Lethal injection site in Lethbridge?

[Stustage]

Originally Posted by wwbirds View Post
The reason we have safe injection sites is because we are caring society that doesnt throw people away that may not have had the same opportunities as others. That can be in the form of a food bank, Unemployment insurance, pensions health care etc etc etc.
We do the same for others who may have made mistakes in their choices or just have entered into circumstances unintentionally as single moms, emotional counselling, ptsd etc. Many people need help and as a society that can help we should. I have known of 2 addicts who kicked the habits and became contributing members of society despite getting involved in the wrong things when young and foolish. Hey I did some things that I dont want my kids to ever do and survived. The mother of one of those addicts cried each time she talked about her young sons early experiences with drugs and the law until she passed away in 2010. Look at the treatment in Europe where they have had safe injection sites and free drugs for 30 years and the addiction rate has steadily declined along with the associated crimes. In a wealthy society where so much is wasted lets never get so harsh that we are willing to throw away lives. As it has already been said despite addiction, disability or bad luck it is someones brother, daughter son or sister. You can't fix them after they are dead.

well said.

[wildbill]

February 28 2018, Lethbridge will be the first city North America to have a safe consumption site, you wanna, whack it, snort it, smoke and inhale yer stuff? Come on down to our million dollar site and we’ll party like it’s 1999! BYOJ (bring yer own junk!) I think I have lost complete faith in society, this site is a complete cop out from our government, they should ramping up enforcement, rehabilitation programs, but no, let’s just lay on the ground and, admit defeat! Is this how we won WW2? By laying down and dying? Maybe Canada should be giving all this terrorist free handout money to LE instead, seems like the only people in our society who get a break are useless pieces of garbage, the biggest leak in the payroll in country is Trutard the village idiot. Selfish the clown is the root of all evil in this country, he normalizes terrorists, and says we are racist because we don’t want to give millions and millions to muderers, for mudering! They ain’t a recovery program out there that “ hey you know how to get clean and sober? By continuing to use!” Sounds stupid don’t it? That’s because it is!!

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Yep. Always easier when it's strangers. Had a close family member that lived on the streets due to alcohol addiction, that's where he died.

Stare into the face of a close family member that's dealing with addiction, and your minds will change.

Yep. I've been there. Going through it with another right now.

I hate the way they've been coddled. To death.

Addicts that really want to beat it do with help. I don't believe they can do it alone.

The majority don't. They say they do but they don't.

The attitude at the safe injections sites I've interacted with, well, they arent going to help anyone beat dope.

I've got experience on both sides of the fence and this is still my opinion. We waste way too much money trying to force people to do what they really don't want.

[Newview01]

I have come to the conclusion that there is no win in this particular arena.

LPS has said that the safe injection site will make little difference on day to day occurrences in Lethbridge.

However, why are we assisting an illegal activity?

[Joe Quiroga]

https://ibb.co/ndAEcc

This is what the truck looked like after my brother was hit by a drunk driver in Lethbridge. My sister some time later was Tboned by someone who ran a stop sign. Left her back all messed up and she had tears in her abdomen.

In both cases they were basically given a limitless supply of percacets that came in a pill bottle size I never even knew existed. Closest thing I could use to describe it would be a small travel mug size.

My sister was fortunate, being a little bit of a hippy and home remedy nut. She pursued a more natural path via marijuana and spirituality.

My brother on the other hand went on to abuse fentanyl after the pain meds, amd so heavily he was left at one point in the hospital with 30% functionality in his kidneys. My other brother's spouse worked in healthcare and would see him pop up from time to time to pick up more nalaxone injections.

A nalaxone injection is used to basically shut down the effect of opioids when overdose is in effect. A few times he would reach out to my brother for assistance and in the process he would begin to have withdrawals and would go shoot up in the bathrooms at truck stops. He is pretty much homeless now, a former rigger. Scraping by jumping from place to place stealing from anyone he can to support his habit.

I myself am quite glad he would potentially have a relatively safe place to go where he would have access to clean equipment and potentially life saving drugs in case of overdose.

If the system has failed anyone it's failed people like my brother. Where's the outcry for the hospitals, doctors and drug companies giving people access to bucket fulls of painkillers without monitoring them and giving them the tools they need to get off of them and move on with their lives?

It's ridiculous.

[calgarychef]

I'm not sure if I agree with the here sites or not but here's something I do know:

When I go metal detecting which I do a lot I notice that any playground with a big enough bush beside it will be full of "junkies junk" including needles. I've found needles within 10 yards of a tot lot. That ain't cool.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

I'm not sure if I agree with the here sites or not but here's something I do know:

When I go metal detecting which I do a lot I notice that any playground with a big enough bush beside it will be full of "junkies junk" including needles. I've found needles within 10 yards of a tot lot. That ain't cool.

And we've quietly had safe injection sites in Calgary for some time. Weird that problem still exists.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by wildbill

This is one thing I thought I'd never see in Lethbridge, what a disappointment, why enforce the law? Lets pay for a nice warm building to shoot junk in! This is unfathomable to me, like really, when did it come this? I agree with giving people in recovery all the help they need, but paying for a place for people to get high in? What is happening to our society? Seems stupid decisions are a plague this day and age.

Yeah im not to happy with it at all. What really bugs me is the fact that we tell kids drugs are terrible and you should never do them... But if you happen to here's a nice warm place where the cops won't arrest you and you get nurses in case you od.
Face it if you give a junkie money you might kill him and I don't think this is anybetter. The tiny amount of validation that might be gained by having a place where your looked after while you shoot up is probably going to keep a lot more people down.

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by buschy03

Exactly!!,,, why in the hell should I have to pay my taxes to pay for crap like this, and don't give me this society BS about, how about if it was you??,, I could of been me, but I have some pride and self worth, and know what is right and wrong from day one. And guess what??,, we can't solve everyone's problems, or keep everyone happy, people are going to fall through the cracks, it's sad, but this is what happens, get used to it and quite bitching

You're absolutely correct, it could have been you since addiction isn't particular of who it affects. Knowing the difference between right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with addiction. Self pride and self worth has absolutely nothing to do with addiction. Even though people have their heads in the sand about addiction, it's a disease that can strike anyone from anyone walk of life at any time. It's more complex than what many of you think. No addict wakes up one day and says to themselves that they're going to become an addict.

Originally Posted by wwbirds

The reason we have safe injection sites is because we are caring society that doesnt throw people away that may not have had the same opportunities as others. That can be in the form of a food bank, Unemployment insurance, pensions health care etc etc etc.
We do the same for others who may have made mistakes in their choices or just have entered into circumstances unintentionally as single moms, emotional counselling, ptsd etc. Many people need help and as a society that can help we should. I have known of 2 addicts who kicked the habits and became contributing members of society despite getting involved in the wrong things when young and foolish. Hey I did some things that I dont want my kids to ever do and survived. The mother of one of those addicts cried each time she talked about her young sons early experiences with drugs and the law until she passed away in 2010. Look at the treatment in Europe where they have had safe injection sites and free drugs for 30 years and the addiction rate has steadily declined along with the associated crimes. In a wealthy society where so much is wasted lets never get so harsh that we are willing to throw away lives. As it has already been said despite addiction, disability or bad luck it is someones brother, daughter son or sister. You can't fix them after they are dead.

Well said!

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by Sporty

You're absolutely correct, it could have been you since addiction isn't particular of who it affects. Knowing the difference between right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with addiction. Self pride and self worth has absolutely nothing to do with addiction. Even though people have their heads in the sand about addiction, it's a disease that can strike anyone from anyone walk of life at any time. It's more complex than what many of you think. No addict wakes up one day and says to themselves that they're going to become an addict.



Well said!

So how does this disease strike then? Your telling me most of this is not self inflicted? I'm sure glad the disease didn't grab me when I said NO to drugs..

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

So how does this disease strike then? Your telling me most of this is not self inflicted? I'm sure glad the disease didn't grab me when I said NO to drugs..

An addition could start as something as simple as hurting your back at work actually. Addiction isn't as black and white as not having any self control. No personal offense intended, but you're simplifying a serious social problem that can involve anything from being prescribed pain killers because you hurt yourself at work, to serious mental issues.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by Scott N

An addition could start as something as simple as hurting your back at work actually. Addiction isn't as black and white as not having any self control. No personal offense intended, but you're simplifying a serious social problem that can involve anything from being prescribed pain killers because you hurt yourself at work, to serious mental issues.

True, you forgot to mention the down right losers who started with weed, then heavier and heavier, and now we are paying for them. If only it was screened that you were a worker and got hooked through prescription pills, fine then I wouldn't mind actually helping them, but if you were being reckless and got addicted that's your problem.

[madshawn]

Compassion motivates people to go out of their way to help the physical, mental or emotional pains of another and themselves. Compassion is often regarded as having sensitivity, an emotional aspect to suffering, though when based on cerebral notions such as fairness, justice, and interdependence, it may be considered rational in nature and its application understood as an activity also based on sound judgment. There is also an aspect of equal dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth", "vigour", or "passion". The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." Compassion involves "feeling for another" and is a precursor to empathy, the "feeling as another" capacity for better person centered acts of active compassion; in common parlance active compassion is the desire to alleviate another's suffering. (wiki)

Some of us understand the pain and suffering of drug and alcohol addiction, some of us don't.

As a Canadian I was brought up to have compassion for my fellow people. Yes some people took the needle and made some bad choices but that that doesn't mean we should all turn our back on them.

When I see a drug addict I have compassion, I think more people need to do the same. Who among us have not made bad choices in life? Who among us have smoked pot when we were younger. Some of us may have tried cocaine too. For those of you who have and have not become an addict you are in the majority. There is no secret that the vast majority of drug addicts didn't start with Heroin. It was a slippery slope that many of us have started on and got off before it became a problem. These people have a disease. It's an ugly disease. It doesn't look like Alzheimer's or Diabetes but is a disease nonetheless. As a society do we not have a goal to serve, protect, and nourish our members?

Perhaps a safe injection site is too hard for some of us to comprehend. I will say this though; I have seen our government, both Liberal and Conservative spend far more money on far worse idea's than a safe injection site.

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

True, you forgot to mention the down right losers who started with weed, then heavier and heavier, and now we are paying for them. If only it was screened that you were a worker and got hooked through prescription pills, fine then I wouldn't mind actually helping them, but if you were being reckless and got addicted that's your problem.

I think it's safe to say, that alcohol is by far the most common addiction, and the true "gateway" drug. Addiction is about a lot more than being reckless, and I'm afraid "weed" isn't the problem in society that you think it is.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by madshawn

Compassion motivates people to go out of their way to help the physical, mental or emotional pains of another and themselves. Compassion is often regarded as having sensitivity, an emotional aspect to suffering, though when based on cerebral notions such as fairness, justice, and interdependence, it may be considered rational in nature and its application understood as an activity also based on sound judgment. There is also an aspect of equal dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth", "vigour", or "passion". The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." Compassion involves "feeling for another" and is a precursor to empathy, the "feeling as another" capacity for better person centered acts of active compassion; in common parlance active compassion is the desire to alleviate another's suffering. (wiki)

Some of us understand the pain and suffering of drug and alcohol addiction, some of us don't.

As a Canadian I was brought up to have compassion for my fellow people. Yes some people took the needle and made some bad choices but that that doesn't mean we should all turn our back on them.

When I see a drug addict I have compassion, I think more people need to do the same. Who among us have not made bad choices in life? Who among us have smoked pot when we were younger. Some of us may have tried cocaine too. For those of you who have and have not become an addict you are in the majority. There is no secret that the vast majority of drug addicts didn't start with Heroin. It was a slippery slope that many of us have started on and got off before it became a problem. These people have a disease. It's an ugly disease. It doesn't look like Alzheimer's or Diabetes but is a disease nonetheless. As a society do we not have a goal to serve, protect, and nourish our members?

Perhaps a safe injection site is too hard for some of us to comprehend. I will say this though; I have seen our government, both Liberal and Conservative spend far more money on far worse idea's than a safe injection site.

Well maybe we should start having compassion for all the sick children in hospitals who didn't have a choice, they just got a disease. We charge adults for diabetic needles and give junkies free ones.

[madshawn]

I do, why would you automatically assume I don't? Why so much prejudice

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

Well maybe we should start having compassion for all the sick children in hospitals who didn't have a choice, they just got a disease. We charge adults for diabetic needles and give junkies free ones.

You can't really think that sick kids in hospitals are lacking compassion, can you? From their own families to the support groups to private donations in the millions... It's not one or the other... we live in a compassionate society, like it or not.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by Scott N

You can't really think that sick kids in hospitals are lacking compassion, can you? From their own families to the support groups to private donations in the millions... It's not one or the other... we live in a compassionate society, like it or not.

Compassion.... Oh yes the smiles and the teddy bears they get yes, but I think they could be funded a lot more and should be first priority. Yes you said it private groups while the governments stands back and pumps money for druggies. Same as the diabetic adult, they make him pay for a needle but give free ones to junkies....

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

Compassion.... Oh yes the smiles and the teddy bears they get yes, but I think they could be funded a lot more and should be first priority. Yes you said it private groups while the governments stands back and pumps money for druggies. Same as the diabetic adult, they make him pay for a needle but give free ones to junkies....

What do you think the true purpose of safe injection sites are, to waste your personal tax dollars while penalizing other groups, just to be spiteful?

[madshawn]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

Compassion.... Oh yes the smiles and the teddy bears they get yes, but I think they could be funded a lot more and should be first priority. Yes you said it private groups while the governments stands back and pumps money for druggies. Same as the diabetic adult, they make him pay for a needle but give free ones to junkies....

Now, I don't want to take away anything from people who suffer diabetes. Its a very unfortunate and terrible disease but I am curious.

Do you believe everyone with diabetes should be given free needles? How about someone with Type 2 Diabetes that have been a result of obesity and lack of exercise?

Am I correct to assume that regardless of how the individual became diabetic they should be covered and given free needles? Even if that said person became diabetic because he abused his body by over eating sugary drinks and food saturated fats? Almost like a drug addict abusing their body?

It's almost sounds there is a certain stigma related to people with drug addiction.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by Scott N

What do you think the true purpose of safe injection sites are, to waste your personal tax dollars while penalizing other groups, just to be spiteful?

There are no purpose for sites. Tell me by giving clean needles out, how is that curing a drug addiction?

[madshawn]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

There are no purpose for sites. Tell me by giving clean needles out, how is that curing a drug addiction?

These safe injection sites aren't created to cure drug addiction. Do some research first maybe

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by madshawn

Now, I don't want to take away anything from people who suffer diabetes. Its a very unfortunate and terrible disease but I am curious.

Do you believe everyone with diabetes should be given free needles? How about someone with Type 2 Diabetes that have been a result of obesity and lack of exercise?

Am I correct to assume that regardless of how the individual became diabetic they should be covered and given free needles? Even if that said person became diabetic because he abused his body by over eating sugary drinks and food saturated fats? Almost like a drug addict abusing their body?

It's almost sounds there is a certain stigma related to people with drug addiction.

We'll guess what!!, people with diabeties still hold jobs, how many employers are willing to go down to these injection sites and hire druggies...

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

There are no purpose for sites. Tell me by giving clean needles out, how is that curing a drug addiction?

It's to help prevent people from dying, and / or spreading disease, not to "cure" addiction.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by madshawn

These safe injection sites aren't created to cure drug addiction. Do some research first maybe

Hmmm

[madshawn]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

We'll guess what!!, people with diabeties still hold jobs, how many employers are willing to go down to these injection sites and hire druggies...

In case you didn't know, there are many people with drug addictions holding down jobs. Have you ever worked in the oil patch? I have, there are a lot of people who are drug addicts working on drilling rigs holding down a job. It's not just the oil patch either, its everywhere. Try and keep an open mind

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by madshawn

In case you didn't know, there are many people with drug addictions holding down jobs. Have you ever worked in the oil patch? I have, there are a lot of people who are drug addicts working on drilling rigs holding down a job. It's not just the oil patch either, its everywhere. Try and keep an open mind

Hastings street has a lot of employed. I am willing to bet the oil boys buy their own stuff, but maybe not.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

If they overdose and die...doesn't cost us anything.
Look up 'Darwinism'.

:126fs22 77341:

[cody c]

Originally Posted by wildbill

This is one thing I thought I'd never see in Lethbridge, what a disappointment, why enforce the law? Lets pay for a nice warm building to shoot junk in! This is unfathomable to me, like really, when did it come this? I agree with giving people in recovery all the help they need, but paying for a place for people to get high in? What is happening to our society? Seems stupid decisions are a plague this day and age.

It's so your kids arent stepping on needles in the park.

Have a look at this if it doesn't threaten your need for hatred so much:

http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/rat-park/

[rem338win]

Koolaid? Anybody seen the Koolaid?......