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Old 11-17-2017, 10:14 AM
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Looks like they survey 56,000 households per year.

Canadian population is 36,290,000.
Roughly 4 people per household makes 9,072,500 households.
So they are surveying 0.6% of Canadians annually.

Anyone that took a stats class would know that the data from this kind of subset can hardly be extrapolated across the larger subset with any accuracy.

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Old 11-17-2017, 10:29 AM
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Threats of jail etc are just a tactic as it's a voluntary survey, tell them you will report them to the cops as technically, it is blackmail.

"The Labour Force Survey is authorized by paragraph 22 (h) - Labour and Employment. Section 8 permits the minister responsible for Statistics Canada to order that participation in a survey be on a voluntary basis. No such order has been signed for the Labour Force Survey, therefore, participation is mandatory.Sep 28, 2017
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https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/3701"
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:01 AM
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Okay...I'm just going to play the devils advocate.
We all like to complain that the 'goberment' isn't spending our money effectively...but then when they ask for our input it's a waste of our time
Now that is a way to throw cold water on a government bashing

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Old 11-17-2017, 11:27 AM
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Okay...I'm just going to play the devils advocate.
We all like to complain that the 'goberment' isn't spending our money effectively...but then when they ask for our input it's a waste of our time
It is a waste of our time usually because nobody is listening to us and nothing ever changes.....prime example is Alberta fisheries not listening to hundreds if not thousands of fisherman recomendations on how to manage our fisheries
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:39 AM
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It is a waste of our time usually because nobody is listening to us and nothing ever changes.....prime example is Alberta fisheries not listening to hundreds if not thousands of fisherman recomendations on how to manage our fisheries
Or they listened and didn't come up with the results YOU wanted??
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:45 AM
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Or they listened and didn't come up with the results YOU wanted??
Nope....Sorry but when was the last time our municipal, provincial or federal gov's listened to the majority and changed there stance?
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:23 PM
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Nope....Sorry but when was the last time our municipal, provincial or federal gov's listened to the majority and changed there stance?
Are you the majority?
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:28 PM
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Looks like they survey 56,000 households per year.

Canadian population is 36,290,000.
Roughly 4 people per household makes 9,072,500 households.
So they are surveying 0.6% of Canadians annually.

Anyone that took a stats class would know that the data from this kind of subset can hardly be extrapolated across the larger subset with any accuracy.

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Old 11-17-2017, 12:28 PM
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Nope....Sorry but when was the last time our municipal, provincial or federal gov's listened to the majority and changed there stance?
If you don't want to be involved in the process...you have no right to complain.
No different than the people who don't get off their butts to vote...then complain that their guy didn't get in.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:55 PM
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Okay...I'm just going to play the devils advocate.
We all like to complain that the 'goberment' isn't spending our money effectively...but then when they ask for our input it's a waste of our time
Trust me, if you knew the content of the questions, and the fact that they ask the exact same questions for six months in a row, and that they make you spend 15 minutes of my time and their's answering those exact same questions each month (like I said in my previous post, they won't accept "nothing has changed since last month"), pretty sure that you'd agree that it's a waste of time. An initial survey, and a follow up 6 months later would be more than sufficient.
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:13 PM
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Trust me, if you knew the content of the questions, and the fact that they ask the exact same questions for six months in a row, and that they make you spend 15 minutes of my time and their's answering those exact same questions each month (like I said in my previous post, they won't accept "nothing has changed since last month"), pretty sure that you'd agree that it's a waste of time. An initial survey, and a follow up 6 months later would be more than sufficient.
OMG...1.5 hours in six months...so, just what do you do with all that quality time you've saved by not answering the questions?
I'm thinking you spend more time in the Tim Horton's drive through.
Or let me guess...you spend at least 15 minutes a day on AO.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:38 PM
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OMG...1.5 hours in six months...so, just what do you do with all that quality time you've saved by not answering the questions?
I'm thinking you spend more time in the Tim Horton's drive through.
Or let me guess...you spend at least 15 minutes a day on AO.
Good to see that you're starting to understand there genius. That's 1.5 hours of MY time that they're wasting for a pointless, useless survey. If I choose to waste that time at tim's or on AO that's my business, not yours or the government's. That's also 1.5 hours of wasted government employee/contractor time that costs us all who-knows-how-much, times however many tens of thousands of times over. Is this making sense to you yet? I hope they call you next time around. Maybe with that one phone call a month to look forward to, you'll feel like you have a friend
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:02 PM
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Ya until you get phoned, and asked the stupid question's, you won't get it!! I went through it, until one day they asked me " if 780-000-0000" (example) was my phone number, I asked her "well what number she used?" and I hung up! They never phoned again!! Stupid!
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Old 11-17-2017, 07:36 PM
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Well they haven’t called back yet and the wife told me to let her deal with it. To me it’s just the fact that my information could be used as a way for the liberals to boast on how their plan is working, we are doing fabulous! Well I think they stink! and the middle class objective they are trying to achieve is failing. My family’s success and employment situation has nothing to do with the Liberal’s strategy when they were elected. I will do my best to prevent the Liberals cockamamie scheme to get reelected having said that. Those who did vote liberal did so to get marijuana legalized and that was it from my point of view. They are making a complete mochary of the election system and leaving a massive pile of debt on the way out the door, which I hope is the next federal election! And take Notley with ya!
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:32 AM
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Well they haven’t called back yet and the wife told me to let her deal with it. To me it’s just the fact that my information could be used as a way for the liberals to boast on how their plan is working, we are doing fabulous! Well I think they stink! and the middle class objective they are trying to achieve is failing. My family’s success and employment situation has nothing to do with the Liberal’s strategy when they were elected. I will do my best to prevent the Liberals cockamamie scheme to get reelected having said that. Those who did vote liberal did so to get marijuana legalized and that was it from my point of view. They are making a complete mochary of the election system and leaving a massive pile of debt on the way out the door, which I hope is the next federal election! And take Notley with ya!
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:47 PM
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Nope....Sorry but when was the last time our municipal, provincial or federal gov's listened to the majority and changed there stance?
Uhhh....Klein did it a number of times.
One of the things I liked about him. He'd float an idea, the voters would respond back that they didn't want it (the sterilization payout fiasco) and he'd kill the idea.
Unfortunately I'll admit we do now have a Premier who thinks she knows better than anyone in her province.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:37 PM
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Threats of jail etc are just a tactic as it's a voluntary survey, tell them you will report them to the cops as technically, it is blackmail.

"The Labour Force Survey is authorized by paragraph 22 (h) - Labour and Employment. Section 8 permits the minister responsible for Statistics Canada to order that participation in a survey be on a voluntary basis. No such order has been signed for the Labour Force Survey, therefore, participation is mandatory.Sep 28, 2017
Labour Force Survey - Statistics Canada
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/3701"
You need to read it again. That all states it's still mandatory. Not voluntary.
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