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And just so happens in 85 ish was about when fisheries collapsed in AB.
More seniors in the last 10 years than ever before and growing.
More poaching now than ever before.
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Just curious in what area you are talking about, I fished quite a few lakes between 85-90 and at that time in the central and north areas fishing was very good, started to slow down quite a bit from 90 on and in 95 was when some of the closures started.
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And just so happens in 85 ish was about when fisheries collapsed in AB.
More seniors in the last 10 years than ever before and growing.
More poaching now than ever before.
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Where can I find the stats on collapsed fisheries in Alberta? I'm having a hard time finding the numbers and dates.
More poaching now than ever, could it be because Alberta anglers are not allowed to retain fish even from healthy fisheries?
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05-25-2015, 08:16 AM
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Where can I find the stats on collapsed fisheries in Alberta? I'm having a hard time finding the numbers and dates.
More poaching now than ever, could it be because Alberta anglers are not allowed to retain fish even from healthy fisheries?
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Or it could be there is more anglers. Meaning more anglers with decaying morals. Or more more angers that can't or won't read the regs.
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05-25-2015, 08:41 AM
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Just curious in what area you are talking about, I fished quite a few lakes between 85-90 and at that time in the central and north areas fishing was very good, started to slow down quite a bit from 90 on and in 95 was when some of the closures started.
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Sorry yes it was 90 to 95(old age), but it did not collapse over night. Fishing I think started to change in the mid to late 80's.
Southern reservoirs-16" size limits for Walleye.
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Where can I find the stats on collapsed fisheries in Alberta? I'm having a hard time finding the numbers and dates.
More poaching now than ever, could it be because Alberta anglers are not allowed to retain fish even from healthy fisheries?
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So the answer is to let them keep them so they dont poach? 
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Or it could be there is more anglers. Meaning more anglers with decaying morals. Or more more angers that can't or won't read the regs.
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In 2014 there was just over 266,000 anglers in Alberta, that's about 80,000 less than in 1985. The more I look into this, the more I think the increased angling pressure argument is a myth. Since 2005 the number of anglers in Alberta has fluctuated from 211,000 to 268,000. Over 28% of the money collected from our fishing licenses goes directly to the federal government, that's in the link I provided. Also I read that sport fishing in Alberta generates about $440,000,000 annually to our economy. I'm sure if the government cared about our fisheries they could put a couple bucks aside for a walleye hatchery program.
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I should have put this in with post 61.
Something that is often overlooked is the numbers of good fishermen/women.
In the age of the intenet, word travels fast. From that hot little lake, to info on how to catch fish. Things that took years to figure out/learn can be had overnight.
Way more boats now than years ago. Way better boats now than years ago.
Better and more fishing gear.
Unbelievable technology in the form of electronics. Fish finders that see 300' to either side of the boat(side scan sonar), down scan sonar, chirp sonar and even regular 2d sonar. Then you have GPS, and lake maps plus now you can chart your own lake. Not to mention underwater cameras.
All this helps you catch fish. Most of this wasnt available 20 years ago!
Stop blaming everyone and everything else! We take lots of fish!
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So the answer is to let them keep them so they dont poach? |
No, cut their hands off. 
I'm not trying to come up with a solution to poaching, I'm just pointing out a possible motive behind it.
What's your plan? You seem to think I'm way off on this, but you haven't brought any information up other than the lakes collapsed in 1985ish, something I can't verify.
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In 2014 there was just over 266,000 anglers in Alberta, that's about 80,000 less than in 1985. The more I look into this, the more I think the increased angling pressure argument is a myth. Since 2005 the number of anglers in Alberta has fluctuated from 211,000 to 268,000. Over 28% of the money collected from our fishing licenses goes directly to the federal government, that's in the link I provided. Also I read that sport fishing in Alberta generates about $440,000,000 annually to our economy. I'm sure if the government cared about our fisheries they could put a couple bucks aside for a walleye hatchery program.
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You ever stop to consider that some of the drop could be related to people becoming a senior and no longer needing a license!
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No, cut their hands off.
I'm not trying to come up with a solution to poaching, I'm just pointing out a possible motive behind it.
What's your plan? You seem to think I'm way off on this, but you haven't brought any information up other than the lakes collapsed in 1985ish, something I can't verify. |
I was wrong about the lakes collapse in 85.
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I should have put this in with post 61.
Something that is often overlooked is the numbers of good fishermen/women.
In the age of the intenet, word travels fast. From that hot little lake, to info on how to catch fish. Things that took years to figure out/learn can be had overnight.
Way more boats now than years ago. Way better boats now than years ago.
Better and more fishing gear.
Unbelievable technology in the form of electronics. Fish finders that see 300' to either side of the boat(side scan sonar), down scan sonar, chirp sonar and even regular 2d sonar. Then you have GPS, and lake maps plus now you can chart your own lake. Not to mention underwater cameras.
All this helps you catch fish. Most of this wasnt available 20 years ago!
Stop blaming everyone and everything else! We take lots of fish!
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Look at the stats I provided!
There are less anglers retaining less fish, it doesn't matter if they are trolling out of their space ship using light sabres converted into fishing rods.
Who am I blaming? Who is everyone and everything, and who is the we that is taking lots of fish? Do you work for ESRD? You sure seem upset that I think they're doing a terrible job at management.
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In 2014 there was just over 266,000 anglers in Alberta, that's about 80,000 less than in 1985. The more I look into this, the more I think the increased angling pressure argument is a myth. Since 2005 the number of anglers in Alberta has fluctuated from 211,000 to 268,000. Over 28% of the money collected from our fishing licenses goes directly to the federal government, that's in the link I provided. Also I read that sport fishing in Alberta generates about $440,000,000 annually to our economy. I'm sure if the government cared about our fisheries they could put a couple bucks aside for a walleye hatchery program.
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people are now complaining there is to many walleye. And it is not productive to stock if good recruitment is already there.
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What about targeting lake whitefish in the winter and summer if you want to eat fish? Their numbers and sizes are very good and with the commercial fishing gone now the whitefish should be filling a void for many fisherman who want to eat fish. If anyone was interested in trying out fly fishing the whites would be a great target for that too.
I have also read many times in this thread where people are coming to conclusions on the size of fish in a water body they are fishing by what they catch. I would not think that would be a very good sampling as most people catch fish on the hooks they like, depths they believe the fish to be in etc.
Most fisherman opinions are unwavering but the results would not be very scientific and it would be interesting to hear from one of the biologists that do this to see how they determine the sizes in a water body. It is very near sighted slaying bio's results with out actually having factual information that they are forced/or have available for use. We are always looking for better results and it is very easy to find fault and point fingers but I think Alberta does have some fantastic fishing available too.
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You ever stop to consider that some of the drop could be related to people becoming a senior and no longer needing a license!
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Are you suggesting seniors never fished in 1985?
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05-25-2015, 09:15 AM
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people are now complaining there is to many walleye. And it is not productive to stock if good recruitment is already there.
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So why is it closed for retention. Someone is talking out of both sides of their mouth.
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Strange how it seems to be reservoirs closest to Calgary |
caught 28 pike at Badger yesterday,,,,nothing legal though. used to be the best big fish lake in the province 15 years ago
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Look at the stats I provided!
There are less anglers retaining less fish, it doesn't matter if they are trolling out of their space ship using light sabres converted into fishing rods.
Who am I blaming? Who is everyone and everything, and who is the we that is taking lots of fish? Do you work for ESRD? You sure seem upset that I think they're doing a terrible job at management.
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Im just saying I dont think they are doing a terrible job. I have a different view than you. Dont work, retired. 
Good luck fishin and remember to put em back.
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caught 28 pike at Badger yesterday,,,,nothing legal though. used to be the best big fish lake in the province 15 years ago
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see post 69
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So why is it closed for retention. Someone is talking out of both sides of their mouth.
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