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Cold Lake = 3 Walleye limit, no tags. Go get em. Stop complaining. Lots of fish in this province and plenty of lakes to keep fish from. They just shut down commercial net fishing in the last year. In a few years I've got my fingers crossed that they might allow more retention. Who knows though. I kind of enjoy going to catch and release lakes where you can catch plenty 6-8 pound walleye. No matter what they do someone will complain.
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Well they did get one thing right recently......any guesses?
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Cold Lake = 3 Walleye limit, no tags. Go get em. Stop complaining. Lots of fish in this province and plenty of lakes to keep fish from. They just shut down commercial net fishing in the last year. In a few years I've got my fingers crossed that they might allow more retention. Who knows though. I kind of enjoy going to catch and release lakes where you can catch plenty 6-8 pound walleye. No matter what they do someone will complain.
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My point exactly. 3 walleye in cold lake. Why are you complaining about decades of mismanagement, just go to cold lake and keep them, for now.... Things are working fine for the way I fish, why are you complaining? Everyone should be happy with the way I like things.
Once again, this isn't about me, it's about the incompetent management program currently going on in Alberta, and the fact they think it's working! How much money from our provincial fishing license program do you think goes towards our provincial fish management?
Hopefully (fingers crossed) in the next couple years magic will happen and prohibition will start working rather than proper management.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul has never worked as a long term solution, what makes you think it will work now?
Fyi, 10yrs ago at calling catching 20-30 walleye 8-12lbs in a day was common. Once calling lake became one of the only lakes in northern Alberta you could retain walleye everyone and their brother in law was out there. Look at the lake today.
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Brandon got it.....
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Any idea what their motivation to stop commercial fishing was? Scientific or political?
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05-24-2015, 07:38 PM
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Any idea what their motivation to stop commercial fishing was? Scientific or political?
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Defiantly political.
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05-24-2015, 07:44 PM
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Fish kept in 1985, over 11 million, fish kept in 2005, under 2 million.
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Where are these numbers coming from?
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Where are these numbers coming from?
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http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/csi12823/$FILE/Volume-I-Fishing-Impacts-May-11.pdf
Average # of retained fish per angler, 1975, 24 fish, 1985, 37 fish 2005, 9 fish. Fewer anglers and less retention. Failed system.
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05-24-2015, 07:55 PM
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Cold Lake = 3 Walleye limit, no tags. Go get em. Stop complaining. Lots of fish in this province and plenty of lakes to keep fish from. They just shut down commercial net fishing in the last year. In a few years I've got my fingers crossed that they might allow more retention. Who knows though. I kind of enjoy going to catch and release lakes where you can catch plenty 6-8 pound walleye. No matter what they do someone will complain.
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And no matter what they do some will say they are right !
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05-24-2015, 08:57 PM
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Fish kept in 1985, over 11 million, fish kept in 2005, under 2 million.
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You do realize that there were fisheries collapsing from the 80's. Hmmmm.
My take is that it is getting better.
Best thing they can do down south here is reduce the limits some more.
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i think the fishing in the last 5 years has been better than ever
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You do realize that there were fisheries collapsing from the 80's. Hmmmm.
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35yrs to fix them, so far it's not working. So keep up the good work right? It's bound to work someday. Wrong.
If a slot size was introduced 35yrs ago I wonder where our fishery would be today? I'd be willing to bet everything I got it would be in a hell of a lot better shape than it is today!
If walleye was open to a slot size province wide, don't you think there would be a higher amount of anglers at the lakes that held a higher population of walleye? In effect giving lakes with lower numbers a break naturally?
Once pinehurst, beaver, lac la biche, Wolf,(to name a few) were shut down, the pressure really hit calling. If there were to be a slot size with lower retention numbers on these lakes, calling lake would still be thriving. Instead ESRD is killing Albertans lakes one lake at a time.
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05-24-2015, 09:12 PM
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i think the fishing in the last 5 years has been better than ever
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The fishing is great ! So why do they keep saying the fisheries are collapsed, thus resulting in more closures ?
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05-24-2015, 09:16 PM
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If you believe what you just wrote, it's just because you have no clue what a good management system can do. You think they are doing a good job with the money we pay for our licenses??? Imagine if the money actually went towards fish MANAGEMENT?
Im glad the fishing is good where you live, enjoy it while you can. With more prohibition you're going to see more unfamiliar faces in your favorite hole, it's just a matter of time. Then you're going to be singing a different tune
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Please enlighten me/us.
If you knew anything about me you would know that I think and have said on here that more money should go into it.
And just because you buy a fishing licence doesnt entitle you to loads of fish to take home. It does allow you to fish, have fun doing it and keep fish where and when possible!
Can some things be better - always room for improvement!
But if you think you should be entitled to load up on fish...... Think again!
Management stategies are changing. Not going fast enough for some I guess.
Wont mention fishing pressure or small amounts of water bodies in AB.
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The fishing is great ! So why do they keep saying the fisheries are collapsed, thus resulting in more closures ?
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maybe the walleye has collapsed, but other species are thriving
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05-24-2015, 09:21 PM
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35yrs to fix them, so far it's not working. So keep up the good work right? It's bound to work someday. Wrong.
If a slot size was introduced 35yrs ago I wonder where our fishery would be today? I'd be willing to bet everything I got it would be in a hell of a lot better shape than it is today!
If walleye was open to a slot size province wide, don't you think there would be a higher amount of anglers at the lakes that held a higher population of walleye? In effect giving lakes with lower numbers a break naturally?
Once pinehurst, beaver, lac la biche, Wolf,(to name a few) were shut down, the pressure really hit calling. If there were to be a slot size with lower retention numbers on these lakes, calling lake would still be thriving. Instead ESRD is killing Albertans lakes one lake at a time.
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Thought slot size would come up.
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Fisheries are coming along nicely.
No complaints here.
Slot size, I concur with huntsfurfish.
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The fishing is great ! So why do they keep saying the fisheries are collapsed, thus resulting in more closures ?
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Strange how it seems to be reservoirs closest to Calgary
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http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/csi12823/$FILE/Volume-I-Fishing-Impacts-May-11.pdf
Average # of retained fish per angler, 1975, 24 fish, 1985, 37 fish 2005, 9 fish. Fewer anglers and less retention. Failed system.
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I think it is also important to note that up until the mid 80's trout was the preferred species, pike second and then walleye/whitefish in the central and south part of the province, where a huge majority of the population lives. Also important a lot, if not all of the trout fisheries can be fished from shore. Trout stocking is relatively cheap and stocking survival rates are high.
Sometime during the late 80's walleye became the preferred species. They are very slow to mature, stocking survival rates at least back then were very low, less than 5 % and expensive. No walleye at all were stocked in Alberta from 1999 to 2006 and then only in one lake, I think now they maybe stock 3?
Check Sk. stocking program, even though they have many more lakes, and a much smaller population, less revenue, you will see what commitment to maintaining fisheries looks like.
Trout stocking is still relatively cheap, stocking survival rates are high, walleye survival rates are low, and still expensive. The last year I sat on the fisheries roundtable committee the province spent 6.2 million on trout stocking and 200k on walleye stocking, yet openly admitted walleye was still the number one species. When I asked the fisheries rep, why this was, his response was.........that's a good question.
I will agree with what others have said, that some of our walleye fisheries are recovering, and some pretty well..............but it has taken almost 20 years of closures to achieve that . Closures are not fisheries management, what they are is a cheap way to reduce harvest, and with very little to almost no enforcement, this just compounded the problem.
None of this changes the fact that ESRD has not done a very poor of fisheries management, walleye stocking is expensive, trout are not, and can be stocked in a lot more bodies of water........it still comes down to money.
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Please enlighten me/us.
If you knew anything about me you would know that I think and have said on here that more money should go into it.
And just because you buy a fishing licence doesnt entitle you to loads of fish to take home. It does allow you to fish, have fun doing it and keep fish where and when possible!
Can some things be better - always room for improvement!
But if you think you should be entitled to load up on fish...... Think again!
Management stategies are changing. Not going fast enough for some I guess.
Wont mention fishing pressure or small amounts of water bodies in AB.
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You asked me to please enlighten you/us, on what exactly do you want me to enlighten you on?
Not changing fast enough? Lol, more like going backwards for the last decade or so.
Did you happen to look at the stats I posted? 1985 we had more anglers in Alberta than in 2005. Fewer anglers = less fishing pressure. More lakes closed to fishing = too much fishing pressure on lakes that are open. In effect destroying otherwise healthy fisheries. Hundreds of lakes in Alberta hold numbers that would handle fish retention of a slot size and remain healthy fisheries, yet it's not an option.
Enlighten me/us, what would you suggest happens in Alberta to create a healthy fishery?
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You asked me to please enlighten you/us, on what exactly do you want me to enlighten you on?
Not changing fast enough? Lol, more like going backwards for the last decade or so.
Did you happen to look at the stats I posted? 1985 we had more anglers in Alberta than in 2005. Fewer anglers = less fishing pressure. More lakes closed to fishing = too much fishing pressure on lakes that are open. In effect destroying otherwise healthy fisheries. Hundreds of lakes in Alberta hold numbers that would handle fish retention of a slot size and remain healthy fisheries, yet it's not an option.
Enlighten me/us, what would you suggest happens in Alberta to create a healthy fishery?
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Why just 85 and 2005?
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I apologize for what happened from 1900 to 2005. lol
I think they have been changing in the last 5-10 years. But I guess that is just me thinking that.
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maybe the walleye has collapsed, but other species are thriving
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Nope ! Walleye are numerous, pike are the new closures on southern lakes because of zero retention on walleyes people are eating the pike, every time they close one lake it puts more pressure on other lakes. The faster you close lakes to retention, the faster another lake gets more pressure resulting in more closures. No matter how you look at it some people want to eat the fish they catch, and don't say eat a rainbow from a dugout please, but ESRD must come up with a different solution to this problem ! How many zero retentions do you need to be convinced there is a problem. My solution is to build a hatchery that is for other species than trout and stock lakes on a annual or semi annual basis of a equal amount of fish the hatchery can produce instead of putting 15 million in one lake and none anywhere else then close the lake. This province has the $ and seems to just keep ignoring this issue.
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Nope ! Walleye are numerous, pike are the new closures on southern lakes because of zero retention on walleyes people are eating the pike, every time they close one lake it puts more pressure on other lakes. The faster you close lakes to retention, the faster another lake gets more pressure resulting in more closures. No matter how you look at it some people want to eat the fish they catch, and don't say eat a rainbow from a dugout please, but ESRD must come up with a different solution to this problem ! How many zero retentions do you need to be convinced there is a problem. My solution is to build a hatchery that is for other species than trout and stock lakes on a annual or semi annual basis of a equal amount of fish the hatchery can produce instead of putting 15 million in one lake and none anywhere else then close the lake. This province has the $ and seems to just keep ignoring this issue.
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There will be lots of whitefish now. And carp.
ps: Stocking isnt necessarily the solution to all our problems either.
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I apologize for what happened from 1900 to 2005. lol
I think they have been changing in the last 5-10 years. But I guess that is just me thinking that.
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You asked to be enlighten, but haven't stated what you need enlightenment on? Also, I asked what you think would work and I got no answer.
What has happened in the last 5-10 years that is so good???
Other than putting a stop to commercial fishing?
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Why just 85 and 2005?
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It just happened to be what came up
When I was looking for stats. 1975-2005. I just picked out some of the more interesting facts from the stats. 1985 had the highest number of anglers recorded in Alberta.
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You asked to be enlighten, but haven't stated what you need enlightenment on? Also, I asked what you think would work and I got no answer.
What has happened in the last 5-10 years that is so good???
Other than putting a stop to commercial fishing?
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Fishing in the area I live(South). Is better than it has ever been. Especially in the last 10 years.
Kurt, what are you looking for and expecting? It is not an easy fix to please everyone. I am close to good fishing for most species, but do not live close to a million other people.
Unless there is a huge influx of money, you will not be able to keep alot of fish in AB. And even then I doubt you will be able to keep much. If good fishing is measured by you keeping lots of fish, well it aint going to happen.
Are the lakes up there collapsed or just being protected from collapse?
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By the way, I think almost all of the money from fishing licenses goes to the ACA, not the government coffers.
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Im in Edmonton fish quite a bit never have problem putting fish on the table ....three hour drive you can have all you need no tags . If you don't think you are getting your moneys worth fish in a different province. Before the summer is over I will need to buy 2 maybe 3 more licences not because there is no fishing in Alberta but because of what I fish for.
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It just happened to be what came up
When I was looking for stats. 1975-2005. I just picked out some of the more interesting facts from the stats. 1985 had the highest number of anglers recorded in Alberta.
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And just so happens in 85 ish was about when fisheries collapsed in AB.
More seniors in the last 10 years than ever before and growing.
More poaching now than ever before.
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And just so happens in 85 ish was about when fisheries collapsed in AB.
More seniors in the last 10 years than ever before and growing.
More poaching now than ever before.
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yep, many populations crashed in the 80's . Lots of kids and seniors last few years, and poachers, i agree on that
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