Education update, Masks now required in all schools

[1899b]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

I would like to keep my kids at home. I wish they would start up an online option of watching a teacher all day on the tv to do the lesson. And then meet up for gym with other classmates.
I know how quickly colds, bacteria and the like spreads though schools.

At this point I agree. If your kid is slightly ill which will happen, they will have to get tested. My other half has had two tests and the wait for the results were both over a week. How many parents can get off from work and stay home home with their kid for over a week while you wait for the test? I know of a few people that have waited almost two weeks lately and some are blaming it on the NHL in Edmonton using up lab time.

Buckle up for a not so fun school year and some added stress to parents....

[Husty]

Id guess part of the divide on this issue is rural vs urban folks. I was in Calgary when Covid first started, not enjoyable for me, actually seemed like covid was a big deal. Moved to a town of 1000 in rural Sask for summer work.. Business as usual here.

Its just a piece of fabric over the mouth my dudes. Not an attack on your personal freedom. Welcome to 2020 and the new norm for the foreseable future.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Sorry forgot this quote too:

MountainTi "They say the virus can enter the eyes as well as the mouth or nasal passage. Those that believe in the masks should also be wearing goggles if they truly want to protect themselves. Be crazy not to."



So do you shed covid through the eyes? Does it become airborne when you blink?

Wow, you truly don't understand how this virus spreads, do you?
Or any of them, for that matter.

I now understand why so many people just do as they're told.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Wow, you truly don't understand how this virus spreads, do you?
Or any of them, for that matter.

I now understand why so many people just do as they're told.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Thats funny, clearly was sarcastic, but it also clearly shows you dont get the point of those questions or masks. LOL



And not sure why you had to be insulting about it? My guess is it hurt you, challenging your knowledge. lol

[58thecat]

ohhh hey look a forum squabble...whodathunk.




end of the day the teachers and their union (?) will put a plan in place to minimize this covid crap spread (good luck) and adjust from there.....ohhh and I know after the fact most will have known better what to do cuz its easier to say what should have been done after the fact....crappy situation to be in for teachers, students and parents of the students....

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

ohhh hey look a forum squabble...whodathunk.




end of the day the teachers and their union (?) will put a plan in place to minimize this covid crap spread (good luck) and adjust from there.....ohhh and I know after the fact most will have known better what to do cuz its easier to say what should have been done after the fact....crappy situation to be in for teachers, students and parents of the students....

I predict a closer part way through the year

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Thats funny, clearly was sarcastic, but it also clearly shows you dont get the point of those questions or masks. LOL



And not sure why you had to be insulting about it? My guess is it hurt you, challenging your knowledge. lol

Actually he had a valid point, as did I. Your sarcasm showed that you think goggles are a joke.

There was nothing insulting in my post. You have displayed very little knowledge on the topic, and I pointed it out.

Now you're attempting to deflect and passively insult me.
Better luck next time.

Truth be told, I'm by far an expert on this virus, but I'm fortunate enough to be closely connected to a couple of professionals that do have a great deal of knowledge on it, and I get my info directly from them.
So as far as challenging my knowledge goes....please do. I would love to share what I've learned.
But if you're going to dismiss valid arguements with sarcasm, expect to be called on it.

[sns2]

A few of you need to cool your jets or you are gonna be on the sidelines for a while. Grow up.

[Map Maker]

Originally Posted by raab

I would suggest that if children did indeed cause transmission it would be known by now. Even though its plausible kids may spread the virus, the data shows they are not major contributors to the spread and pose little risk to the community at large.

Check out the Wall Street Journal today.Major article on kids can get infected and are a major driver of transmission.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Check out the Wall Street Journal today.Major article on kids can get infected and are a major driver of transmission.

Of course they are, just like is going to happen here.
My children's school sent a newsletter telling us that all kids in all grades will be required to wear masks with very few exceptions.
My kids will be in grades 2 and 3.
God help them all.
If the teacher's are successful in keeping masks on those litter buggers and keeping them from doing stupid stuff, it'll be at the expense of an education.
I can honestly see the poor instructors spending more than half of their day telling little Johnny to put his mask back on, or little Sarah to quit picking her nose and wash her hands for the millionth time. AND do it all while wearing a mask, visor, and sanitizer bottle in a hip holster.

If they bring home Covid I won't be shocked.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Check out the Wall Street Journal today.Major article on kids can get infected and are a major driver of transmission.

The article offers no evidence to show that kids spread the disease. It just went on at length about mask usage. Which in adults I agree reduces the spread in tight spaces. In saying that all the data is pointing to Covid being the biggest overreaction in history.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Of course they are, just like is going to happen here.
My children's school sent a newsletter telling us that all kids in all grades will be required to wear masks with very few exceptions.
My kids will be in grades 2 and 3.
God help them all.
If the teacher's are successful in keeping masks on those litter buggers and keeping them from doing stupid stuff, it'll be at the expense of an education.
I can honestly see the poor instructors spending more than half of their day telling little Johnny to put his mask back on, or little Sarah to quit picking her nose and wash her hands for the millionth time. AND do it all while wearing a mask, visor, and sanitizer bottle in a hip holster.

If they bring home Covid I won't be shocked.

I would be shocked if they bring it home, have a look at the statistics for kids under 10 catching the disease. The fact is most people beat the disease without getting sick, or their body having a major reaction to it.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by raab

I would be shocked if they bring it home, have a look at the statistics for kids under 10 catching the disease. The fact is most people beat the disease without getting sick, or their body having a major reaction to it.

Oh I'm not worried about any of us contracting the virus, I just said I won't be shocked if they bring it home.
No matter how much teachers will try, those little germ spreaders will best them.
In my own opinion it seems futile to even try.
There are instructors that may be vulnerable, they should be the ones doing online lessons.
And no different than at the start, we need to be extra cautious around the elderly and vulnerable.
The rest of us need to get on with a normal life.

The media needs a new story.

[CMichaud]

Originally Posted by raab

I would be shocked if they bring it home, have a look at the statistics for kids under 10 catching the disease. The fact is most people beat the disease without getting sick, or their body having a major reaction to it.

What is your logic/stats you refer to? Not trying to be confrontational but am genuinely curious as I have kids aged 13 and 8.

I was looking at Alberta's testing stats. Only 10% of our testing has been conducted on youth between 5-19.

The same age group of 5-19 that has contacted Covid and represents 12% of the COVID-19 cases in Alberta.

My suspicion is that kids will catch and transfer the virus just like every other age group. I suspect that their age will likely manifest as fewer severe complications and more asymptomatic carriers thus potentially a lower detection rate?

[jungleboy]

I keep seeing these signs around town saying “ be safe , we’re all in this together” but clearly that is a tongue in cheek statement. Most of us are in this thing together, but it seems quite a few are happy to stick their heads where the sun doesn’t shine and pretend it can’t affect them, so screw the rest of the community.
If you think kids can’t contract and spread this virus, you’re living in a dream world. Kids catch and spread every bug that goes through town, why would this be any different?
That was a rhetorical question by the way. This isn’t different, kids will get this and they will spread it, we just have to give them the opportunity.

[nimrod]

Its just hope the teachers tell the kids to wash there hands, every 5 min, to keep the covid transfer down,

[Smoky buck]

Kids will definitely help pass Covid19 around just like any other human

Yes reasonable precautions and steps are needed to limit risk. We may not all agree on the level that is needed though

But people need to start being realistic we cannot put life on pause and live in bubbles for years till this passes or a vaccine is created. We cannot continue to damage future generations by holding them back We are damaging their growth socially and education wise with earlier closures

We preform many dangerous possibly life threatening tasks to function as a society

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Kids will definitely help pass Covid19 around just like any other human

Yes reasonable precautions and steps are needed to limit risk. We may not all agree on the level that is needed though

But people need to start being realistic we cannot put life on pause and live in bubbles for years till this passes or a vaccine is created. We cannot continue to damage future generations by holding them back We are damaging their growth socially and education wise with earlier closures

We preform many dangerous possibly life threatening tasks to function as a society

This ^^^^ is the beginning and the end. The rest is all BS. Life must go on.

BTW, I'm a teacher. And according to some of you a Socialist.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by sns2

This ^^^^ is the beginning and the end. The rest is all BS. Life must go on.

BTW, I'm a teacher. And according to some of you a Socialist.

You seem to have common sense so I will try not to hold the fact you a teacher and Socialist against you

[raab]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

I keep seeing these signs around town saying “ be safe , we’re all in this together” but clearly that is a tongue in cheek statement. Most of us are in this thing together, but it seems quite a few are happy to stick their heads where the sun doesn’t shine and pretend it can’t affect them, so screw the rest of the community.
If you think kids can’t contract and spread this virus, you’re living in a dream world. Kids catch and spread every bug that goes through town, why would this be any different?
That was a rhetorical question by the way. This isn’t different, kids will get this and they will spread it, we just have to give them the opportunity.

The fact is theres no scientific literature showing transmission in kids.

[CMichaud]

Originally Posted by raab

The fact is theres no scientific literature showing transmission in kids.

OK -but is there scientific literature showing no transmission in kids?

Some discussions here

https://nationalpost.com/news/covid-...-will-they-get

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/public...9-transmission

The latter link provides an executive summary which indicates:

When symptomatic, children shed virus in similar quantities to adults and can infect others in a similar way to adults. It is unknown how infectious asymptomatic children are.

[Rvsask]

There is plenty of literature showing transmission in children. Just because you want something to be true does not make it so.

I’m like sns2 , a teacher and a socialist according to some. I’m ready to go back to work, ready for my kids to go back to school. We need to, but precautions aren’t all bad.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

What is your logic/stats you refer to? Not trying to be confrontational but am genuinely curious as I have kids aged 13 and 8.

I was looking at Alberta's testing stats. Only 10% of our testing has been conducted on youth between 5-19.

The same age group of 5-19 that has contacted Covid and represents 12% of the COVID-19 cases in Alberta.

My suspicion is that kids will catch and transfer the virus just like every other age group. I suspect that their age will likely manifest as fewer severe complications and more asymptomatic carriers thus potentially a lower detection rate?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...?resultClick=1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7326438/
https://pediatrics.aappublications.o.../2/e2020004879

The reports would suggest that if your child is going to get infected, it'll come from you or another adult living in your household.

In saying that I suspect that healthy children, like most healthy adults have partial immunity due to prior viral infection. The T cells in these individuals activate and clear the infection before the person even gets sick. The data suggests this is the case. This is the reason I went to calculating cases based on total population.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

OK -but is there scientific literature showing no transmission in kids?

Some discussions here

https://nationalpost.com/news/covid-...-will-they-get

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/public...9-transmission

The latter link provides an executive summary which indicates:

When symptomatic, children shed virus in similar quantities to adults and can infect others in a similar way to adults. It is unknown how infectious asymptomatic children are.

It's like you stopped reading from the ECDC article. "Investigations of cases identified in school settings suggest that child to child transmission in schools is uncommon and not the primary cause of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children whose onset of infection coincides with the period during which they are attending school, particularly in preschools and primary schools."

[pikergolf]

Hmmm..... Turns out masks do work, some better than others, cloth masks working surprisingly well.

https://nationalpost.com/health/flee...-96c6f556fa5d/

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by raab

The fact is theres no scientific literature showing transmission in kids.

You don’t need to be a scientist to figure out that kids are just as capable of catching and spreading any virus an adult can. If that is a mystery to you,
I have two questions for you.
1. is it dark in there and 2. does your back hurt?

I am not by the way ,suggesting we keep things in lockdown re school.I am saying take the precautions like wearing a mask seriously and get with the program. Think of it as an opportunity to teach our kids that it’s not all about one person , them or you but the community as a whole.

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by sns2

This ^^^^ is the beginning and the end. The rest is all BS. Life must go on.

BTW, I'm a teacher. And according to some of you a Socialist.

I'm guessing more "sociable" and pragmatic than "socialist".

[sns2]

I have always been fascinated with Communism and Russia, but alas I am a conservative with a soft heart. Here's a bit of proof



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[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

It's like you stopped reading from the ECDC article. "Investigations of cases identified in school settings suggest that child to child transmission in schools is uncommon and not the primary cause of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children whose onset of infection coincides with the period during which they are attending school, particularly in preschools and primary schools."

Child to child transmission is uncommon because children have not been in school since the pandemic started. That changes September and by October/November the data will look much different.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Child to child transmission is uncommon because children have not been in school since the pandemic started. That changes September and by October/November the data will look much different.

Several countries went back to school and saw little to no change on the infection rate as a whole. Its amazing how data actually shows that young kids don't spread the disease.

Now if you want to make the argument high schoolers should have to wear a mask, I have no problem with that, as the data shows they could potentially spread the disease.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...249-2/fulltext