That said, I'm unlikely to support your cause without knowing more. As of right now there are holes in your story I cannot reconcile, and seemingly neither can you, for us.

260 Rem · #41 10-31-2018, 01:59 PM

I recall reading about the “issue” in one the SP Newspapers maybe a year ago. I dealt with what might have been a similar concern about the same time.
I reside on an acreage in Strathcona County that borders on a shooting exclusion zone. A non resident “neighbor” that owns a hundred acre parcel (also outside, but adjacent to the shooting exclusion zone), rented to a chap that is a shooter. Within a short period of time, it was not uncommon to hear a thousand shots on a Sunday afternoon and many of the neighbors in the subdivision (maybe 400M from the shooting) started to complain among themselves. Finally, on one of those thousand shot afternoons, when I had company over for a BBQ...I got fed up and went for a chat with the renter. He was sorry for the inconvenience, said he had friends that liked to shoot and they would scale it back. Next Sunday, he must have forgotten about that commitment, so I called the property owner who said he would shut it down... which he did. In my discussion with the property owner, I made clear that I was aware the shooting was “legal” and that I had no issue with hearing a few shots from time-to-time...but when it starts to sound like a gun range...it is beyond reasonable.
Being outside the exclusion zone and with property that exceeds the 200yd discharge restriction from an occupied building ... I can shoot. Fortunately, I have enough common sense to realize that if I started shooting on a regular basis, it would annoy the neighbors, so if I pull a trigger, it would be to dispatch a varmint/pest. Nobody has ever complained.
Clearly, the OP is tone deaf to the “politics” in his area related to noise and neighbors, and with the Strathcona Noise Bylaw, has a very limited chance of success.

Jamie · #42 10-31-2018, 02:37 PM

Ok, what am I missing? The Op is enjoying his own land in a safe and responsible manner? Why are so many on this thread hammering away at the idea of him shooting here?

bobtodrick · #43 10-31-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Ok, what am I missing? The Op is enjoying his own land in a safe and responsible manner? Why are so many on this thread hammering away at the idea of him shooting here?

Because with the tickets being issued there is some question as to whether he is enjoying his own land in the 'responsible' manner you speak of.
As has been mentioned...let's here the neighbors side...I kinda think it differs from the OP's...otherwise he wouldn't have the tickets.

brendan's dad · #44 10-31-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Ok, what am I missing? The Op is enjoying his own land in a safe and responsible manner? Why are so many on this thread hammering away at the idea of him shooting here?

If the OP own's sufficient lands to discharge his firearms in accordance with the criminal code, wildlife act, and firearms act, then I 100% agree that he should be able to enjoy his property by recreational shooting.

I only called BS on the CFO's alleged threat, the suggestion that the CFO is involved because of the EPS neighbor, and also the 3 new PAL conditions. If any of this was true, then the OP should have a much larger issue with the CFO then he does with 8 bylaw tickets.

260 Rem · #45 10-31-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Ok, what am I missing? The Op is enjoying his own land in a safe and responsible manner? Why are so many on this thread hammering away at the idea of him shooting here?

The issue is how his activities are affecting neighbors, in this case, noise. Rural living is no different than urban living. You can play RAP music as loud as you want inside your property but there are reasonable restrictions regarding letting it leak onto the space of neighbors. Same applies to raising hogs, smoke from fire pits, smell of pot... Now, change that music to country and western ... no problem, crank er up

mattthegorby · #46 10-31-2018, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

If the OP own's sufficient lands to discharge his firearms in accordance with the criminal code, wildlife act, and firearms act, then I 100% agree that he should be able to enjoy his property by recreational shooting.

I only called BS on the CFO's alleged threat, the suggestion that the CFO is involved because of the EPS neighbor, and also the 3 new PAL conditions. If any of this was true, then the OP should have a much larger issue with the CFO then he does with 8 bylaw tickets.

That is the part I find really surprising and would be the bigger issue. Not saying shady stuff does not happen in Canada, but the CFO is taking a huge professional risk doing this for a buddy with very little real gain.

What were the 3 conditions? I missed it if they were posted above.

trophybook · #47 10-31-2018, 05:47 PM

The rcmp use intimidation all the time so why wouldn't the cfo?

Bushrat · #48 10-31-2018, 05:58 PM

Anybody buying half a quarter within earshot of subdivisions, acreages, etc and expecting to shoot on it frequently obviously isn't in touch with the realities of society today.

Twisted Canuck · #49 10-31-2018, 06:04 PM

$80 donated on the GoFundMe page, of $20,000 requested. I'm surprised it's that high. It's a noise complaint. You are aggravating your neighbors. It's like the jerk who lives down the street with the chipped, straight piped Cummins who blasts through every morning at 5 AM, and again at 8 PM. He's a jerk. So people complained, he got tickets. If he starts a GoFundme page I suspect he won't get much sympathy. Except maybe from other inconsiderate jerks who like getting off by rattling windows with their Big worker Boy truck....

It's about being considerate and respectful, as opposed to entitled. You may have spent a bunch to have your own land and feel entitled to shoot. But your neighbors also spent a pile to live there, and apparently don't like your noise. The local bylaw favors them. You maybe should have bought land elsewhere. Hopefully you can sell it for a tidy profit, and go someplace where the nearest neighbor won't be bothered by you.

CBintheNorth · #50 10-31-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mattthegorby

What were the 3 conditions? I missed it if they were posted above.

You didn't miss it.

I'll wait to hear the other side of this one. Here's why...

We've had permission to hunt a 80 acre parcel in the bow zone for the last 20 years. It's a fairly populated area and the parcel only had about 10 acres of trees, but the deer and moose would come out of a quarter of bush and cross the 10 acre strip to a field.
The landowner asked that we park in his driveway and always wished us luck. A really great guy that I am proud to know.
About 4 years ago a real gem of a neighbor bought the parcel beside him and was a hunter himself. He didn't like sharing, so when he would see our trucks in the driveway he would head to the back corner, 1-200 yards from our stands and shoot his guns all evening. Hundreds of rounds.
Totally legal, but a total jerk wad.
If I complained and he got a ticket he'd deserve it.
Need the other side before I can back you, sorry.

Davey Boy · #51 10-31-2018, 08:18 PM

About 4 years ago a real gem of a neighbor bought the parcel beside him and was a hunter himself. He didn't like sharing, so when he would see our trucks in the driveway he would head to the back corner, 1-200 yards from our stands and shoot his guns all evening. Hundreds of rounds.
Totally legal, but a total jerk wad.

Could you not set it up so he could be charged with interfering with a legal hunt. Be interesting to see where he was shooting all that ammo. Maybe mention something to F&W so they could be there next time you hunt. They might, I say might be able to charge him with unlawfully interfering with a hunt.

mattj117 · #52 10-31-2018, 09:14 PM

hey guys finally found the paper with my conditions:

1-The transport of restricted firearms is authorized to and from a shooting range that has been approved under section 29(2) of the firearms act as indicated on your authorization to transport for the purpose of target practice and target shooting competition.
2-The restricted firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition at a range approved under the firearms act.
3-The holder shall not possess or consume alcohol or non-prescription drugs while handling, transporting or using firearms.

I believe he just did this as a scare tactic and are completely unnecessary as to my knowledge these conditions already exist.

as for the recording i am currently listening to the 100 minute conversation to find the part and i will post the recording (if i figure out how if not I may need some help) along with a transcript.

mattthegorby · #53 10-31-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by trophybook

The rcmp use intimidation all the time so why wouldn't the cfo?

I believe the CFO, like any other beurocratic position, will need to answer to any decisions they make that have a paper trail and they need to present a public face of being impartial to cover their butts and the collective butts of their department.

58thecat · #54 11-01-2018, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mattj117

hey guys finally found the paper with my conditions:

1-The transport of restricted firearms is authorized to and from a shooting range that has been approved under section 29(2) of the firearms act as indicated on your authorization to transport for the purpose of target practice and target shooting competition.
2-The restricted firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition at a range approved under the firearms act.
3-The holder shall not possess or consume alcohol or non-prescription drugs while handling, transporting or using firearms.

I believe he just did this as a scare tactic and are completely unnecessary as to my knowledge these conditions already exist

as for the recording i am currently listening to the 100 minute conversation to find the part and i will post the recording (if i figure out how if not I may need some help) along with a transcript.

Might be one on the forum....other than that it's just hot air.....

pikergolf · #55 11-01-2018, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

$80 donated on the GoFundMe page, of $20,000 requested. I'm surprised it's that high. It's a noise complaint. You are aggravating your neighbors. It's like the jerk who lives down the street with the chipped, straight piped Cummins who blasts through every morning at 5 AM, and again at 8 PM. He's a jerk. So people complained, he got tickets. If he starts a GoFundme page I suspect he won't get much sympathy. Except maybe from other inconsiderate jerks who like getting off by rattling windows with their Big worker Boy truck....

It's about being considerate and respectful, as opposed to entitled. You may have spent a bunch to have your own land and feel entitled to shoot. But your neighbors also spent a pile to live there, and apparently don't like your noise. The local bylaw favors them. You maybe should have bought land elsewhere. Hopefully you can sell it for a tidy profit, and go someplace where the nearest neighbor won't be bothered by you.

That pretty much covers it.

elkhunter11 · #56 11-01-2018, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mattj117

hey guys finally found the paper with my conditions:

1-The transport of restricted firearms is authorized to and from a shooting range that has been approved under section 29(2) of the firearms act as indicated on your authorization to transport for the purpose of target practice and target shooting competition.
2-The restricted firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition at a range approved under the firearms act.
3-The holder shall not possess or consume alcohol or non-prescription drugs while handling, transporting or using firearms.

I believe he just did this as a scare tactic and are completely unnecessary as to my knowledge these conditions already exist.

as for the recording i am currently listening to the 100 minute conversation to find the part and i will post the recording (if i figure out how if not I may need some help) along with a transcript.

After seeing those conditions, I have to ask, do you discharge or carry around loaded restricted firearms on your property? Do you consume alcohol while shooting on your property? The conditions seem to be conditions that apply to all firearms owners, and it shouldn't be necessary to specify them on a PAL.

mattthegorby · #57 11-01-2018, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mattj117

hey guys finally found the paper with my conditions:

1-The transport of restricted firearms is authorized to and from a shooting range that has been approved under section 29(2) of the firearms act as indicated on your authorization to transport for the purpose of target practice and target shooting competition.
2-The restricted firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition at a range approved under the firearms act.
3-The holder shall not possess or consume alcohol or non-prescription drugs while handling, transporting or using firearms.

I believe he just did this as a scare tactic and are completely unnecessary as to my knowledge these conditions already exist.

as for the recording i am currently listening to the 100 minute conversation to find the part and i will post the recording (if i figure out how if not I may need some help) along with a transcript.

Those are pretty strange conditions... makes we wonder if he had complaints about restricted weapon use and no evidence that this took place to charge you, so his action was to ensure that you knew what the standard restrictions were?

If you are being threatened with being charged with using restricted weapons on your property and you were not, that is pretty serious.

I would talk with a lawyer before posting any links to audio on the intergoogle... as well, us arm chair quarterbacks are likely to keep pushing you down rabbit holes we really do not know much about.

Good luck!

honda450 · #58 11-01-2018, 08:05 AM

Remember that part bout you have the right to remain silent. Take heed. I would not be posting anything on this forum bout your case.

But do what ya want.

CaberTosser · #59 11-01-2018, 09:17 AM

One wonders how much volume of shooting the OP does, is it fine-tuning his carefully crafted hand loaded ammo or going through half a case of 7.62 x 39 per session and inviting the boys over to do the same? The difference is in the details.

Trochu · #60 11-01-2018, 09:38 AM